Thanks, Bettye, for your response. One of the Thomases you mentioned might be the father of the Thomas I mentioned, as the family has the unsubstantiated idea that the two had the same name. Although, considering the time frame, I've supposed that there may have been some kind of patronymic name change as well to complicate things, and Thomas's father might not have even had the surname Jenkins, right? I'll keep searching, with your comments in mind. To Sally and Vera, who expressed interest in possible connections, I don't see any links based on what I know so far but I'll keep you in mind as I continue to search. Kevin Jenkins. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/

Subject: [WLS-PEM] Jenkins cross-posting 1851 Census > > James' parents were Thomas Jenkin(s) and Mary Thomas. > Not much known about them but I've seen a Web site > that says Thomas may be the one mentioned in the 1851 > Llangynin census as born 1782 in Llanddewi, > Pembrokeshire. I'd be grateful for 1841/1851 census > information for them as well. Dear Kevin, Your message was interesting and gave avenues for investigation from various aspects. I can't help with the censuses, but from the pre-1813 marriage records for Llandewi Velfrey: Thomas Jenkin 1770 married Margaret Lewis Thomas Jenkin 1779 married Margaret Gibbon Charles Jenkins 1762 married Susannah Evans Walter Jenkins 1771 married Mary Morgan Copies of the parish register entries for these marriages could be obtained from Haverfordwest Records Office......or perhaps the RO or someone on the List can match the Thomas born 1782 with one set of these parents. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.

Hi, Would SKS please do a lookup in the 1851 Hubberston Census for William and Elizabeth Gould, neither were born in the area and both would have been 73. Their Children John ( 1804 ), George ( 1807 ) and Thomas ( 1811 ) were also living in the area. Many thanks regards Jon Gould

Hi. Would anyone know of the birth of Mariah/Maria/Mary Davies born Silian Parish ,CGN about 1802? She married John Jenkins 1821 in Silian,CGN and first son Benjamin Jenkins was born 1822. Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Jenkins cross-posting > > > Subject: [WLS-PEM] Jenkins cross-posting > 1851 Census > > > > James' parents were Thomas Jenkin(s) and Mary Thomas. > > Not much known about them but I've seen a Web site > > that says Thomas may be the one mentioned in the 1851 > > Llangynin census as born 1782 in Llanddewi, > > Pembrokeshire. I'd be grateful for 1841/1851 census > > information for them as well. > > Dear Kevin, > > Your message was interesting and gave avenues for investigation from various > aspects. I can't help with the censuses, but from the pre-1813 marriage > records for Llandewi Velfrey: > > Thomas Jenkin 1770 married Margaret Lewis > Thomas Jenkin 1779 married Margaret Gibbon > Charles Jenkins 1762 married Susannah Evans > Walter Jenkins 1771 married Mary Morgan > > Copies of the parish register entries for these marriages could be obtained > from Haverfordwest Records Office......or perhaps the RO or someone on the > List can match the Thomas born 1782 with one set of these parents. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > National Library of Wales > http://www.llgc.org.uk/ > >

Thanks, John, for the explanation about Melincryddan. I had wondered myself about the "change of air" and could only assume that it must have been less humid?? I'm going to have to practice the art of brevity, but I took a chance on putting a little extra information in that first e-mail as an introduction. Thanks again for responding. Kevin Jenkins __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/

Ive thanked privately but Id like to thank via the list the people who helped me with the marriage in Pembroke Dock Thankyou so much Christine Australia [email protected] wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 318 Today's Topics: #1 [WLS-PEM] Pembroke Dock Look up [=?iso-8859-1?q?christine=20charles] #2 Re: [WLS-PEM] Pembroke Dock Look u [Megan Phelps #3 Re: [WLS-PEM] Pembroke Dock Look u ["BJ & LC Kirkwood" #4 [WLS-PEM] Stephen George, Dinas [[email protected]] #5 [WLS-PEM] Stephen George, Meline P [[email protected]] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-D, send a message to [email protected] that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-D list administrator, send mail to [email protected] ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:42:56 +1100 (EST) From: christine charles To: [email protected] Subject: [WLS-PEM] Pembroke Dock Look up HI I wonder if anyone has access to & would be prepared to look up a marriage in Pembroke Dock on 13th July 1834 between Jane GOODMAN & Wm CRABBE. Im particularly interested in Jane's marital status to help solve a mystery Thankyou so much Christine in Australia - ------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:59:50 +1100 From: Megan Phelps To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Pembroke Dock Look up Dear Christine I'm guessing you have already seen the Index of Pembrokeshire Marriages 1813 - 1837 available on-line from Carmarthenshire FHS. It includes the marriage of William Crabb (note no "e") and Jane Goodman on the date you have, listing the parish of Pembroke St Mary, which I gather may have covered Pembroke Dock at the time. This index often includes mention of marital status or occupation, but no additional information is included on this occasion, Regards Megan Phelps Sydney, Australia On 30/11/03 7:42 PM, "christine charles" wrote: > HI > > I wonder if anyone has access to & would be prepared to look up a marriage in > Pembroke Dock on > 13th July 1834 between Jane GOODMAN & Wm CRABBE. > > Im particularly interested in Jane's marital status to help solve a mystery > Thankyou so much > Christine in Australia > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Personals > - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:58:27 +1100 From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Pembroke Dock Look up Dear Christine, On the printed index which I have, no particular status is given to Jane. Usually, if a person is a widow/er, it is shown. Bettye Kirkwood ----- Original Message ----- From: "christine charles" To: Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Pembroke Dock Look up > HI > > I wonder if anyone has access to & would be prepared to look up a marriage in Pembroke Dock on > 13th July 1834 between Jane GOODMAN & Wm CRABBE. > > Im particularly interested in Jane's marital status to help solve a mystery > Thankyou so much > Christine in Australia > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Personals > - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:22:13 EST From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [WLS-PEM] Stephen George, Dinas Good evening all, I wonder if anyone can help with the following families. My g.g.grandmother was Elizabeth George, b. c. 1832 Dinas Cross, Pembs. Father, William George, farmer. She married Levi Harries, Master Mariner 28 May 1863. The marriage was witnessed by a Stephen George. The 1851 census shows a possible family for my Elizabeth with a Stephen aged 8 (therefore born c. 1843) in the same household. I have also obtained a marriage certificate for a Stephen George (father William George, farmer) to Mary George (father David George, farmer), parish church Fishguard August 1866 and traced this family on the 1881 and 1901 census. I believe Stephen is the father of Pauline(a) George who taught at Dinas school and married the well-known headteacher there Tom Maurice in 1908. What I am trying to establish is whether this Stephen George is the brother of my Elizabeth George about whom I know very little. I would be delighted to hear from anyone who can spot any links or indeed any glaring errors in the above information. With grateful thanks Heather ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:51:09 EST From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [WLS-PEM] Stephen George, Meline Parish Hi all, I have recently acquired the following birth certificate but don't think it's my chap. Hope the following might be of use to someone out there. Registration District Cardigan Sub district of Newport in the county of Pembroke Stephen George, born 22nd January 1845, Dyfrinbenglog, Meline Parish Father: Daniel George Mother: Rachel George formerly Francis Occupation of father: Farmer Regards Heather --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time!

I've just completed the process of checking each link in the Genuki place name databases for each of my counties. Not as bad as it sounds with broadband. You may be interested in seeing how many separate places are included for each county, there are lots of alternative spellings in there but gives an idea of relative size. CGN 408 CMN 521 PEM 572 GLA 901 I found so few errors, mostly my own, that I have to repeat my thanks to those guys who helped me compile the more accurate 6 figure grid references recently. You did good ! Some more advice on using the links on each parish page. Use the streetmap links for preference, the default first view has more detail on. If the named place isn't shown as such on there, look at the old-maps page, should be named there. Don't forget the enlarged view option on old-maps, most of these 'controls' are hidden below the horizon on my screen. If you use the multimap links, to get more detail click on the 25,000 option, the 50,000 isn't very useful. Also don't forget the bigger map option button on top right. Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Kevin Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: 1. My ggg-grandfather James Jenkins ....married to Elizabeth Davis, also of Carmarthenshire, in May 1842 in Ilston, Glamorganshire. (Free BMD says June 1842; I haven't tried to order any certs yet.) 2. John's daughter Ann had married a John P. Davies and was living in Melynarythan, Neath, Glamorganshire. John went to stay with her in 1887 for "a change of air" because of his sickness. ======================= Dear Kevin, I've picked out just two items from your long e-mail. 1. A marriage in May 1842 is wholly consistent with the FreeBMD entry for June 1842. The latter date indicates that the marriage record is entered in the registrar general's marriage registers covering the June quarter of 1842. The June quarter includes April, May and June. 2. "Melynarythan" is probably a corrupted spelling of Melincryddan (once spelt Melincrythan), an industrial area half a mile to the south west of the centre of Neath. But why anyone would move to the heavily industrialised town of Neath to improve their health is difficult to imagine. With its metal refineries and chemical works belching out their smoke and fumes, 19th century Neath must have been one of the least salubrious places in the whole of South Wales! Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/2003

I've been lurking on the list for the past year, a little too intimidated (and busy with other famhist projects) to enter the discussions. But with the latest mention of the Jenkins name on the Carmarthen list, I decided I should go ahead and post my interests in Carms and Pembrokeshire, even though there's probably no immediate connection. My ggg-grandfather James Jenkins immigrated to America in 1854. Family History says he was born in October 1817 in Llangynin (Llanginning), Carmarthenshire and married to Elizabeth Davis, also of Carmarthenshire, in May 1842 in Ilston, Glamorganshire. (Free BMD says June 1842; I haven't tried to order any certs yet.) The obituary for his oldest child says she was born in 1844 in Cardiff, but the family maintains it was Carmarthen, and the two subsequent children were born in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, according to famhistory. I've wondered if SKS could help me with an 1851 Census look up for them. James' parents were Thomas Jenkin(s) and Mary Thomas. Not much known about them but I've seen a Web site that says Thomas may be the one mentioned in the 1851 Llangynin census as born 1782 in Llanddewi, Pembrokeshire. I'd be grateful for 1841/1851 census information for them as well. James received a letter from his brother John in 1887-1888 that makes reference to John's home at Cilshew Farm in Pembrokeshire, although it appears that's supposed to be Cil-rhiw Farm (transcription error?), which is in the Lampeter Velfrey area, near Llanddewi Velfrey. The 1881 census online mentions a 70-year-old John Jenkins (born Llanboidy, Carms) who was a servant or laborer at Cilrhew Farm. (In one odd USA reference, James said he was born in Lampeter, Pembrokeshire, so there must be some family connection to the area.) John's letter and a subsequent one indicate the following key facts: John and James had a brother Ben who died underground in the Rhondda and a sister, Harriet, who died February 1888 in "the Mote" and was buried "from the Mote." John's son, Caleb, was working in the Rhonnda valley. John's daughter Ann had married a John P. Davies and was living in Melynarythan, Neath, Glamorganshire. John went to stay with her in 1887 for "a change of air" because of his sickness. Ann's husband John Davies had worked for five years with a railroad in New Mexico, USA, but returned home to Wales from 1886 to 1888 to be with his family before again going back to New Mexico. John had six other children who had emigrated to the United States. If any of this coincides with someone else's research, I'd be pleased to hear from you. Kevin Jenkins. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/

Dear Christine I'm guessing you have already seen the Index of Pembrokeshire Marriages 1813 - 1837 available on-line from Carmarthenshire FHS. It includes the marriage of William Crabb (note no "e") and Jane Goodman on the date you have, listing the parish of Pembroke St Mary, which I gather may have covered Pembroke Dock at the time. This index often includes mention of marital status or occupation, but no additional information is included on this occasion, Regards Megan Phelps Sydney, Australia On 30/11/03 7:42 PM, "christine charles" <[email protected]> wrote: > HI > > I wonder if anyone has access to & would be prepared to look up a marriage in > Pembroke Dock on > 13th July 1834 between Jane GOODMAN & Wm CRABBE. > > Im particularly interested in Jane's marital status to help solve a mystery > Thankyou so much > Christine in Australia > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Personals > - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html >

Dear Christine, On the printed index which I have, no particular status is given to Jane. Usually, if a person is a widow/er, it is shown. Bettye Kirkwood ----- Original Message ----- From: "christine charles" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Pembroke Dock Look up > HI > > I wonder if anyone has access to & would be prepared to look up a marriage in Pembroke Dock on > 13th July 1834 between Jane GOODMAN & Wm CRABBE. > > Im particularly interested in Jane's marital status to help solve a mystery > Thankyou so much > Christine in Australia > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Personals > - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html >

HI I wonder if anyone has access to & would be prepared to look up a marriage in Pembroke Dock on 13th July 1834 between Jane GOODMAN & Wm CRABBE. Im particularly interested in Jane's marital status to help solve a mystery Thankyou so much Christine in Australia --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time!

Hi all, I have recently acquired the following birth certificate but don't think it's my chap. Hope the following might be of use to someone out there. Registration District Cardigan Sub district of Newport in the county of Pembroke Stephen George, born 22nd January 1845, Dyfrinbenglog, Meline Parish Father: Daniel George Mother: Rachel George formerly Francis Occupation of father: Farmer Regards Heather

Good evening all, I wonder if anyone can help with the following families. My g.g.grandmother was Elizabeth George, b. c. 1832 Dinas Cross, Pembs. Father, William George, farmer. She married Levi Harries, Master Mariner 28 May 1863. The marriage was witnessed by a Stephen George. The 1851 census shows a possible family for my Elizabeth with a Stephen aged 8 (therefore born c. 1843) in the same household. I have also obtained a marriage certificate for a Stephen George (father William George, farmer) to Mary George (father David George, farmer), parish church Fishguard August 1866 and traced this family on the 1881 and 1901 census. I believe Stephen is the father of Pauline(a) George who taught at Dinas school and married the well-known headteacher there Tom Maurice in 1908. What I am trying to establish is whether this Stephen George is the brother of my Elizabeth George about whom I know very little. I would be delighted to hear from anyone who can spot any links or indeed any glaring errors in the above information. With grateful thanks Heather

I've not read this article mentioned below, but I hope the writers have given some credit to Barb Lavin. I'm not 100% sure, but I think this is the very same Barb Lavin who has done such a great job with the Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania, USA Rootsweb Archives over the years, and seems to be a coordinator for the Wales GenWeb Project. Elida of South Carolina, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:41 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Genuki - cross posting > I can't resist pointing out to Uk listers that Genuki has a full two page > coverage in the current issue (55) of the magazine 'Internet Made Easy'. > > The intro starts out; > "Find thousands of genealogy resources ---This brilliant site is a > must-click for any genealogist........." > > I can't argue with that now can I ?? :-) > > Quite amusing to see that the example search shown in the article has 'Dyfed > Family History Society Alumni Oxoniensis' sitting at the top of the search > results for the search expression 'birth records crawley' ! > > Which gives me the lead-in to remind all listers that the main Genuki search > engine > reached via the Contents button at the top of each Genuki page searches a > database,which apart from Genuki's own pages, also includes the PRO, SoG and > FFHS web sites --- also all the > Family History Society and County Surname Interest List sites linked from > Genuki. > > Gareth > List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > . > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > National Library of Wales > http://www.llgc.org.uk/ >

I hadn't previously spotted this section of the vast but truly wonderful BBC site http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/ Video and audio from the BBC news archive 1950-2002 Use the menu items Years, Themes etc to see what they have for each year from 1950. I know, I know, pity it isn't 1750 --- but it is still really something to view video footage for events even 50 years ago . Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

The message below is 'borrowed' from the Devon list via the Genuki maintainers' list. For those keen 'number crunchers' amongst us I'll mention a different but oddly similar new site run by National Statistics, http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk >I've just had details of this National Lottery-funded site sent to me which >is approaching completion. Although it doesn't cover individuals it should >of interest to anyone who wants to know more about a particular area over a >period of time: > http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk >This site contains information about local areas from the 2001 census, and >from every earlier British census back to 1801. It will contain a systematic >historical gazetteer covering the administrative units of Great Britain over >the last two centuries. > >There are also a number of statistical themes: Population, Life and Death, >Industry, >Work and Poverty, Social Structure, Housing, Learning and Religion. You can, >for example, compare infant mortality in 1851 in your chosen area with >infant mortality in the same area today. Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

I am attempting to find my great-grandmother and her family. I believe she was born in Milford Haven some time between 1859 and 1863. I do know the birth date was 20 May. Her name was Annie Clayton and I believe her parents were named Thomas and Maria. If anyone has access to a census that may have been taken during this time period or any other record that would place her there I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Thank you, Terry Lewis [email protected]

on 27/11/03 5:27 pm, Jon Gould at [email protected] wrote: > Hi, > would SKS be able to do a lookup in the 1841 census please. I'm > looking for William Gould ( Aged 63 ) who was married to Elizabeth ( same > age ). I don't believe William was born in the area. > > Many thanks. > > Regards Jon Gould > Hello Jon They're in Hubberston. HO107/1449/10, Hubberston, folio 19A, page 7 Elizabeth Gould, 63 Elizabeth Gould, 9 William Gould, 63, Block M. Elizabeth snr. and William born outside Pem at HO107/1449/10, Hubberston, folio 11, page 14 John Gould, 5 Margaret Gould, 3 Margaret Gould, 30 [to 34] Thomas Gould, 30 [to 34], Blockmaker all born in Pem are probably related! and at HO107/1449/10, Hubberston, folio 18, page 2 George Gould, 35 [to 39], Blockmaker May Gould, 30 [to 34] are too I guess. Gerry Lewis

http://www.enrichuk.net/ --- the gateway to a lottery-funded collection of 150 sites supported by the New Opportunities Fund. The collection ranges across culture, history, social and economic development, science and art as well as offering regional and national 'sense of place' websites from England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales Clicking on Countries/Wales takes you to a list of links including this one below which I don't recall seeing before; http://www.agor.org.uk/cwm/ Coalfield Web Materials. They've neutered copy/paste on this site so you'll have to read the description for yourselves :-) Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .