Shirley, I have recently joined the PEM list and have been browsing the archives. Are you still puzzled about Benjamin Nicholas? I have a suggestion about that father Gwen Nicholas: how about Owen? I have been looking at some of the registers and a capital O is often written open, almost like a C or G as we would write them. Do you have a photocopy of that marriage certificate, or just a transcription? Have you found any of the family in 1881? - I can see Rhoda in the D&D school aged 9 in 1881. Hope some of this is helpful Bill G-J

Does anyone know anything about the Irish Ferry service circa 1840's? Also known as the Milford Haven & Waterford shipping service, ran by a Mr. Jackson of Neyland and his partner a Mr. Ford of London? Regards from Oz. Jan

Hi listers At long last I've got my 18,050 record database into Filemaker Pro format that I can use on my MAC. Infinitely better than the dBase III+ software on a 13 year old 680k memory (!) PC that were the previous vehicles for the information. I shall now start adding to the database when I have the time. If anyone has asked me any questions that have not been answered please ask again. Any new questions? Remember it's a FULL transcription. The list of parishes covered are: Ambleston Boulston Brawdy Camrose Castlebythe Fishguard Granston Haroldston West Hayscastle Henry's Moat Jordanston Lambston Letterston Little Newcastle Llandeloy Llanfair-nant-y-gof Llanhowell Llanllawer Llanreithan Llanrhian (includes village of Trevine) Llanstinan Llanwnda (includes village of Goodwick) Llanychaer Manorowen Mathry Nolton Pontfaen Prendergast (North) Puncheston Roch Rudbaxton St David's St Dogwells St Edrins St Elvis St Lawrence St Nicholas Spittal Treffgarne Wiston Uzmaston Walton East Whitchurch (includes village of Solva) and, further south St Ishmaels and half of Hubberston. Gerry Lewis

It is being circulated on other lists that lookups for other people on the NBI Cd are in breach of the licence agreement. The question is, are the Federation of Family History Societies [FFHS ], who publish it, wanting to be that rigid about it, we are after all well used to a much more relaxed attitude from most of our own FHSs regarding their separate publications. I know that the FFHS have a meeting this Saturday, the 16th, when the NBI and lookups subject is to be discussed. They will then issue a statement about it all. If they say they really do object to lookups then I will advise the lists and remove it from the LE. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

This is a periodic reminder of what the Lookup Exchange is all about. The concept is simple, volunteers [listers like you] own /have access to resource material and are prepared to do free lookups on that material. Each LE entry has the volunteer's email address noted next to it, you send your query to that address as per the onsite instructions. There are separate county pages for CMN, CGN, PEM & GLA. Each county page has sections for Parish records, censuses, Memorial Inscriptions, Other Sources, and Books. And links to the relevant FHS and Genuki sites. There is also the All Wales page which covers items not easily allocated to a single county page. Not to forget the One Name Database which as it implies contains material relating to particular surnames. Underpinning all this is my Help Page which contains general information, advice and links to more of the same as well as details of book Indexing and links to the "Not everyone knows this.." sites. I would ask you all to consider what material you have and check to see whether it is on the relevant page already, and if not, to offer it for lookups. Volunteering in this way is a most enjoyable aspect of net genealogy, give it a try if you don't already. If you do, then my sincere thanks. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

Hi, Those of you who have ancestors associated with the world of entertainment may be interested in my extraction project. The Wales and Monmouth Region extracts of the 'Entertainers on the 1881 Census' are now on my Web site. The URL for anyone interested is - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jassie Regards, Dave Jassie - List Administrator for - THEATRE-UK-L NIR-ARMAGH-L JASSIE-L list.admin@ntlworld.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jassie/ - THEATRE-UK Web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirarm/ - ARMAGH Web site Greetings from Lincoln, England

This request/suggestion comes with my Lookup Exchange co-ordinator hat on. Some recent lookups sent *direct* to LE volunteers have been *duplicated* to the lists within a day or so afterwards. Within this intervening period the volunteer may well have spent some time, hours often, dealing with the lookup only to see their efforts being duplicated onlist before they have had a chance to reply to the initial enquiry. Sod's law says that it is the experienced volunteer who often provides much more than a bare bones PR entry, for example, who is likely to be in this position . I would rather not lose *any* frustrated/disenchanted LE volunteers who are understandably not prepared to waste their time in this way just because a lister is impatient for results. Seems to me that pausing for, say, 3 days or so after approaching a volunteer direct, and before doing anything else about it onlist, would be a reasonable way forward. Needless to say the theoretical variant of asking 2 [or more] LE volunteers the same thing at exactly the same time is an abuse of the LE system. There aren't too many 'rules ' this is what each main LE page says. ####### The following is a list of reference works on [county name] which volunteers are willing to search for specific entries. To ask for a look-up, please click on the name by the reference. Requests should be specific: give as much detail as you can. Abuses of the kindness of these volunteers will probably cause them to withdraw their names so please don't ask for all references to a common name, or for time-consuming research. If there are two volunteers against any item then only one may be approached at a time unless no response within 7 days from the first email enquiry. ####### Thanks for listening Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

Fwd for Brian. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Comley" <brian@bcomley.freeserve.co.uk> To: <GLAMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 12:07 PM Subject: Archive CD Books Project > Just in case new Listers are not aware of Rod Neep's Archive CD Books > Project have a look at http://www.archivecdbooks.com > > The Archive CD Books Project exists to make reproductions of old books, > documents and maps available on CD to genealogists and historians, and to > co-operate with libraries, museums and record offices in providing money to > renovate old books in their collection. ACDB has now been up and running for > just over a twelve months. > > Essentially, the old books for the project are lent to Rod, and those doing > the lending gain something. Sometimes he buys books too, and they are > usually given away (to organisations who lend us books) when the project has > finished with them. > > The CD books are sold at a very reasonable price. Mostly GBP 8.50 (plus p&p > and VAT on sales within the UK) Folks like that. Funds from the proceeds of > CD sales buy more books for the project, or pay for books loaned by County > Record Offices, museums, local studies libraries, museums, etc. to be > renovated. > > People who purchase the CDs continue to be involved - because it is they who > volunteer to do the indexing of these books, and when completed, the indexes > are put up on the project web pages for anyone to download for free. > > Some of these books have been kindly lent to the project by various > individuals, some from County Record Offices, museums, family history > societies and libraries, and some which Rod has purchased. All of them are > old and rare. Many of those books which have been purchased from book > dealers (no matter how expensive they were) are subsequently given away to > one of the above organisations. > > The first batch of new CD books released this month from Archive CD Books... > some specialised, and some for *everyone* and includes. e.g. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > The Farmers' Almanac and Calendar for 1849 > > A must for those with farming ancestors. > The CD also contains images from the advertisements that you can use in > your own family history book, and which can be opened using any graphics > software. A fascinating insight into farming and farm life in the mid > 1800s. Farming methods, daily life, and what to be doing during each > month. GBP 8.50 (plus p&p and VAT on sales within the UK) > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Abstracts of PCC Wills - 1620 > Abstracts of PCC Wills - 1630 > Abstracts of PCC Wills - 1658 > > Abstracts of wills contain *all of the essential details* from the > wills, including names of beneficiaries, etc. Superb for identifying > families and relationships! Good complete indexes of every name > mentioned. (beneficiaries as well as the deceased). The book also shows > what you have to ask for to be able to order copies of the original > wills. > > PCC wills are wills proved in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. They > contain the wills of people from all over England and Wales! They are so > worth having, as even if your own ancestor didn't die in one of those > years, they may well be mentioned in the wills of those who did. It is > possible to build up two or three generations of a family in one go > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > There is a discussion forum for the Archive CD Books Project hosted by > Rootsweb, just like any of the normal Rootsweb mailing lists. Essentially it > is for discussion about the project; Very latest information and news about > latest projects; Latest news of CD production - and any delays; New releases > the day that they come out; Ideas for new CD books; Questions & Answers; > Support; You can either just read the messages to keep yourself updated with > what is happening, or join in with the discussions. > > How to Subscribe > > You can subscribe to your list in mail mode by sending a message to > CDBOOKS-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word subscribe and nothing > else. > > If you prefer digest mode (several messages in one e-mail), you should send > the subscribe command instead to CDBOOKS-D-request@rootsweb.com. > > Please do spread the news on the county mailing lists you belong to. Your > help in promoting the new CDs does make a difference to the Archive CD Books > Project. > > Brian B Comley > Porthcawl, Glamorgan (South Wales - UK) > email - brian@bcomley.freeserve.co.uk > > > ==== GLAMORGAN Mailing List ==== > Archive Repositories in Wales: > http://www.llgc.org.uk/cac/0023.htm > This Mailing List is Independent of all Family History Societies > > >

I have just added the following item to the Wales Genuki page. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ From; Shankland, Thomas[Rev].Sir John Philipps of Picton, the SPCK and the Charity School Movement in Wales 1699-1737. Transactions of the Honourable Society of Cymmrodorion, Session 1904-05. This is an alphabetical list of names, and the dates of foundation, of the Charity-Schools set up in Wales from 1699 to 1737, as reported in the Periodical Accounts of Charity Schools, issued by the Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, with additional extracts from the Minute Books and Correspondence of the Society. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

Hi All, My grandmother was born in Stepaside - 1897 Regards Kevin

Hi Gerry, There are indeed some strange Pembrokeshire place names, I have ancestors who have lived at Thimbles End, Addlegutter, and Clay Pits. I have found out that they are on the Castlemartin range, but one that I cannot find reference to anywhere is Peter's Finger. Does anyone know where this is? Sandra Davies -----Original Message----- From: Gerry [mailto:gerry@asterisk.co.uk] Sent: 05 June 2001 11:36 To: WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Odd Pembrokeshire Names I'm sure Richard James of the Carmarthen list won't mind me repeating this on the Pembrokeshire list: Reading Arthur Mee's Carmarthenshire Notes, I came across this list of Pembrokeshire names which I have to share: Black Tar, Buffalo, Cat's Nest, Donkey Hill, Earwig's Hill, Hook, Landshipping, Light-a-pipe, Leisure Lands, Old Oven, Plain Dealings, Sprinkle, Silence, Stepaside, Starvegoose, Toad's Groan, Two-penny Hay, Cuckoo Rock, Creature Hill, Cawquet or Cawkett, Thimbles End, Addlegutter, Starman's Hall, Castle Lady, Snipe's Castle, Cold Comfort, Cold Blow, Coxey, Gull's Nest, Penny Bank, Ancey's Down, Winter Pits, Clay Pits, Stembridge, Thrustle Mill, Stark Naked, Bull Well, Pater (Patter), Saissis Ford. I can add Stop-and-Call (Goodwick), Little Hare's Head and Big Hare's Head (Wiston parish) and also Tangiers (Prendergast parish) which seems a little out of place in Pembrokeshire. Gerry Lewis ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== Dyfed FHS http://www.westwales.co.uk/dfhs/dfhs.htm

You could in fact start at New York then Long Island before Tangiers,regards Tony Rogers

I'm sure Richard James of the Carmarthen list won't mind me repeating this on the Pembrokeshire list: Reading Arthur Mee's Carmarthenshire Notes, I came across this list of Pembrokeshire names which I have to share: Black Tar, Buffalo, Cat's Nest, Donkey Hill, Earwig's Hill, Hook, Landshipping, Light-a-pipe, Leisure Lands, Old Oven, Plain Dealings, Sprinkle, Silence, Stepaside, Starvegoose, Toad's Groan, Two-penny Hay, Cuckoo Rock, Creature Hill, Cawquet or Cawkett, Thimbles End, Addlegutter, Starman's Hall, Castle Lady, Snipe's Castle, Cold Comfort, Cold Blow, Coxey, Gull's Nest, Penny Bank, Ancey's Down, Winter Pits, Clay Pits, Stembridge, Thrustle Mill, Stark Naked, Bull Well, Pater (Patter), Saissis Ford. I can add Stop-and-Call (Goodwick), Little Hare's Head and Big Hare's Head (Wiston parish) and also Tangiers (Prendergast parish) which seems a little out of place in Pembrokeshire. Gerry Lewis

Alec Tritton <alec.tritton@one-name.org> (Vice-Chairman (Acting as Chairman), Federation of Family History Societies) has asked that this message below is circulated to gen lists. ########## Hi everyone I am putting this out to a number of lists so that everyone who has not yet received their ordered copy of the NBI is fully aware of the situation. Firstly I re-iterate my statement on behalf of the Federation and its publishing company that appeared on this list on 19th May "NATIONAL BURIAL INDEX If you've already placed an order which you haven't yet received, we apologise for the delay. The NBI has proved even more popular than we had anticipated and our FFHS Publications company have received almost 12,000 orders. You'll be glad to know that they've taken on additional staff to cope with the resultant backlog, and I trust that you'll receive your copy of the NBI very soon. Please note that they will not have cashed your cheque or debited your card payment until they have sent out your order. Thanks again for being so patient." UPDATE This evening have been in contact with the Bob Boyd, the Managing Director of Federation (Publications). Primarily because of the high demand, the publications Company have been out of stock for the past ten days. The latest batch were received into the Federation Warehouse today. I am assured that all the addressing of labels etc has already been completed and that all remaining orders should be despatched by Wednesday next week at the latest. It is then hoped that normal service will be resumed by the end of the week i.e new orders will be despatched within 24 hours. Once again I can only offer anyone who has not received their copy the apologies of the Federation and its Publishing Company for the delay. The product has been a lot more successful than anyone anticipated. The Publications staff at Bury have been working all hours trying to meet the outstanding orders. Please also remember that we are family historians who have volunteered our efforts to give something back to a hobby we all enjoy. There is always room for any individual who would also like to do the same. For example currently the Federation executive is looking for someone to take on the role of UK Liaison - if interested, please reply privately off list. Alec Tritton Vice-Chairman (Acting as Chairman) Federation of Family History Societies #################. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

Relevant to Pem and Cgn ################## Early education in Llanbedr[Lampeter] Sir Erasmus Philipps, father of Sir John Philipps, of Picton, played an important part in the affairs of the principality under the Commonwealth. He was a Commissioner under "The Act for the Better Propagation and Preaching of the Gospel in Wales[1650-3]" and under the Ordnances of August 1654. Sir Erasmus had a prominent share...in the first organised movement for Elementary Education in Wales on a national scale. His name often appears on the Orders of the Commissioners, here is an interesting example [with original spelling ] ; " By the Comrs for propagacon of the Gospell &c: Swansey 2 August 1652. "Llanbedr: Itt is ordered that a free Schoole be created and settled in the towne of Llanbeder in the County of Cardigan for the Educacon of Youthes in Englishe and Latine Tongue. And that the yearely summe of twenty poundes bee allowed for the keeping of the said freeschoole. And Mr Thos Evans is hereby authorised to keep the said Schoole and to receive the said stipend till the Comrs shall take further order therein, and Mr John Price Esqr Trear for South Wales is hereby enabled to pay and allow the said summe of twenty poundes, att such time and Seasons as the same shall grow due and payable, the first Quarter to commence the five and twentyeth of March last past. " "Rowland Dawkins, Erasmus Philipps, James Philipps, Sam. Lort, John Lewis, Jo. Browne, Jo. Daniell." [Lambeth MS 1006, p.56] [Sir John Phillips; The Society For Promoting Christian Knowledge; And The Charity School Movement In Wales, 1699-1737. By the Rev Thomas Shankland. Transactions of the Honourable Society of Cymmrodorion. Session 1904/5. Gareth Hicks 1 June 2001 D/C/P] #################### Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

on 29/5/01 7:35 pm, buttery at bbuttery@mnsi.net wrote: > Elida wrote: Please define -"Nonconformist" > > These are people who do not belong to the established Church of England. Some > examples would be Baptist, Methodist and Calvinist. Any independent churches > in > other words. Their records are harder to find. They were often buried in > cemetaries in 19thC called BOX cemetares too. > Hope this helps you > Regards, Jane > Hi Jane I'm sorry to disagree with you, but there is only ONE Box Cemetery and that is in a part of Llanelli (Carmarthenshire) called Box - hence its name. A very suitable name, nevertheless, for a cemetery! It was started by the nonconformists in Llanelli in the 1850s because the local Church of England vicars were refusing to allow nonconformist ministers to officiate at burials at the Old Cemetery which was known to local Welsh speakers as Mynwent y Crach (Graveyard of the Snobs). "Looking Around Llanelli with Harry Davies" edited by Gareth Hughes has a 2 page article called "The Origins of Box Cemetery" which explains the whole business in detail. Gerry Lewis

Thanks Gerry. You are right I just cited that cemetary as Pauline James told me that is where they would look in Llanelli for my relatives. I should not have generalised. Yours, Jane > I'm sorry to disagree with you, but there is only ONE Box Cemetery and that > is in a part of Llanelli (Carmarthenshire) called Box - hence its name. A > very suitable name, nevertheless, for a cemetery! > > It was started by the nonconformists in Llanelli in the 1850s because the > local Church of England vicars were refusing to allow nonconformist > ministers to officiate at burials at the Old Cemetery which was known to > local Welsh speakers as Mynwent y Crach (Graveyard of the Snobs). > > "Looking Around Llanelli with Harry Davies" edited by Gareth Hughes has a 2 > page article called "The Origins of Box Cemetery" which explains the whole > business in detail. > > Gerry Lewis > >

Hi. A religion other that the Church of England or Church of ales-( Episcopal). Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: Elida <elida@signature.cc> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Meyler > Please define - > > "Nonconformist" > > Thanks, > Elida in USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Joycozens@aol.com> > To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:14 AM > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Meyler > > > > Hi Jane > > > > One of the Meylers listed in Fishguard in the 1841 Census is a David > Meyler > > occupation "Minister of the Gospel". His daughers were named Eleazar and > > Martha and I think he is probably Nonconformist which is possibly why no > > Meyler baptisms appear on the IGI fiche or the Dyfed Baptsisms Index > > 1813-1837 for Pembrokeshire. > > > > As you know marriages of Nonconformists prior to 1837 had to take place in > a > > church which is why the following Meyler marriages, during this period, > have > > been recorded at Fishguard Parish Church > > > > 21 Oct 1813 William Harries=Anne Meyler M(inor) by Licence > > 3 May 1814 William Harries, Mariner=Margaret Meyler by Licence > > 12 Aug 1815 George Griffith, Excise Officer=Elizabeth Meyler by Licence > > 12 Nov 1818 John Williams, Mariner=Sophiah (sic) Meyler > > The above couple both made their marks > > > > From"The Parish Churches and Nonconformist Chapel of Wales" by Bert J. > > Rawlins the baptisms records for those chapels in the area whose records > > survive are shown as appearing on the IGI. However you may wish to check > > those registers which survive. Those recorded by the Public Record Office > > are on film which can be seen at Pembrokeshire Record Office, > Haverfordwest > > or the Family Records Centre, Myddleton Place, Islington. If you wish to > > have a list of these chapels please let me know off list and I will copy > them > > out for you. > > > > Bye for now > > Joy > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Gareth's Help Page > > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.westwales.co.uk/dfhs/dfhs.htm > >

Jane, Many thanks for your explanation of "Nonconformist" - it helps quite a lot! Elida in SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "buttery" <bbuttery@mnsi.net> To: "Elida" <elida@signature.cc> Cc: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Meyler > Elida wrote: Please define -"Nonconformist" > > These are people who do not belong to the established Church of England. Some > examples would be Baptist, Methodist and Calvinist. Any independent churches in > other words. Their records are harder to find. They were often buried in > cemetaries in 19thC called BOX cemetares too. > Hope this helps you > Regards, Jane >

Elida wrote: Please define -"Nonconformist" These are people who do not belong to the established Church of England. Some examples would be Baptist, Methodist and Calvinist. Any independent churches in other words. Their records are harder to find. They were often buried in cemetaries in 19thC called BOX cemetares too. Hope this helps you Regards, Jane