Hi Verona Your mail arrived Ok so you must be still subbed. The lists are all very quiet right now. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "alfred.evans" <alfred.evans@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 8:57 PM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Help > Gareth > > A few weeks ago my hard drive crashed and had to be replaced. I have just had my PC returned to me. Although I am receiving emails from the Derby list I have only received a few from the WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE LIST . Am I still subscribed? Stupid question as I have received a few but thats over the last week!! > > Verona Evans > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.westwales.co.uk/dfhs/dfhs.htm > > >

Dear Gerry, I was prompted to write to you because of your offer and because of this record in the 1881 census where I found some interesting connections,30 years later:- Dwelling: Market St Census Place: Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342295 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5374 Folio 144 Page 30 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John HARRIES U 51 M Fishguard, Pembroke, (you found him age 10 in '41/folio.008) Rel: Head Occ: Boot & Shoe Manufacturer ( same as John Davies of Fishguard) W. N. REES U 19 M Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Nephew Occ: Draper John H. DAVIES U 20 M Newport, Pembroke, Wales ( John's grandson?) Rel: Nephew Occ: Outfitter (Carter) John FRANCIS 15 M Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales ( I have Francis in my family too. Ann Rel: Nephew Occ: Outfitter (Carter) DAVIES married Thos. FRANCIS) Ann DANIEL U 22 F Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Serv Occ: Domestic Servant Thanks for the offer to check parishes or is it just a census ? You helped me some time ago with HARRIES/HARRY family of Fishguard. My William HARRIES was a mariner. I have the details of his marriage and that of Henry Davies. Please see below. 3-5-1814 William Harries Mariner and Margaret Meyler Fishguard Parish church I found these in IGI Mary HARRIES Christening: 20 Nov 1814 Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales Father: William HARRIES Mother: Margret Ann HARRIES who married John DAVIES, son of Henry(1839) Christening: 16 Nov 1817 Fishguard, Pembroke, Margart HARRIES Christening: 7 Dec 1819 Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales John HARRIES- in 1851 census he is down as 21 Christening: 15 Sep 1829 Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales Father: William HARRIES Mother: Margaret You gave me a Mary and John HARRY in 1841 and John and Ann DAVIES born the same year rounded off to 20 in 1841 but really 23 with 1 year old William. They later moved to Llanelly. This fits the above dates and other confirmed Parish dates. I think mary must have been an earlier child of Margaret(MEYLER) and William HARRY/HARRIES-mariner. I am writing this to ask now if you have any burial record of a William HARRIES,please? Could he have died at sea? One man wrote to me ages ago that he may have captained the SIlicia but he wanted 20 pounds for detailed information. I didn't bite! You also said you may have more on Meylers in 1841. I haven't got any further and I am now interested in finding a little more or how to.. before I came to Fishguard in October this year. Forgive my detailed lengthy note. It was ayear ago that you sent me the HARRY information which I did appreciate.You also told me of Davies sp. DAVIS in the census. DAVIES /Called DAVIS 16-12-1817 Henry Davies cooper and Ann Griffith, Fishguard Parish church. I just wondered if there was any way to go back further. I think they may have been non-conformist. You gave me his brother as Thomas DAVIES/DAVIS shoemaker age 55 in 1841 I've found that Thomas Davies witnessed John Davies marriege to Ann HARRIED in 1839 in Fishguard so maybe he was apprenticed to his uncle. Henry must have died before 1841 as he was not in the census at all. Perhaps there are others out there lookig for HARRIES or PEmbrokeshire DAVIES or Griffiths. I'd love to find out. With thanks for all you have offered in the past. Just hoping you can advise me now. Best wishes, Jane ( was DAVIES) Buttery in hot Southern Ontario

Dear Gerry, I was prompted to write to you because of your offer and because of this record in the 1881 census where I found some interesting connections,30 years later:- Dwelling: Market St Census Place: Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342295 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5374 Folio 144 Page 30 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John HARRIES U 51 M Fishguard, Pembroke, (you found him age 10 in '41/folio.008) Rel: Head Occ: Boot & Shoe Manufacturer ( same as John Davies of Fishguard) W. N. REES U 19 M Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Nephew Occ: Draper John H. DAVIES U 20 M Newport, Pembroke, Wales ( John's grandson?) Rel: Nephew Occ: Outfitter (Carter) John FRANCIS 15 M Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales ( I have Francis in my family too. Ann Rel: Nephew Occ: Outfitter (Carter) DAVIES married Thos. FRANCIS) Ann DANIEL U 22 F Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Serv Occ: Domestic Servant Thanks for the offer to check parishes or is it just a census ? You helped me some time ago with HARRIES/HARRY family of Fishguard. My William HARRIES was a mariner. I have the details of his marriage and that of Henry Davies. Please see below. 3-5-1814 William Harries Mariner and Margaret Meyler Fishguard Parish church I found these in IGI Mary HARRIES Christening: 20 Nov 1814 Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales Father: William HARRIES Mother: Margret Ann HARRIES who married John DAVIES, son of Henry(1839) Christening: 16 Nov 1817 Fishguard, Pembroke, Margart HARRIES Christening: 7 Dec 1819 Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales John HARRIES- in 1851 census he is down as 21 Christening: 15 Sep 1829 Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales Father: William HARRIES Mother: Margaret You gave me a Mary and John HARRY in 1841 and John and Ann DAVIES born the same year rounded off to 20 in 1841 but really 23 with 1 year old William. They later moved to Llanelly. This fits the above dates and other confirmed Parish dates. I think mary must have been an earlier child of Margaret(MEYLER) and William HARRY/HARRIES-mariner. I am writing this to ask now if you have any burial record of a William HARRIES,please? Could he have died at sea? One man wrote to me ages ago that he may have captained the SIlicia but he wanted 20 pounds for detailed information. I didn't bite! You also said you may have more on Meylers in 1841. I haven't got any further and I am now interested in finding a little more or how to.. before I came to Fishguard in October this year. Forgive my detailed lengthy note. It was ayear ago that you sent me the HARRY information which I did appreciate.You also told me of Davies sp. DAVIS in the census. DAVIES /Called DAVIS 16-12-1817 Henry Davies cooper and Ann Griffith, Fishguard Parish church. I just wondered if there was any way to go back further. I think they may have been non-conformist. You gave me his brother as Thomas DAVIES/DAVIS shoemaker age 55 in 1841 I've found that Thomas Davies witnessed John Davies marriege to Ann HARRIED in 1839 in Fishguard so maybe he was apprenticed to his uncle. Henry must have died before 1841 as he was not in the census at all. Perhaps there are others out there lookig for HARRIES or PEmbrokeshire DAVIES or Griffiths. I'd love to find out. With thanks for all you have offered in the past. Just hoping you can advise me now. Best wishes, Jane

Gareth A few weeks ago my hard drive crashed and had to be replaced. I have just had my PC returned to me. Although I am receiving emails from the Derby list I have only received a few from the WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE LIST . Am I still subscribed? Stupid question as I have received a few but thats over the last week!! Verona Evans

Thanks Gareth, Frances

Ray, Thanks for the offer, I am researching the Richards of St Issells. I have extracted all Richards from the 1841, 1851 and 1881 Census. I now need to do 1861,1871 and 1891, can you help, please? I am also interested in the Morris's of Begelly and Ludchurch. Frances

Hi Frances See the Dyfed FHS site on http://www.westwales.co.uk/dfhs/dfhs.htm for the full list of what they have published for sale. See also the Pem page of the Lookup Exchange for what is available for lookups, link below my name. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Richards" <allan.richards@virgin.net> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 6:56 PM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Fiche > Hi Gareth, > > This may seem a silly question, but how do I go about ordering fiche for > Pembrokeshire ? - I will shortly have access to a reader. > At present,I am interested in the Parish Records for St Issells and Begelly, > also the censuses for these parishes, 1841-1871 and 1891. > Hope you can put me on the right track. > > Frances > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > National Library of Wales > http://www.llgc.org.uk/ > > >

Hi Gareth, This may seem a silly question, but how do I go about ordering fiche for Pembrokeshire ? - I will shortly have access to a reader. At present,I am interested in the Parish Records for St Issells and Begelly, also the censuses for these parishes, 1841-1871 and 1891. Hope you can put me on the right track. Frances

My latest completed book index is; Hanes Eglwys Annibynnol Esgairdawe [The History of Esgairdawe Independent Church/Chapel] by M E Williams, 1992. Esgairdawe is in Pencarreg parish, CMN. This includes two lists of chapel members at different dates, also some baptism, marriage and burial records. On http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Pencarreg/HanesEglwys.html A full list of completed book indexes is on my help page, see below, under Indexing project Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

can someone please tell me about Naval Officer lists? I am researching a William Meredith born 1793c died in 1860 who was a Naval Paymaster who seems to have spent a lot of time in the Cork area as his children were born there in 1815-1820 and William and wife Elizabeth were buried there. Thanks a million. Jan

You can read more about exciting recent developments with this project by Rod Neep on http://www.archivecdbooks.com. The idea is to scan old, out-of-print books, directories, etc. and to then distribute them on CD-ROM. This is a non-profit scheme and any funds received are either plowed back to buy more books or are donated to the Archives that have loaned books . Books purchased can also be sponsored by individuals, it's certainly a way anyone can help to fund what is a fast growing and very worthwhile project. Check it out ! Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

Reference my previous message NBI stands for National Burial Index Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

The anticipated ruling from the FFHS concerning lookups has now arrived, copied below in full so no one is in any doubt as to what they are saying. Whilst I still have some difficulty in accepting that the FFHS would actually pursue someone legally for offering free lookups [which is what they threaten] nevertheless, in these exact circumstances, I have been obliged to remove all the volunteers names from the entry on the All Wales Lookup Exchange and have replaced that with a brief note explaining how it is. My thanks to those volunteers for what they have done. The 'rights and wrongs' of the FFHS's attitude and the ins and outs of copyright law are being hotly debated right now on the Listowner's E & W list, and I dare say some of you will have equally strong opinions. But don't send them direct to me :-) Leaving aside the Lookup Exchange, it is obviously up to individuals how they interpret the wording of the 'edict' in practice but it would certainly be putting a listowner in a potentially vulnerable position if results of searches on the NBI were posted back to a list. And list archives are permanent and freely accessible. Please note the final paragraph with the FFHS's reluctance to respond to individual queries, and, their recommendation for further action if anyone feels that upset about it. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ##################### > > Dear Mailing List/Family History Society member > There have been numerous enquiries about look ups from the NBI. As acting > chairman of the Federation I am stating what the official policy of the > Executive is, which is as follows. > > The copy of the NBI currently in circulation is for private > use only. The accompanying licence states :- > "Upon opening this package you are granted a licence to use > the software and data herewith contained for personal > genealogical and family history research and you agree to be > bound by the following terms and conditions: ... > * You may not make any copies of the software or data. You > may print, photocopy or download portions of the data for > private research and study only > * You may not publish or sell any portion of the software > and data, in printed, electronic, or any other format, > without prior written consent of the Licensors ..." > > Look-ups as a result of which part of the data is then sent to a third > party can be regarded as publishing in printed or electronic format. Even > if this wasn't spelt out in the Agreement, the laws on copyright (if I may > simplify complex terms) state that one can only copy a limited percentage > of copyright data for one's own use, and a frequent copying of small > amounts of data (which a look-up service could entail) amounts to an > excessive use rather than a limited percentage. > > There is a significant difference between someone doing the odd look-up as > a favour to a friend, and a look-up service publicly advertised to all the > subscribers to a Mailing List or visitors to a web-site. The latter is an > inducement to use that service rather than to buy the original copyrighted > product. > > The Federation is committed to support and encourage family history > research, and the last thing it wants is to antagonise or alienate > researchers, who may well belong to one or more of the Federation's member > societies. But if it were to take no action once it is aware that copyright > laws were being breached, that could be regarded as condoning the act and > therefore it could be regarded in law as "an accessory after the fact". As a > Charity, the Federation's Executive Trustees have a duty to safeguard the > interests of the Charity, the Federation itself, and also its member > societies Many of their number have submitted their own copyrighted material > for inclusion on the NBI. > > Free look-ups of anything which is "out of copyright" (i.e. where the > copyright has expired) is fine. And, as I've said, the occasional specific > look-up for isolated requests are a fact of life. But a general look-up > service being advertised for copyright material is different. > > We have therefore no option but to attempt to take action on anyone > offering a look up service. It is in the long term a disservice to family > history. Certainly anyone attempting to make financial gain from the NBI is > doing it at expense of all those hard working volunteers in many Societies > who gave their time for free. > The excess of income from sales of the NBI will be used to fund a further > project which I hope can be significantly discussed at the next Council > meeting in September. It will of course be a means of ensuring that all > family historians can benefit from the efforts of the NBI team. > > There may be many of you who disagree with this policy but the Federation > Executive believe it is the correct way to handle this. Please note I am > not able to answer any further individual queries on this matter and > suggest that if you feel strongly the best course of action is to ensure > your Society brings the matter for discussion at the next Council meeting. > Alec Tritton > Vice-chairman (Acting as Chairman) FFHS alec.tritton@one-name.org

Gareth, I was able to help Olwyn directly and found her Rebecca born west walton age 26 in Cardiff in 1881. Jane

Please reply direct to Olwyn on olwyn@churchtown95.freeserve.co.uk as not sure whether a subscriber or not. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olwyn Shaw" <olwyn@churchtown95.freeserve.co.uk> To: <tirbach@clara.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: James family Can anybody help me? I am trying to trace my ggm family. My grandmother Elizabeth Ann James was born in Milford, County of Pembroke 6/7/1875, Mothers name Rebecca James of Broad Haven. Walton West. No father name. I was once told thhat a David James and his wife Rhoda who were buried in Walton Churchyard were my g.gm parents. Also trying to find out about a William (Billy) Jenkins of Broad Haven, he had cows and covered his milkround with a pony and trap, I met him when I was a young child he seemed very old then, many years later I was told he was my gm father. Any help would be appreciated. Olwyn

I'm just nearing the end of indexing Hanes Eglwys Annibynnol Esgairdawe, [History of Esgairdawe Independent Church] Mary E Williams, 1992, and from my observations of where members lived relative to the chapel itself it has occurred to me to risk stating the obvious. In this case the chapel is sited very near to 3 parish borders, Pencarreg, Caio and Llansawel. It is actually just in Pencarreg parish, but I'm not totally clear whether the new burial ground across the road isn't in Caio parish. No matter, my point is, if one just searched nonconformist registers of chapels which are *within* the parish our ancestors lived in then we may not find them if they attended a chapel in an adjoining parish. My advice then is to use a map to pinpoint the farm or village concerned and then look around to see what chapels are within a given distance, I suggest 2 or 3 miles as a starter but be prepared for much greater distances in circumstances where particular denomination nonconformist chapels were few and far between. And county borders needn't be a barrier here either. I know, it would be nice if a few more of our respective target chapels had some extant registers to look at :-( Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

I am trying to locate a place in Wales named Tudagu. My Richard line comes from there any help would be appreciated. Regards, Ken

----- Original Message ----- From: <wrwgrw@earthlink.net> To: "john richards" <john@gtwest.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DUGGAN and others > >Clear as mud eh.!!! > > I think this aptly describes it! > > lost and wondering > To this anonymous sender, I apologise if it was a little more than you could take. It does seem that others could comprehend the problems and sent me most helpful information. To them I say thank you and I will reply individually; John Richards. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.261 / Virus Database: 131 - Release Date: 06/06/01

Hi List, So there is life out there and I thought that all the DUGGANs had gone on holiday in space! So here is my tale of woe. My Gt. Grandmother was Elizabeth DUGGAN was born 1830 in Castlemartin Pembs.and married my Gt. grandfather Joseph RICHARDS (no date yet ascertained) Her mother, was also Elizabeth but I do not yet have her maiden name. Nor, most importantly, do I yet have her father's details but he was obviously (I hope) a DUGGAN and I would presume was from this general area of Pembs. I have been given a line of DUGGANs starting with the death in Stackpole in 1726 of Thomas DUGGAN. It is in his line of Gt. grandchildren that I hope to find the father of Elizabeth's husband. Clear as mud eh.!!! In this list I see that a William DUGGAN married 16/10/1786 in St Petrox, a Mary ROBLIN which surname occurs as a possibility later on in my list of RICHARDS ancestors. If any of this strikes a chord somewhere please respond asap. John Richards. (St Albans UK) Searching RICHARDS & DUGGAN (Pembs) DFHS 2715 RICHARDS, WIFFEN, DAY (London & Middx.) WIFFEN & NORRIS (Stock, Essex) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.261 / Virus Database: 131 - Release Date: 07/06/01

on 14/6/01 11:35 am, Jan Gluyas at sticky@iweb.net.au wrote: > Does anyone know anything about the Irish Ferry service circa 1840's? Also > known as the Milford Haven & Waterford shipping service, ran by a Mr. > Jackson of Neyland and his partner a Mr. Ford of London? > Regards from Oz. > Jan Hi Jan The only reference I can find is in a book called "The Railways of Pembrokeshire" by John Morris (SBN 901906204) "..... a mail packet service having been established by 1824.. Pembroke Dock, Milford and Dunmore... Meanwhile, Captain Thomas Jackson started a steamer service between Milford and waterford, entering into partnership with Captain Robert Ford. "On completion of the South Wales Railway [SWR] to Neyland, Jackson and Ford would operate their service from that port in connection with boat trains from Paddington [the London terminus]. The first sailing in connection with the SWR was in August 1856." The book is mainly about the railways, but there is mention of the various steamers built for the route. A later mention is this: "...Ford and Jackson acquired their last steamer, the 793 ton Vulture.... arrived on 12th July 1870. ...Ford and Jackson's fleet as it existed before the concern was taken over was thus a somewhat mixed bag. It seems likely that the problems of keeping the Waterford service going contributed greatly to the eventual decision of the Great Western [Railway] board [successors to the SWR] to take over the service themselves." and in a later chapter: "Ford & Jackson were therefore taken over on 1st February 1872, the purchase price being £36,500, for which the GWR got the Malakhoff, South of Ireland and Great Western. The Vulture was not purchased until April, when the GWR bought her for £9,000. Thus ended Captain Jackson's long career as owner of the cross-channel service, though by mutual agreement he remained at New Milford [Neyland] on a teporary basis as "Manager" .... until July 1873." Gerry Lewis