Fwd for Kim Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Bewick" <kim.bewick@ntlworld.com> To: <DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 5:59 PM Subject: UK Schools Website Update > Could you please forward the following message to your list. > Many thanks > Kim > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Hi Everyone > I would like to notify you of several changes that are well underway on > the UK Schools Interests website. Despite the success of the old site I > decided it was time for a new look with a lot more facilities. The site > now has a brand new Discussion Forum that contains mountains of > information and I would like people to take five minutes out to pay a > visit. The main reason for needing your help is that I am trying to > collect as many addresses of schools past and present as well as > photographs and website addresses and background information to schools > and much, much more. The topic headings will point you in the right > direction. > Please bear in mind that many of the pages still need to receive their > makeover, however some are finished and I am working through the rest as > quickly as possible. If you come across any problems please let me know. > > I have also added a chat room, so why not pop in and say hello. Simply > follow the links on the main page of the site. > I look forward to seeing you. Thank you all for your continued support. > Best Wishes > Kim > www.uk-schools.org <http://www.uk-schools.org/> >

"Parish Registers of Wales" by CJ Williams/J.Watts-Williams I have just uploaded a complete update to all the GENUKI Pembrokeshire parish pages based on the revised data in the second edition [2000] of the above book relating to extant parish records and their whereabouts. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

Just for interest, I found an even better site with links about how the Huguenots fled all over Europe and to America. It's one of my favourite periods of history! Jane http://www.fast.net.au/coorey/French/huguenots.htm

Christopher wrote about a CHalice engraved:- 'POCULUM ECLESIE DE SANT ESELS 1575' . Seems like the vicar at the time would have had it engraved to order after talking it over with others. Anyone have any idea what language the maker used or any historical background about such things? Have you considered the Huguenots? After the French massacre in August 1572, many fled and some did before. There is eveidence that they came to S/W England so possibly to the Welsh coast too. They were Protestant artisans and would have brought their skills with them. I know weavers came to Canterbury and settled there. I have possible Huguenot relatives called ROYNON in Somerset. The French of the time may have been a 'jumble' of Latin and French as the skill was in making achalice not in writing the words! Just a thought. Below is URL for the Huguenot history http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/8140/hist-hug.htm I hope this helps alittle Yours, Jane

Thanks for the help, Graham and Sally (Sally, my Latin, taken by order of my mother, is about as old as yours...) >you are correct with PCULUM meaning 'cup'. >The rest 'ECLESIE DE SANT ESELS' is also Latin and means literally 'Church >of St ISSELLs'. Agreed--it's closer to Latin than anything, but it's sure not classical Latin. The case endings are wrong. (Remember that great scene in 'Life of Brian?' 'Ere, what's this then? 'Romani ite domum?') And why Latin at a time when the Church of Rome was thought either subversive or a threat to life and limb given Mary Tudor's delight in burning protestants? I remember reading somewhere that she sent 3 people to the stake in Havorford West. Here's an interesting take on it <http://www.celticmist.freeserve.co.uk/onreformation.htm> "The short reign of Edward VI saw attempts to impose a Protestant regime in Wales. This included replacing the Latin services with the Book of Common Prayer, which was in English. Again, this had little effect on many of the population, who spoke no English. The suggestion that the Welsh accepted the changes because of loyalty to the Tudors (Henry VII was seen as being Welsh) is probably of little importance. The reality was that it would be like our attending a church each week to listen to a service in Swahili and then suddenly being told it was to be in Japanese instead." "The Acts of Supremacy and Uniformity (1559) had little effect, but that of 1563 which allowed provision of a bible and a prayer book to be written in Welsh was the greatest change since the downfall of the Celtic Christian church. It would be nice to think that we might attribute this move to some belief that was religious, but the truth is that it was largely a move to establish the Church of England in Wales and so reduce opposition. Elizabeth had succeeded to the throne after an attempt by Mary to restore the Catholic faith, but elements of the faith were still seen as a threat. However, at last, services were to be held in a language that most people actually understood ! Salesbury's prayer book and New Testament appeared in 1567 and Morgan's Bible in 1588." But you'd think the Latin would have been better. Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant from chrisw@skypoint.com | this distance" (last words of Gen. ___________________________| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania 1864) http://www.skypoint.com/~chrisw

While visiting at St Issell's church in Saundersfoot I saw (got to hold, actually) a chalice engraved with the words 'POCULUM ECLESIE DE SANT ESELS 1575' Looking at a couple of pictures later I realized I didn't recognise the language. Poculum is latin for 'cup' or 'little cup' but the rest of it looks neither Latin nor Welsh. The sentiment is pretty clear--it's a chalice belonging to St Issells parish that was made in 1575. Could be Latin (maybe French) but the chalice was made in Protestant times so Latin wouldn't have been in style. ECLESIE DE SANT ESELS doesn't look Welsh or English, even allowing for the lack of any sort of consistent spelling. Seems like the vicar at the time would have had it engraved to order after talking it over with others. Anyone have any idea what language the maker used or any historical background about such things? St Issells is not to be missed, BTW, especially in the spring. (Call the vicar's office first) It's down in a little glade surrounded by daffodils. The tower is Norman and inside is a marvellous Norman baptismal font which apparently rests on the capitals of two columns from a former church. Even an apostate like me was mightily impressed with the sense of place, let alone that two of my Gggrandparents were married there. Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant from chrisw@skypoint.com | this distance" (last words of Gen. ___________________________| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania 1864) http://www.skypoint.com/~chrisw

If Derek would care to get in touch with me (my address is given on my web site), I will be able to forward a map to him showing exactly where Twopenny Hay is! Graham http://members.tripod.co.uk/Graham_Davies/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <tirbach@clara.co.uk> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: [WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE] Fw: {not a subscriber} Odd Pembrokeshire names > Fwd for Derek who isn't subbed. > > Gareth > List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk > Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Evans" <Thomas.Evans1@btinternet.com> > To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:11 PM > Subject: {not a subscriber} Odd Pembrokeshire names > > > > > > y randmother, MARY ANN PHILLIPS nee BRACE was born in Twopenny Hay in > 1870. I'm not exactly sure where Twopenny Hay is, although it is mentioned > in (PEMBROKE PEOPLE) as being on the lane from Pembroke to Kingsbridge. > > To add to the list, there is a place called PUDDLE DUCK between ROSEMARKET > and SARDIS. > > Derek Evans. Once of NEYLAND. > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb list archives[threaded] http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLSPembrokeshire-L/ > >

Fwd for Derek who isn't subbed. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Evans" <Thomas.Evans1@btinternet.com> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Odd Pembrokeshire names > > y randmother, MARY ANN PHILLIPS nee BRACE was born in Twopenny Hay in 1870. I'm not exactly sure where Twopenny Hay is, although it is mentioned in (PEMBROKE PEOPLE) as being on the lane from Pembroke to Kingsbridge. > To add to the list, there is a place called PUDDLE DUCK between ROSEMARKET and SARDIS. > Derek Evans. Once of NEYLAND. > > > >

on 11/7/01 2:57 pm, buttery at bbuttery@mnsi.net wrote: > Dear Friends, > I hope to visit Fishguard for a day/night en route to Ireland. I note( > from Canada) that the Ferry to Rosslare goes about 9am so I need to stay > overnight. I would be most grateful if a local person could recommend a > bed and breakfast for one at a reasonable rate.I would be coming about > September 21st.to go on the ferry on Sept.22nd. > My ancestors Harries, Davies and Meyler came from Fishguard and I want > to photograph places around the town. I would probably have trvelled by > bus or train from Llanelli- in case that affects where one stays. > Unfortunately as a child I only rushed through these two towns and now I > want to see them more. > Any advice would be welcome and appreciated.. > Yours, Jane Hi Jane When you are in Fishguard you must visit the Seaways Bookshop, 12 West Street - you may be able to find a book with old photographs of the area like the one published by Pembrokeshire County Council: "Fishguard & Goodwick in Old Photographs" (ISBN 190155001X) If you have time also try to see the Last Invasion Tapestry which was (when I saw it a few years ago) in St Mary's Church Hall in Main Street (very close to The Square, opposite St Mary's Church). Gerry Lewis

> Hi Jane > > When you are in Fishguard you must visit the Seaways Bookshop, 12 West > Street - you may be able to find a book with old photographs of the area > like the one published by Pembrokeshire County Council: > > "Fishguard & Goodwick in Old Photographs" (ISBN 190155001X) > > If you have time also try to see the Last Invasion Tapestry which was (when > I saw it a few years ago) in St Mary's Church Hall in Main Street (very > close to The Square, opposite St Mary's Church). > Gerry , Thanks this all sounds most interesting and I love Bookshop! I appreciate the knowledge. You are a real fund of information. By the way my Meylers are probablythefamily with 52 year old William Meyler in it.(1841 census) Jane

I live in Goodwick, so I can help you. The conventional ferry sails at 2.30pm and 02.30am daily and takes 3 1/2 hours. The Sea Lynx, a fast catarmaran sails at 11am and 4pm, weather permitting, and takes 99 minutes. The Sea Lynx is slightly more expensive, but the fares for foot passengers are minimal. For B and B. Sea View Hotel (not a hotel any more just B and B) £25 per night and 10 minutes from the port. Beach House guest house, Goodwick, 15 pounds per night and 5 minutes walk from the port. There are others, but I don't know the exact prices. The Port is actually in the village of Goodwick, not in Fishguard and I would be happy to make a booking for you. I would recommend that you travel to Fishguard Harbour by train from Llanelli. There are two connections a day from Swansea, which meet the conventional ferry. ie train arrives at about 2pm and 1.30am. There is a local bus service during the day. The bus from London Victoria leaves late afternoon(I think 3pm) for Haverfordwest, but it stops at all the South Wales towns, including Llanelli, and gets to Haverfordwest late at night. I believe you would then need to convince a taxi to drive the 14 miles to Fishguard, there is no connecting bus service at the moment. If you need any furthur help let me know, so that you make the best use of your time here. Regards, Myra Heywood

Christopher , What good advice you sent me! As you have said September is an off season. I am fortunate to have a cousin in Cardiff and another in the Rhondda so I only need Fishguard. Myra gave me oneB/B which seems great for 15 pounds but Ivybridge looks nice too- had she not given a cheaper price. I try to keep costs down. I am also lucky to have cousins in London area and Cornwall. You have given me information that will be useful elsewhere. I rarely book ahead when we use a car but this time I need to rely on trains and ferry. Many thanks to you and Myra , Jane in Harrow,Ontario

I spoke to the vicar of Camrose the other day, and he tells me that things are all but back to normal after their terrible fire, he was hoping not to have to apologise to visitors from overseas again, as he had to, it seems to some folks from Oz, best wishes Tony Rogers

Dear Friends, I hope to visit Fishguard for a day/night en route to Ireland. I note( from Canada) that the Ferry to Rosslare goes about 9am so I need to stay overnight. I would be most grateful if a local person could recommend a bed and breakfast for one at a reasonable rate.I would be coming about September 21st.to go on the ferry on Sept.22nd. My ancestors Harries, Davies and Meyler came from Fishguard and I want to photograph places around the town. I would probably have trvelled by bus or train from Llanelli- in case that affects where one stays. Unfortunately as a child I only rushed through these two towns and now I want to see them more. Any advice would be welcome and appreciated.. Yours, Jane

Heulwen. If she was born in 1854, try looking in the GRO marriage records for their marriage in the same year. I did that twice and found marriage just before child's birth. Could Jane be an unmarried sister living with Thomas Brace? Just a thought Good luck, Janein Ontario

This is fairly modern family and I think there may be help on the web. Have you thought of trying the Worldwide telephone directory? It may be away to check on Elias. I have my cousin's name and address in Uk that way. There is also a new TREETOPS Tracing relatives .URL is :http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ There's a "Till we meet again " TV program and they will list your missing relative or friend on it.in UK. I live in Canada so hope it works for me. I looked up Shanghai and WWII and got this for you:- http://www.regiments.org/milhist/eastasia/china.htm It may give you some knowledge. he was obviously there because it was a British territory. They evacuated Shanghai in 1940. Your relative may have been taken prisoner in Hong Kong or in Singapore. I'm just guessing. Hong Kong fell in December 1941 "On December 13, 1941, the Japanese began a five-day bombardment of the island of Hong Kong softening it up for the coming amphibious assault. The British commanders had always expected an attack from the sea, and so had placed most of their fortifications at the bottom of the island. They still expected a Japanese attack from the sea, even though the enemy was now in control of the mainland on the other side. All the Japanese had to do was cross the harbour." quote you can find under You may want to read this site too:- He may have been part of Shanghai volunteer Corps. There's reference to it. http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/5047/SHANGFLG.html That's all I can think of. Good luck, Jane

EMMA PHILLIPS, was born 4.9.1854,Greenhill,Pwllcrochan, the daughter of JAMES PHILLIPS & ELIZABETH,formerly BRACE. I haven't found a marriage for James & Elizabeth. In 1881 they were living in Swansea & had 2 sons,James,b.1860 Pemb.Dock & William b.1862 Castlemartin. In 1851 James(snr.) was 23 & living in Bosheston. He was the son of James & Margaret Phillips. Elizabeth,b.1824, may be the daughter of THOMAS BRACE, living, in 1851 with her father(b.1791) in Rhoscrowther. There was also a Jane,b.1855 living with them. Would she have been Thomas' daughter,(b.when his wife was 54) or, perhaps Elizabeth's(illegitimate?) . Can anyone help? Heulwen

Fwd for Hew who has used the wrong list address :-) Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. tirbach@clara.co.uk Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <gwynne@radiant.net> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:51 PM Subject: RE: Thomas Gwynne > I am seeking information about my paternal great uncleThomas Gwynne, born 1879 at St. > Dogmaels and brother to Benjamin, my grandfather. At some point early in life Thomas > travelled to Shanghai, China where he worked for the Post Office; and to the best of my > understanding became postmaster there.He was taken prisoner-of-war in 1941 by the > Japanese. > I would like to know 1) when Thomas went to Shanghai > 2) the name(also maiden) of Thomas' wife. I understand that she was > an American. > 3) the name and whereabouts of Thomas' son. > 4) where Thomas and family travelled to in 1948 after leaving > Shanghai. > I will be most appreciative of answers to any of the above. > Thank you, > Hew Gwynne > > > > Download the Lord of the Rings Desktop at http://www.lordoftherings.net > > >

I am seeking information about my paternal great uncleThomas Gwynne, born 1879 at St. Dogmaels, son of William and brother to Benjamin, my paternal grandfather. At some time early in his life Thomas travelled to Shanghai, China where he worked for the Post Office; and to the best of my knowledge became postmaster there.He was taken prisoner-of-war in 1941 by the Japanese. I would like to know if possible: 1) when Thomas went to Shanghai 2) the name(also maiden) of Thomas' wife. I understand that she was an American. 3) the name and whereabouts of Thomas' son. I believe his name may be Elias 4) where Thomas and family travelled to in 1948 after leaving Shanghai. I will be most appreciative of answers to any of the above. Thank you, Hew Gwynne . Download the Lord of the Rings Desktop at http://www.lordoftherings.net

Hi Jan, I have been away so have just seen your query about Navy Lists - but there seem to be no replies! So here is what I can remember about the Navy List. The Navy List was published quarterly, from somewhere around 1770s right through the period you are interested in. It covers officers only. There is a full set at the PRO at Kew, a good run at the Guildhall Library in London - but not much good for someone with a dot-au address! I seem to recall that Paymasters were not included in the early lists, but I may have confused them (cannot check this at present). OK, now for something which might help: there was an article in the Genealogists' Magazine March(2001) about this branch of the Navy. Suggest you try the author, Bernard Austerberry, email Navy@paymaster13.freeserve.co.uk Best of luck Bill Griffith-Jones