Hello Jon This looks like them:- 1841 Reg dist Milford enum dist 7 parish of Hubberston. Folio 19a page 7 Hakin William Gould 63 Block M N Elizabeth Gould 63 N Elizabeth Gould 9 Y Mirab Hancock 20 F.S. Y Note: There are other Goulds living in Hubberston with occupation Blockmaker -- so William shown as Block M - I would say was a Master Blockmaker (according to the rules for filling in occupation in 1841) Are these other Goulds part of your family - do you want those entries as well? Cheers Pat In message <[email protected] lworld.com>, Jon Gould <[email protected]> writes >Hi, > would SKS be able to do a lookup in the 1841 census please. I'm >looking for William Gould ( Aged 63 ) who was married to Elizabeth ( same >age ). I don't believe William was born in the area. > > Many thanks. > > Regards Jon Gould > -- Pat Powell

I can't resist pointing out to Uk listers that Genuki has a full two page coverage in the current issue (55) of the magazine 'Internet Made Easy'. The intro starts out; "Find thousands of genealogy resources ---This brilliant site is a must-click for any genealogist........." I can't argue with that now can I ?? :-) Quite amusing to see that the example search shown in the article has 'Dyfed Family History Society Alumni Oxoniensis' sitting at the top of the search results for the search expression 'birth records crawley' ! Which gives me the lead-in to remind all listers that the main Genuki search engine reached via the Contents button at the top of each Genuki page searches a database,which apart from Genuki's own pages, also includes the PRO, SoG and FFHS web sites --- also all the Family History Society and County Surname Interest List sites linked from Genuki. Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Hi, would SKS be able to do a lookup in the 1841 census please. I'm looking for William Gould ( Aged 63 ) who was married to Elizabeth ( same age ). I don't believe William was born in the area. Many thanks. Regards Jon Gould

Fwded for Kim Bewick > Hi Everyone > UK SCHOOLS HISTORY WEBSITE http://chrisb.4ce.co.uk/schools_site > It's been a while since I last updated everyone on the website and there has > also been a new development that I would like to share with you. > The website currently houses photographs and/or information for 1627 schools > and there are 292 articles posted on the forum also connected to individual > schools. > As I am almost certain that everyone of you reading this email attended at > least one school, if it was one in the UK could I ask you to have a quick > look to see if it is listed and if not please drop me a line with the > details. > If your school is mentioned than I would appreciate you contacting me with > anything that you can recall from your time there, even if it is only the > name of one teacher. Anything no matter how small can often help to jog > someone else's memory. > > The new development that I have to share with you all is fantastic, well I > think so anyway :-) > I have been contacted by a company called Tempus Publishing > (www.tempus-publishing.com ), who produce books on a wide range of > historical subjects, to write books on the history of various individual > schools in the UK. > So if anyone has any ideas for a school that may be interested in taking > part or would like to write one of their own for that matter, then please > contact me. > I am also looking for anyone with a past connection to Llandaff Cathedral > School to contact me asap. > Kind Regards > Kim > > >

Thanks Gareth. From the looks of it I shall have to talk to the county record office, as they appear to have some records of inmates. Megan Gareth <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Megan A good place to start would be Genuki, a couple of specialist Workhouse sites listed there http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/#Poorhouses Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan Roberts" To: Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Poor Houses Are there any records for Poor Houses, and if so where are they and what would they show? What I am looking for is details of when someone entered a poor house, and hopefully and reasons given. Hopefully someone out there will know the answers. Thanks Megan --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== Rootsweb list archives[threaded] http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLSPembrokeshire-L/ --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger

Based on an informative feature in the current (December) issue of Family Tree Magazine(UK) I have added a selection of relevant links to my Help Page Emigration section. http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPageemigration.html Please feel free to let me have other appropriate material/links for this site. Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

on 23/11/03 5:49 pm, Martin Saiz at [email protected] wrote: > I have two entries for Daniel Williams & household, one in the 1861 Census & > the other in the 1851 Census. The details are listed below but I would like to > ask if anyone has an index to the Pembrokeshire 1841 Census in which I might > discover him living with his parents who, as yet, I have no details for. > > 1861 Census > Residence = Rose Down > Daniel Williams head M 44 Farmer 44 acres of land. Pem Llangolman > Frances Pem Llandewi (i.e LLandewi velfrey) > John, David, Daniel & Rees Pem Penally > Francis & William Narberth South > > 1851 Census > Residence = Penally > Folio 127 page 9 schedule 28 > Daniel Williams 34 Pem Llangolman > Frances Williams 34 Cmn Egremont > John Williams 5 Pem Penally > David Williams 3 Pem Penally > Daniel Williams 8 mths Pem Penally (This child's name is really Edward though > the census has him down as Daniel - I have his birth certificate showing his > parents Daniel & Frances. > > I also have no details for the birth of Daniel Williams nor his marriage to > Frances Williams nee Rees (I have no birth details for her either). > > Any help locating Daniel Williams and his parents on the 1841 Census would be > much appreciated. Any help with the missing birth and/or marriage details of > him and Frances would be a bonus. > > Regards. > Martin Saiz Hello Martin No Daniel William or Williams of the right age living in the Narberth Enumeration District in 1841. Gerry Lewis

Hi List, Thank you to all who assisted me with my query on CUMNER. I think that I have replied privately to all but if not then please accept my thanks. Vida Barker UK.

I have two entries for Daniel Williams & household, one in the 1861 Census & the other in the 1851 Census. The details are listed below but I would like to ask if anyone has an index to the Pembrokeshire 1841 Census in which I might discover him living with his parents who, as yet, I have no details for. 1861 Census Residence = Rose Down Daniel Williams head M 44 Farmer 44 acres of land. Pem Llangolman Frances Pem Llandewi (i.e LLandewi velfrey) John, David, Daniel & Rees Pem Penally Francis & William Narberth South 1851 Census Residence = Penally Folio 127 page 9 schedule 28 Daniel Williams 34 Pem Llangolman Frances Williams 34 Cmn Egremont John Williams 5 Pem Penally David Williams 3 Pem Penally Daniel Williams 8 mths Pem Penally (This child's name is really Edward though the census has him down as Daniel - I have his birth certificate showing his parents Daniel & Frances. I also have no details for the birth of Daniel Williams nor his marriage to Frances Williams nee Rees (I have no birth details for her either). Any help locating Daniel Williams and his parents on the 1841 Census would be much appreciated. Any help with the missing birth and/or marriage details of him and Frances would be a bonus. Regards. Martin Saiz

Hi Megan A good place to start would be Genuki, a couple of specialist Workhouse sites listed there http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/#Poorhouses Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan Roberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Poor Houses Are there any records for Poor Houses, and if so where are they and what would they show? What I am looking for is details of when someone entered a poor house, and hopefully and reasons given. Hopefully someone out there will know the answers. Thanks Megan --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== Rootsweb list archives[threaded] http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLSPembrokeshire-L/

Are there any records for Poor Houses, and if so where are they and what would they show? What I am looking for is details of when someone entered a poor house, and hopefully and reasons given. Hopefully someone out there will know the answers. Thanks Megan --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger

List messages to btinternet and btopenworld subscribers are bouncing and some of you will be automatically unsubscribed by the Rw robot I'm afraid. This is what the Rw Help Desk says although I gather 'the problem' has now been fixed despite the 5 day downtime indication. ############ Mail Lists: 2003-11-22 Email delivery problems to domains - btinternet.com / btopenworld.com Mail sent to part of the British Telecom group mail servers is bouncing. There is nothing that RootsWeb can do to resolve this problem, we all need to wait it out. Users of the BT service should direct their questions to their ISP. We would recommend that once the problem is resolved that users check their subscriptions at http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/. If you are missing messages then please visit the threaded mail archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/. archives Est. downtime: 5 day(s) ############### Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Dear Listers, This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales', just uploaded onto my website, features: 1. A variety of buildings, big and small, in the counties of Breconshire, Carmarthenshire, Monmouthshire and Pembrokeshire. This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in April 1998 (seven photos). 2. The 12th century castle at Llansteffan in Carmarthenshire. This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in March 1998 (eight photos). To view these Retrospective webpages, go to http://home.clara.net/wfha/walespic/retro/retro.htm Enjoy!! Best wishes, John ---------------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive (WFHA): http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 18/11/2003

In looking at photos of Wales I've noticed that I frequently see exterior doors painted in a bright blue color. Is there any genealogical historical significance to this color for doors? I ask this because in the Welsh tract settler areas of Pennsylvania, USA there are reasons passed down through the years as to the blue doors. Thanks for any ideas from listers, where ever, Elida ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:49 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Pictures of: Welsh Buildings (BRE/CMN/MON/PEM), and Llansteffan Castle (CMN) > Dear Listers, > > This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales', just uploaded onto my > website, features: > > 1. A variety of buildings, big and small, in the counties of > Breconshire, Carmarthenshire, Monmouthshire and Pembrokeshire. > This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in April 1998 (seven > photos). > > 2. The 12th century castle at Llansteffan in Carmarthenshire. > This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in March 1998 (eight > photos). > > To view these Retrospective webpages, go to > http://home.clara.net/wfha/walespic/retro/retro.htm > > Enjoy!! > > Best wishes, > > > John > ---------------------------------- > John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK > E-mail: [email protected] > Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ > Welsh Family History Archive (WFHA): http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 18/11/2003 > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb list archives[threaded] http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLSPembrokeshire-L/ >

Hello everyone, I was wondering if someone might be able to help me find the baptism of my great aunt Phyllis. Now this is where it gets tricky. She was born March 13, 1887 to Martha Davies, domestic servant, St. Daniels Hill, Pembroke. There is no father named on the birth certificate, but I'm wondering if the baptism might show his name. I believe her mother may have been a Wesleyan Methodist. Her mother did end up marrying the following September. She married John Walter Hoad in East Molesey, Surrey. Phyllis did claim him as her father (deceased) on her marriage certificate in 1917. Thanks for all the help you have given me in the past. I look forward to any tidbit of information I might receive. Yours truly, Libby Clarke Bracbebridge, ON [email protected] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 06/11/2003

Hi Vida In the Dyfed Index of Baptisms 1838-1900 A baptism is shown for Alfred George CUMNER in 1866 at the Dockyard Church. You can obtain transcript of this from the Pembrokeshire Record Office - <A HREF="file://C:\My%20Documents\Family\Record%20offices\[email protected]">[email protected]</A>. They will not be able to photocopy it as it is an original document. You will abe allowed to take photograph of it if you visit the Record Office in person. You could also try for the Birth Certificate by contacting the Pembrokeshire Registrar, The Register OfficeTower Hill, Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire SA61 1SS Tel: 01437 762579 Bye for now Joy

In message <[email protected]>, Orrel <[email protected]> writes >Dear Rod, >Dynerghys dywordh Kernow - Greetings from Cornwall. And greetings from over the non-existent border in England ;-) >May I point out that Cornwall is hardly an *offshore island*  I didn't say that it was... >and up until the 1950's regional maps such as those published by >Bartholomew showed Cornwall as one of the FOUR regions of Britain.  Was Bartholomew a Cornishman? >The Cornish are  recognised by the EU as an *ethnic minority* within >Britain.  The EU Parliament could be said to have a lot less respect than yours does! (Especially after today's news). >We have our own language -  taught in some schools here and a >parliament which predates that at Westminster.   The Duke of Cornwall >is our head - not the Queen, Who happens to be the son of the Queen. >his jurisdiction over the land being established by a court case in the >19th century.    The Duchy of Cornwall is one of the largest and oldest landed estates in Britain. It was created in 1337 by Edward III for his son, Prince Edward (the Black Prince). A charter ruled that each future Duke of Cornwall would be the eldest surviving son of the monarch - and the heir to the throne (of England). Since the 14th century the Duchy's main purpose has been to provide an income, independent of the Monarch, for the heir apparent. That income covers the cost of the public and private life of the current Duke, The Prince of Wales. Neither he nor his sons receive an allowance from the Civil List. And here's the rub.... When there is no male heir, the Duchy reverts to the Monarch.... of England. >The  fact that the English politicians don't want to remember our >existence is their problem. That's getting a bit politically emotive ;-) (even though you may be correct) >We are the *forgotten nation* whose people founded the USA (see A. L. >Rowse's book *The Cornish in America*.  [This will stir up some folk >:-)  ] I'm not going to rise up to that one ;-) I'll let the Texans do that... after all, they are the ones that want independence from the USA, and therefore you have something in common. >I'm sure there are lots of 'cousins' out there who are unaware of the >diversity of  Britain.   Under the Act of Union with Scotland, > *England* as such, disappeared. Strange... I live in England. I am thoroughly English, and erm... I am really looking forwards to next Saturday. >Unfortunately  no-one seems able to explain why there there is still a  >Queen of  *England*, a Bank of *England*, or the existence of bodies >like *English*  Heritage who even administer sites connected with >*King* Arthur when he was fighting the invading English!! That was rather a long time ago ;-) At about the same time that my ancestors lived in Normandy, which people should of course, not confuse with France, which was a different country and with which Normandy was at war. >Strictly speaking the only people entitled to be *British* are those of >Celtic ancestry.  It was *Prytain* long before it became *Angle-land*. But I certainly would not claim to be British.... I am English! ;-) .... and I am certainly aware of what the Cornish call the English when they invade Cornwall every summer. ;-) >Stephen Treseder >An Lewyth (Hon Speaker) >Senedh an Stenegow Kernow (Cornish Stannary Parliament) Thanks for the "lesson" from the official standpoint. Seriously though, Stephen, I actually do respect your point of view (despite my quips above). Cornwall probably does indeed have the right to be considered to be a separate nation to its close neighbours. All power to your elbow. Regards Rod ps. I am not sure that we should be discussing this within the hearing of the Welsh though ;-) -- Rod Neep Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com

Dear Rod, Dynerghys dywordh Kernow - Greetings from Cornwall. May I point out that Cornwall is hardly an *offshore island* and up until the 1950's regional maps such as those published by Bartholomew showed Cornwall as one of the FOUR regions of Britain. It even appears as such on the Mappa Mundi. The Cornish are recognised by the EU as an *ethnic minority* within Britain. We have our own language - taught in some schools here and a parliament which predates that at Westminster. The Duke of Cornwall is our head - not the Queen, his jurisdiction over the land being established by a court case in the 19th century. The fact that the English politicians don't want to remember our existence is their problem. We are the *forgotten nation* whose people founded the USA (see A. L. Rowse's book *The Cornish in America*. [This will stir up some folk :-) ] I'm sure there are lots of 'cousins' out there who are unaware of the diversity of Britain. Under the Act of Union with Scotland, *England* as such, disappeared. Unfortunately no-one seems able to explain why there there is still a Queen of *England*, a Bank of *England*, or the existence of bodies like *English* Heritage who even administer sites connected with *King* Arthur when he was fighting the invading English!! Strictly speaking the only people entitled to be *British* are those of Celtic ancestry. It was *Prytain* long before it became *Angle-land*. Stephen Treseder An Lewyth (Hon Speaker) Senedh an Stenegow Kernow (Cornish Stannary Parliament) ----- Original Message ----- From: Rod Neep To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Genuki - cross posting Cut: Great Britain consists of three main *countries* England Wales Scotland (plus some offshore islands such as The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands).

Hi Carol I've had a good root around the 1881 census Cd for Wales (and all Uk index) but the only possible suggestion I've come up with is this entry below for a widowed Elizabeth right age, sort of right place. I went through the Rosemarket section of the census but no possible mis-spelling of the name leapt out at me. Could it be that John WAS dead and this is a transcribing error on the index, Eliz for Esther ? That would need the headstone to be wrong as well of course, perhaps stretching the 'possibilities' too far, but you could check that with the GRO index. I just did on FreeBMD, there is an entry for John Scurlock in June 1890 aged 77 Pembroke Ref 11a 586 Oh well, back to the drawing board. Do you know where they were in 1871 ? ############# 3 Gt Eastern Ter Census Place: Llanstadwell, Pembroke, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342304 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5414 Folio 28 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Elizabeth SCURLOCK W 68 F Walwyn Castle, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Head Thomas Hy. SCURLOCK U 23 M St Marys, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Nephew Occ: Shipwright ############### Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Franks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:58 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] 1881 census CD or 1891 census > Dear listers > > Does anyone have the 1881 census CD? I have searched in vain to find John > and Esther or (Hester) SCURLOCK of Rosemarket in 1881 and cannot find them > anywhere in the UK on this census. John did not die until 1890 and was then > aged 77 so he should be around 68 years of age in 1881. He was born in > Llanstadwell around 1813. A search of all Johns born around this timeframe > in Pembrokeshire fails to bring him up. His wife Esther died in 1897 and > she was then supposedly aged 83. Previous census entries have put her > birthdate anything between 1806 and 1814 and I suspect she was actually > older than she said. Both John and Esther were buried in Rosemarket. > > I know Gerry has the 1891 census so if you were able to find my Esther or > Hesther in 1891 aged around 76+ I would be very grateful to you Gerry. > > I wondered if there are areas missing from the 1881 census or whether it is > possible that John and Esther just slipped through the net and failed to > have their details recorded? It was only when a contact sent me a picture > of their gravestones in Rosemarket Churchyard that I realised they were > still alive in 1881. I had assumed that they had died prior to this when > numerous attempts failed to find them in 1881. > > Hoping someone might be able to find them for me. > > Best wishes Carol in Berkshire > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > >

Fwded for Graham who appears not to be currently subscribed From: "Graham" <[email protected]> To: "Glyn Hatherall" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:45 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [WLS-PEM] EVANS, Cosheston or Carew? > Glyn, > If you were to write or contact the Pembrokeshire Record Office, they do > have all the registers for Carew from 1720ish. > I know, I have been down there and checked some of the entries for the > ARTHUR family from Carew. > I cannot get down there often since I live in Scotland. > Regards > Graham > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glyn Hatherall" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 3:26 PM > Subject: [WLS-PEM] EVANS, Cosheston or Carew? > > > > Further to Bettye's interesting idea, does sks have a PR transcript which > > would indicate whether there were children christened to John and Mary > Evans > > in Carew between 1771 and 1776? > > > > Glyn Hatherall > > Ealing, London UK > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > > > > > > From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <[email protected]> > > > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:24:23 +1100 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] EVANS, Cosheston > > > > > > Dear Glyn, > > > > > > I wonder.....as John Evans. first wife named Mary, was > > > remarried to Anne Eynon in 1792 at Carew after Mary's death, perhaps he > was > > > the John Evans who married Mary Eynon at Carew in 1771. It would be > > > feasible that a member of his first wife's family could have been called > on > > > to look after her young children after her death..probably acting as > John's > > > housekeeper for a few years. > > > > > > If you think this likely, perhaps you'd consider purchasing the parish > > > register marriage entries for both marriages ....to compare the > husband's > > > possible signatures. There was a John Evans who married Mary Morgans at > > > Minwear in 1771.....which is an alternative. > > > >