Hello, I have just joined the list and am looking for James Hall, Father of Lily Hall. Lily was from Milford Haven Pembs. Lily married a William Collins from Bristol. On the 1881 census they appear in 7 Russell St Cardiff with a 5 month old son William Collins( my grand father) I think I am needing the 1851 census which I have but I can't find any thing can any one help? Liz

Hello everyone, I am stuck with my PEM. Families around 1790's. I have the marriage of Henry DAVIES b c 1794/5 to Ann GRIFFITH b. 1795-97 on 16 Dec. 1817. They had one son born John1817or1818. Would anyone have access to Fishguard records please? Could Henry's father (possibly a John) be found? Or Ann's parents? Otherwise, do you have any advice for me to go about these early dates? John eventually moved to Llanelli after his marriage to Ann Harries daughter of mariner William HARRIES b. 1793 and Margaret Meyler who married on May3rd 1814. All lived in Fishguard. I know gerry, that you have helped me in the past with 1841 census but are there any church records of Fishguard available? Later the Davies family seem to be Baptist. all for now, Jane (Davies) Buttery in Ontario

on 18/4/01 1:06 am, Robert Gagnon at robert.gagnon@home.com wrote: > I am looking for Watts family contacts in Wales. > > Thank you > Robert Hi Robert I have no WATTS connections, but my advice is that a bit more information from you - dates, area(s) the family came from and forenames - will then give others a better chance of helping you. Gerry Lewis

Subject: Re: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] WATTS Family Hello Robert, I have a Mr. John Watt of Summit Hill, PA., Carbon County, who married Sarah Haldeman-Stahler of Summit Hill, 1877 (second marriage). Sarah was first married to David Stahler in 1857 at 16 years of age, but David was captured in the Civil War and died of starvation at Andersonville Prison, Georgia. It is my understanding that John Watt was born (1847) on board ship enroute from Ireland. I believe his mother was Margaret Sterling-Watt and she was born in Scotland. Since Scotland and Wales are neighboring countries I'm wondering if Mr. Watt of Pennsylvania might be one of your ancestors. I have recently sent for his Civil War Pension File, although he is not a direct descendant of mine, because I wanted to learn more about Sarah Haldeman-Stahler-Watt. Have a chat with me if you're interested. Ever, Ann of Central Virginia. From: Gerry <gerry@asterisk.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] WATTS Family > robert.gagnon@home.com wrote: I am looking for Watts family contacts in Wales.

I am looking for Watts family contacts in Wales. Thank you Robert

Since my last message I have had NO mails from anyone across three lists advising the requested originator details of a virus laden message. Only one of those seven I received personally subscribes to the Dyfed list [not the other two], I have unsubscribed that lister . So on this evidence only one subscriber to these three lists is infected. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

I have a letter from Charlotte THOMAS dated April 7, 1875 and listing her address as: 6 Llanion Cottages Near Pembroke It is written to "my dear and only sister", Hannah PARSELL. Is anyone tracking or interested in these Pembrokeshire families? Thanks, Elida in USA

I have a letter from Charlotte THOMAS dated April 7, 1875 and listing her address as: 6 Llanion Cottages Near Pembroke It is written to "my dear and only sister", Hannah PARSELL. Is anyone tracking or interested in these Pembrokeshire families? Thanks, Elida in USA

I'm late logging on today, unfortunately the rootsweb lists are awash with this virus subject. I have had 7 such mails myself, all with attachments,which I *never* open unless expected. They all appeared to be replying to my list message re the Lookup Exchange/Help Page, but see below. The virus is called W32/Badtrans-A - Details of the virus from www.sophos.co.uk W32/Badtrans-A is a worm which uses MAPI to spread. The worm arrives in an email message with the text "Take a look to the attachment" It includes an attachment filename which is randomly chosen from a list The infected computer sends an email in reply to any message received - *including List mail*. So if one of our list subscribers is infected, then a reply will be sent to the email address of *anyone posting to the list * ** How to recognise the W32/Badtrans-A virus ** If you receive a reply to a _Dyfed/CGN/PEM List_ message which contains several lines from your original message followed by this phrase: -Take a look to the attachment *What to do*; 1) Do not **under any circumstances** open the attachment 2) Send me a message at tirbach@clara.co.uk with *just* the email address of the sender in the *subject line* together with Dyfed/CGN or PEM to tell me which list it is, I *won't* read the body of the message so please don't give me chapter and verse, or expect a reply. 3) Delete the message I will immediately unsubscribe from the lists the addresses *originating* an infected message. I will tell the listers concerned what is happening and why, and that they mustn't re subscribe until they are 100% sure they have effectively cleaned their computer. Bear in mind, it is NOT their fault, and they may not know they are infected until someone tells them. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

Please note that I am just about finished switching this site to a new isp, both sites now exist . The new gateway urls are below my name, with my new email adress. I will be running the freeserve site/address on for a while yet but suggest you bookmark the new ones. In this process I had to change some file names, the HelpPage~pearls [NEKT]pages in particular have had to lose the ~ character, just in case anyone has individual pages bookmarked. Anyone finds any links not working, please let me know, there has been quite an upheaval :-) Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

Hello listers, Happy Easter! I am so grateful that Rootsweb has seen fit to establish mailing lists for individual counties in Wales. Thank you, Rootsweb, for giving us Pembrokeshire-L and to Gareth for his great job in administering the list! A couple years ago I tried the DYFED-L for a while - it was a yeoman's task to attempt to coordinate names and places with my old letters from Pembrokeshire, sorting through areas not connected and with similar surnames, probably, again, not connected. I've having better luck now, zeroing in on some items specific to Pembrokeshire. Here are few details firmly connecting the PARSELL, GEORGE, and POWELL families. In a letter dated Nov 8, 1915 from a Sarah GEORGE to my greatgrandmother Hannah PARSELL POWELL of Pennsylvania Sarah signs the letter as "niece" and requests that mail be sent to: Mrs. A. T. George Bellvue House 23 Park st. Pembroke Dock, Sth Wales Sarah states that her aunt Hannah PARSELL POWELL was born May 31, 1837, Hannah's sister Charlotte was 5 yrs. and 5 months older, and that their father, George PARSELL, had died Oct. 14, 1836. Sarsh identifies herself as a daughter of Charlotte PARSELL, states her father (Sarah's) died 18 years earlier, she has a brother, Jack, and a younger sister, Beatrice, who lives at home and cares for the bedridden mother, Charlotte. Sarah speaks of the recent death of her Uncle George in Saundersfoot who was only ill a week - they could not attend his funeral because the train on Sunday only ran as far as Tenby. They went the next week and found that Polly had been home there from South Africa for 12 months for the benefit of her little daughter's health, but Polly felt she could not return to her husband in South Africa owing to the submarines in the water. Sarah GEORGE mentions another relative named Bessie (daughter of a Hannah - maybe a daughter of the deceased George PARSELL?). Sarah then continues that the Zeppelins have not come near them since they are too far from the North East Coast. Another letter, dated Jan. 3, 1911 - Sarah writes that her Cousin Sarah had taken the same old name that she had discarded, THOMAS. She writes of Lottie and her husband having come home over Xmas from Scotland. Sarsh states that Uncle George PARSELL belongs to the Independent or Congregationalist while the rest of them are all Baptists. Sarah's husband, Alfred, is the Finance Director of the Eisteddfod, her brother is the musical Director and the Choirmaster in their Chapel. He was organist for ten years, then Lottie (sister?) took over the playing. Sarah mentions another brother, Willie, and a sister Annie. She signs off as S. J. George. In an later letter from the same address, dated Jan. 26, 1911, Sarah identifies her husband as being named Alfred, that her Uncle George still lives in the same house as when Hannah PARSELL POWELL left, Bessie is married to Bertie BEDDOE, one of a family of butchers in the village, they moved into Uncle George's old home to care for him. There is a young George, a son, who had a leg problem when young - his mother allowed the splints to be removed and the boy's leg failed to develop normally - he walks with a crutch and is a shoemaker or cobbler by trade. Hope this information is of use to some of our fellow listers! I seem to remember someone posting a query lately about a shoemaker named POWELL. Good luck, Elida in South Carolina, USA

Has anyone come across George Beynon 1870-1933, at Pembroke Dock, Pembrokeshire.

Jane, Many thanks for these explanations. Elida in SC, USA Researching: PARSELL & POWELL prior to 1870 in St. Issell's Parish, Pembrokeshire. ----- Original Message ----- From: "buttery" <bbuttery@mnsi.net> To: "Elida" <elida@signature.cc>; <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Non-genealogy - Definition? > > Gerry Lewis said (I'm) a Welshman with a British passport living in England . > > Elida, you understood:- Interesting that a Welshman would need a > Britishpassport to live in England - that's beyond my comprehension. I go > intoCanada and Mexico with nothing but my resident state's drivers license. > Elida , he was just making a joke as well as stating a fact. I am Welsh and > live in Canada. I did NOT need a British passport just to travel around in UK . > It is just that ALL residents get the same passport to go outside UK to europe > etc. I have had a Canadian passport but am returning to UK one as it is issued > for 10years and my husband always uses his. Our children use their own now so we > want to be together in line!In fact when I went to UK I would never have my > passport stamped as I was always considered British. The EU is useful in Europe > too now. > In Canada we buy petrol(gas) in litres, milk in litres and everything is priced > that way as the government insists. It is just that pound prices are given as > well! It is also a better system as it is based on"10" not 12 , 3 feet or 1,760 > yards etc.It is more consistent. Scientists world wide has used it for hundreds > of years. We have legally had it in Canada for about 30 years now. > Hope this explains the metric matter for you > Jane (Davies) Buttery- near Detroit ( a French name) > PS All early concession were laid out metrically round here by the French Our > road 3 is exactly 1 km from road 4. Narrow river lots are based on it too!! >

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Hi Elida Me again! Don't take too seriously what John says. My parents always joked that you needed a Welsh passport to get from England into Wales. You could go the other way with no problem. This links to the intense rivalry between the Welsh and the English. The idea of the passport was to stop the 'unwanted' English getting into Wales! It is, of course, only a joke. However, if you want some idea of the passion and rivalry between the English and Welsh you should go to the National Stadium when Wales play England at rugby union. The singing of the Welsh national anthem will make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up! I have experienced nothing like it. Regards Anthony :-) > ============= >John wrote: > Hi Elida, > > I don't know where you got the idea that a Welsh person needs a passport > to live in England. The idea is complete nonsense! :o) > One only needs a passport if one travels outside the United Kingdom. > Many people don't ever bother to apply for a passport, and never need > one. They can move freely anywhere in the UK. > > Hopefully, it won't be too long before we can travel anywhere in the > European Union without needing a passport. > > Kind regards, > > John > ---------------------------------- > John Ball, South Wales, UK > E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk > Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm > > > --- > This message is certified virus-free by AVG > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 11/04/2001 > >

> Gerry Lewis said (I'm) a Welshman with a British passport living in England . Elida, you understood:- Interesting that a Welshman would need a Britishpassport to live in England - that's beyond my comprehension. I go intoCanada and Mexico with nothing but my resident state's drivers license. Elida , he was just making a joke as well as stating a fact. I am Welsh and live in Canada. I did NOT need a British passport just to travel around in UK . It is just that ALL residents get the same passport to go outside UK to europe etc. I have had a Canadian passport but am returning to UK one as it is issued for 10years and my husband always uses his. Our children use their own now so we want to be together in line!In fact when I went to UK I would never have my passport stamped as I was always considered British. The EU is useful in Europe too now. In Canada we buy petrol(gas) in litres, milk in litres and everything is priced that way as the government insists. It is just that pound prices are given as well! It is also a better system as it is based on"10" not 12 , 3 feet or 1,760 yards etc.It is more consistent. Scientists world wide has used it for hundreds of years. We have legally had it in Canada for about 30 years now. Hope this explains the metric matter for you Jane (Davies) Buttery- near Detroit ( a French name) PS All early concession were laid out metrically round here by the French Our road 3 is exactly 1 km from road 4. Narrow river lots are based on it too!!

John, Good to know - I must have misinterpreted what another lister said about passports. Glad you guys will soon be able to travel easily between the 15 (?) countries who are members of the EU. Elida in South Carolina, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <wfha@clara.co.uk> To: "Elida" <elida@signature.cc>; <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Non-genealogy - Definition? > Elida <elida@signature.cc> wrote: > Interesting that a Welshman would need a British passport to live in > England - that's beyond my comprehension. I go into > Canada and Mexico with nothing but my resident state's drivers license. > ============= > > Hi Elida, > > I don't know where you got the idea that a Welsh person needs a passport > to live in England. The idea is complete nonsense! :o) > One only needs a passport if one travels outside the United Kingdom. > Many people don't ever bother to apply for a passport, and never need > one. They can move freely anywhere in the UK. > > Hopefully, it won't be too long before we can travel anywhere in the > European Union without needing a passport. > > Kind regards, > > John > ---------------------------------- > John Ball, South Wales, UK > E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk > Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm > > > --- > This message is certified virus-free by AVG > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 11/04/2001 >

Elida <elida@signature.cc> wrote: Interesting that a Welshman would need a British passport to live in England - that's beyond my comprehension. I go into Canada and Mexico with nothing but my resident state's drivers license. ============= Hi Elida, I don't know where you got the idea that a Welsh person needs a passport to live in England. The idea is complete nonsense! :o) One only needs a passport if one travels outside the United Kingdom. Many people don't ever bother to apply for a passport, and never need one. They can move freely anywhere in the UK. Hopefully, it won't be too long before we can travel anywhere in the European Union without needing a passport. Kind regards, John ---------------------------------- John Ball, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm --- This message is certified virus-free by AVG Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 11/04/2001

Gerry, I still think of Britain as including Scotland, Wales, Ireland (the whole place), and England. Interesting that a Welshman would need a British passport to live in England - that's beyond my comprehension. I go into Canada and Mexico with nothing but my resident state's drivers license. This EU is also interesting - ran a search on the web and the EU seems to have begun from persons involved with the coal and steel industry. In the US jam is pulverized preserves, while jelly is strained through cheesecloth to produce a clear liquid. That's some of my Pennsylvania Dutch and German heritage showing up there! We still use rods, poles, and perches - especially in genealogy. Saw a photo in my local paper yesterday of a fellow measuring his footsteps for tree-planting placement. Quite practical if not exact! Thanks for your interest, Gerry Elida in South Carolina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry" <gerry@asterisk.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Non-genealogy - Definition? > on 10/4/01 7:04 pm, Elida at elida@signature.cc wrote: > > > Hi listers, > > I live in the USA. Now and then I read a little of the "London Times" > > on-line. Today there is an interesting article about a grocer who got in > > trouble for selling bananas by the pound. > > > > I tried a search for the EU (European Union) on google.com and am more > > confused about the EU - they have an office in my Washington, DC, USA. Would > > this be like an ambassador's office? > > > > I don't mean to offend anyone by my questions, but is the term "Great Britian" > > no longer to be used? If I can still refer to Great Britian, what is it now? > > > > What is the "United Kingdom". Is this the term which has replaced the use of > > "Great Britian"? > > > > I notice when my Public Broadcasting TV has a cooking show from England the > > recipes are not in metric system quantities. Are most cookbooks in England > > and Wales using metric system amounts? If not, why did the grocer do wrong by > > selling bananas by the pound? > > > > The average American citizen has firmly refused the use of metric system > > measurements - me included. > > > > Elida in South Carolina > > Hi Elida > > I don't know the answer to the EU question, except I think you're right > regarding it being like an ambassador's office. > > We Brits live in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, > and I'm not going to enter into any discussion about the latter place. > > We have been forced into using the metric system, but in the usual British > fashion it's a pig's ear - we can still buy "fresh" milk in pints, but > long-life milk is sold in litres. We can buy jam (US jelly) in pounds. > Nearly everything else is sold by metric weight. > > Draught beer in pubs is sold in pints. Bottled/canned beer in supermarkets > is sold in metric. > > Timber (lumber) is sold in metric lengths, but the cross sections are still > based on imperial - for example, 4 by 2 has become 100 (mm) by 50 (mm). > > I go into my local supermarket and ask for half a pound of cheddar cheese, > and they give me approximately 250 grammes in return. No problem. Most items > are priced per pound and per kilogramme. > > And of course, we still use miles when talking about distances. All road > signs show miles. My (German) car has a milometer/odometer that shows miles. > Is there anyone in the UK who says his/her car does so many litres of petrol > per 100 kilometres? I think not - we all say miles per gallon (UK gallon > that is, which is 1.20095 US gallons). > > I guess that when all us oldies who learned imperial at school have departed > there may be pressure for a total conversion to metric. > > Gerry Lewis - a Welshman with a British passport living in England - what am > I going to put on the census form in 2 weeks time? > > PS The allotment I rent from my local parish council for growing flowers and > vegetables is measured in (square) poles!! Also known as a (square) rod or > perch = 16.5 ft x 16.5 ft = 30.25 square yards = 25.2929 square metres. > > GL >

Not only are the measurements different, I'm not really sure what some of the ingredients are! I doubt that the USA citizenry will ever adopt the metric system countrywide. We're just too stubborn! Thanks for your ideas, Elida ----- Original Message ----- From: "legarthm" <legarthm@levin.pl.net> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Non-genealogy - Definition? > I always understood that the American measurement for cooking were different > from the U.K. measurements anyway. At least that was an excuse for baking > failures. > It may take a generation for people to finally accept metric, as it was > brought in to the schools, in New Zealand, that was when we all finally had > to change. The older people were the ones who found it difficult. Like > learning to use an auto money machine, it all becomes eventually so easy. > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elida" <elida@signature.cc> > To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:04 AM > Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Non-genealogy - Definition? > > > > Hi listers, > > I live in the USA. Now and then I read a little of the "London Times" > on-line. Today there is an interesting article about a grocer who got in > trouble for selling bananas by the pound. > > > > I tried a search for the EU (European Union) on google.com and am more > confused about the EU - they have an office in my Washington, DC, USA. > Would this be like an ambassador's office? > > > > I don't mean to offend anyone by my questions, but is the term "Great > Britian" no longer to be used? If I can still refer to Great Britian, what > is it now? > > > > What is the "United Kingdom". Is this the term which has replaced the use > of "Great Britian"? > > > > I notice when my Public Broadcasting TV has a cooking show from England > the recipes are not in metric system quantities. Are most cookbooks in > England and Wales using metric system amounts? If not, why did the grocer > do wrong by selling bananas by the pound? > > > > The average American citizen has firmly refused the use of metric system > measurements - me included. > > > > Elida in South Carolina > > > > > > > > > > > > >