Hello, If anyone is researching the family of John EDWARDES, they might be interested in the following item: (please ignore if this is common knowledge) 'In the Middle of the 19th century, a sportsman, from Pembrokeshire, in Wales, set out to develop his idea of a perfect terrier. One that performed equally well as a hunt terrier with a pack of otterhounds, but could also act as a vermin hunter and was small enough to slip down a badger hole. Hunting badgers has long been banned, but there was a time when they were considered as vermina dn rughlessly destroyed by 19th century farmers. The name Sealyham, is after the family estate in Wales of the breeds originator John Edwardes. His selection criteria for his breed was hard, and weeded out those he considered not fit for their role as a working terrier. The result was a strong and pure bloodline that continues until the present. from: www.irishfieldsports.com/sealyham Jenny Australia

Hi Bettye Following my reply to Jenny with census information on-list I've been passing on more info to Jenny off-list. One part was the fact that in 1841 Hermon's Hill was occupied by George Beddoe aged 77 , of Independent means together with 2 other probably unrelated families. I think Martha LLoyd was employed as a servant in this household at the time of her marriage so exploration of owners may be a bit of a red herring!! - but then you never know!!. I am planning to follow up the marriage of Martha to John Taylor so that she can establish her father's name and occupation eventually. Then we can see if one of the possibles that you have provided "fit the bill". I'll keep you posted of any outcome - but it may be a while. Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, BJ & LC Kirkwood <[email protected]> writes >Dear Jenny, > >Pat has supplied you with details of Martha Taylor nee Lloyd as being about >25 years old in 1841, i.e. born somewhere around 1816. > >From the 1813-37 Pembrokeshire marriages index, it is therefore possible >that her parents may be found amongst: > >William Lloyd m. Elizabeth Davies at H/west St.Mary on 04/02/1813 > >George Lloyd Esq. of St. Thomas Haverforwest m. Margaret Jane Harries at >Haverfordwest St. Mary, 02/09/1816. > >Jenkin Lloyd, widower m. Elizabeth Griffiths of H/west St. Mary who married >at H/west St. Martin, 15/09/1816. > >With your information that Martha Lloyd (later Taylor) was of Hermon's Hill >in 1838 (when she'd be about 22)...and mine that Samuel Harries was the >inheritor for his life and he died in 1839 there might be a connection to >the second item. Samuel's son, John Harries (of Trevacoon), was High >Sheriff in 1846 and his wife Martha died in 1872 aged 76, meaning she'd be >born around 1796 so her husband was probably John Harding Harries who >married Martha Williams in 1817...just possibly the brother of the Margaret >Jane above. > >I've copied to Tony James who has done a deal of work on the various Harries >and who might point out if I'm having a Christmas brainstorm....it is quite >late and I've been to two Christmas parties today......no, lemonade only! > >Bettye Kirkwood. -- Pat Powell

Dear Jenny, Pat has supplied you with details of Martha Taylor nee Lloyd as being about 25 years old in 1841, i.e. born somewhere around 1816. From the 1813-37 Pembrokeshire marriages index, it is therefore possible that her parents may be found amongst: William Lloyd m. Elizabeth Davies at H/west St.Mary on 04/02/1813 George Lloyd Esq. of St. Thomas Haverforwest m. Margaret Jane Harries at Haverfordwest St. Mary, 02/09/1816. Jenkin Lloyd, widower m. Elizabeth Griffiths of H/west St. Mary who married at H/west St. Martin, 15/09/1816. With your information that Martha Lloyd (later Taylor) was of Hermon's Hill in 1838 (when she'd be about 22)...and mine that Samuel Harries was the inheritor for his life and he died in 1839 there might be a connection to the second item. Samuel's son, John Harries (of Trevacoon), was High Sheriff in 1846 and his wife Martha died in 1872 aged 76, meaning she'd be born around 1796 so her husband was probably John Harding Harries who married Martha Williams in 1817...just possibly the brother of the Margaret Jane above. I've copied to Tony James who has done a deal of work on the various Harries and who might point out if I'm having a Christmas brainstorm....it is quite late and I've been to two Christmas parties today......no, lemonade only! Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Dempster" <[email protected]> > JOHN TAYLOR was married to MARY DAVIS. The only information I have is that of their son JOHN TAYLOR b. cir 1814 married to MARTHA LLOYD. They were married 1838, hverfordwest, Pem. At the time of marriage Martha's residence was Hermons Hill. I have also been told that Martha was related to the LLOYDs of London and received an annuity from them each year.

on 16/12/03 3:51 am, Jenny Dempster at [email protected] wrote: > Hello, I hope someone can help me. I have a location on a marriage certificate > of Sealyham, Parish of. St. Dogwells. And also Parish of St. Theresa, Church > of England. Does anyone know if that would be in Haverfordwest. thanks > Jenny Dempster, Mlbourne, Australia Hello Jenny The only St.Theresa (or similar) in the Wales Post Office Code Book (which admittedly is the situation now, and not in the 19th Century) is a St.Thereses Presbytery in Port Talbot in Glamorgan. The Roman Catholic convent in Fishguard is, I've just discovered in the South West Wales telephone book, called St.Theresa or St.Teresa. That's not a parish though. I don't think there can be very many, if any, parishes or parish churches (Church of England) called St.Theresa. It tends to be a Roman Catholic name. Gerry Lewis

on 15/12/03 8:26 pm, Fee Manley at [email protected] wrote: > Hello, > > I wonder if anyone on the list has an interest in CURTIS'S from > HAVERFORDWEST? > > > I am researching on behalf of a friend whose paternal grandmother was SUSAN > J M CURTIS born around 1896, married William Hannaford from Devon 1914, > died 1946 - all registered at Haverfordwest. > > I am awating a certificate to find out more. > > Yours hopefully, > > Fee, Bristol Hello Fee No Curtises or Hannifords living in or around Haverfordwest in the 1891 census. The 1901 census may provide a clue. Gerry Lewis

Hello Jenny Here is the entry from the 1841 census - the line / shows the end of the main household family - so John & Martha and sons were either living in part of the house or living as lodgers I would guess . It's difficult in 1841 as you don't get any relationship information ( and no birthplace other than Y for born in county) 1841 census Haverfordwest parish of St Martins Folio 15 page 23 City Road Mary Thomas 35 Y Margaretta Thomas 13 Y John Thomas 10 Y / John Taylor 25 M.S. Y Martha Taylor 25 Y James Taylor 2 Y John Taylor 1 Y The only otherTaylor in the Haverfordwest area is a Mary Taylor - so possibly John's mother she is living in someone e;se's household as shown below:- Haverfordwest St Martin Folio 7 page 7 No 11 Barn Street. George Morgan 25 mason Y Elizabeth Morgan 30 Y Mary Morgan 4 Y George Morgan 3 Y John Morgan (can't see if it's 3 days, 3 wks or 3 mths) Y / David Lloyd 40 M.S. Y Mary Taylor 55 Ind Y Looking at the online IGI I see thee are the christenings of sons John & James - Have you see them? JOHN LLOYD TAYLOR Male Christening: 21 SEP 1840 Saint Thomas, Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales Parents: Father: JOHN TAYLOR Mother: MARTHA Source Information: Batch No.: C081091 1813 - 1873 0105143 Film 1238648 Film JAMES LLOYD TAYLOR Male Christening: 20 OCT 1839 Saint Thomas, Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales Parents: Father: JOHN TAYLOR Family Mother: MARTHA Source Information: Batch No.: C081091 1813 - 1873 0105143 Film 1238648 Film That's all for now Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, Jenny Dempster <[email protected]> writes >I have noticed quite a few postings lately on the surname DAVIS. i have paid >much attention as this was not a name of interest to my research. However I >have >just found that my ancestor >JOHN TAYLOR was married to MARY DAVIS. The only information I have is that of >their son JOHN TAYLOR b. cir 1814 married to MARTHA LLOYD. They were married >1838, hverfordwest, Pem. At the time of marriage Martha's residence was Hermons >Hill. I have also been told that Martha was related to the LLOYDs of London and >received an annuity from them each year. I would appreciate contact with >anyone >with further details of this family. >Jenny Dempster, Melbourne, Australia > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

Dear Jenny, The Tuckers and the Tucker-Edwards were of Sealyham......can't help you with the Parish of St. Theresa though. Haverfordwest has St. Thomas, St. Martin and St. Mary parishes, haven't heard of the other one. If there is not a Tucker or an Edwards on the certificate, perhaps it was the marriage of a servant on the estate. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Dempster" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:51 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] St dogwell > Hello, I hope someone can help me. I have a location on a marriage certificate of Sealyham, Parish of. St. Dogwells. And also Parish of St. Theresa, Church of England. Does anyone know if that would be in Haverfordwest. thanks > Jenny Dempster, Mlbourne, Australia > t > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >

Hello, I hope someone can help me. I have a location on a marriage certificate of Sealyham, Parish of. St. Dogwells. And also Parish of St. Theresa, Church of England. Does anyone know if that would be in Haverfordwest. thanks Jenny Dempster, Mlbourne, Australia t

Dear Jenny, Your story about the Lloyds of London may be perfectly true. I hope it is, and we can all learn about it. However, I have heard something similar from an American about his own North Pemb. Welsh Lloyd ancestry and know, from my own research, that what is passed down as "family legend" often only contains a grain of truth. I look forward to someone providing census information for John Taylor and his wife Martha. Hermon's Hill, Haverfordwest, as shown in Major Jones "Pemb. Historic Homes and their families" does not provide much in the way of clues. However "in 1808 Mrs. Bassett, then of Neath, widow, and her kinsman John Herbert Lloyd of Plas Cilyhebyth (Glam.) granted a lease of Hermon's Hill to Henry Rees Gent of Haverfordwest". When Mrs. Bassett died in 1828 she devised the property to the Harries of Trevacoon. In the Rhos Hundred marriage index, a John Taylor in 1808 married Mary Cole at Steynton and a Thomas Taylor in 1804 married Mary Collins at Haverfordwest St. Martin but there is no John Taylor/Tailor married to Mary Davis shown here. An 1838 marriage certificate give you the name of the bride's father and confirm that of the groom's. Bettye Kirkwood, Sydney. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Dempster" <[email protected]> ......... > JOHN TAYLOR was married to MARY DAVIS. The only information I have is that of their son JOHN TAYLOR b. cir 1814 married to MARTHA LLOYD. They were married 1838, hverfordwest, Pem. At the time of marriage Martha's residence was Hermons Hill. I have also been told that Martha was related to the LLOYDs of London and received an annuity from them each year. I would appreciate contact with anyone with further details of this family. > Jenny Dempster, Melbourne, Australia

I have noticed quite a few postings lately on the surname DAVIS. i have paid much attention as this was not a name of interest to my research. However I have just found that my ancestor JOHN TAYLOR was married to MARY DAVIS. The only information I have is that of their son JOHN TAYLOR b. cir 1814 married to MARTHA LLOYD. They were married 1838, hverfordwest, Pem. At the time of marriage Martha's residence was Hermons Hill. I have also been told that Martha was related to the LLOYDs of London and received an annuity from them each year. I would appreciate contact with anyone with further details of this family. Jenny Dempster, Melbourne, Australia

Hello, I wonder if anyone on the list has an interest in CURTIS'S from HAVERFORDWEST? I am researching on behalf of a friend whose paternal grandmother was SUSAN J M CURTIS born around 1896, married William Hannaford from Devon 1914, died 1946 - all registered at Haverfordwest. I am awating a certificate to find out more. Yours hopefully, Fee, Bristol

Dear James, The marriage may have taken place in Cardiganshire because I could not find them in the 1813-37 Pembrokeshire marriage index. A Benjamin Morris married a Mary Morris in 1835. Do you know where in Pembrokeshire David Morris was born? Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Evans" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:53 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Marriage, David MORRIS and Mary MORRIS, c. 1825-30 > Dear List, > > I'm looking for a marriage of a David MORRIS (born Pembs.) and Mary MORRIS (born Cardigan) circa 1825-1830. It may have taken place in Pembs. near the border with Cardiganshire. Can anyone help? > > Best wishes > James Phillips-Evans > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ >

Dear List, I'm looking for a marriage of a David MORRIS (born Pembs.) and Mary MORRIS (born Cardigan) circa 1825-1830. It may have taken place in Pembs. near the border with Cardiganshire. Can anyone help? Best wishes James Phillips-Evans

Well, my copy has arrived - and jolly interesting it looks too. The author has agreed that I can produce an online index for it so that will now fill my computer time as an enforced break from the ongoing work of extracting trade directories onto the Genuki pages. But this message is really a disguised seasonal rallying call for my (our?) book indexing project :-) Have a look and see whether your hoped for Xmas present book will fit in. After all, there can't be many opportunites left to join that very select band of Dyfed and Glamorgan lists book indexers ! http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks1a.html#Indexing Apart from the above book the other ongoing items that I am aware of are; <Mike Doyle is doing The History of Clydach <Pat Powell is doing The History of the Methodists in CMN <Laura Pryse is doing The People of the Covenant:The History of Galilee Baptist Church, Llangwm (1830-1988) Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <[email protected]> To: "Dyfed" <[email protected]> Cc: "CGN" <[email protected]>; "PEM" <[email protected]>; "Glam" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: 'The Cambrian' Bi-Centeneray book - cross posting > Further to my original message (below), this new book is now available and > here are the up to date purchase details. > Don't forget that proceeds are going to charity. > > Postal ordering with sterling cheques or similar made payable to 'MIND in > Dacorum' should be sent to;- > > Glynden Trollope > Orchard Cottage Shenstone Hill Berkhamsted Herts HP4 2PA > (01442) 863754 > > Or by sending VISA etc details and expiry date by e-mail or if preferred by > phone to Glynden's local and reliable independent bookshop which is not > charging any commission for this service or on sales. > They have already transacted with NZ and USA in this way if sterling cheques > are not available. > <[email protected]> (01442) 864559 > > Glynden can usually arrange delivery post free in Swansea, Neath, Llanelly > and > Llandilo areas; Ealing S & E Bucks and W. Herts. > When someone orders they need postal address, 'phone number &, if available > e-mail address. They may be > able to make other post free deliveries. > > The book costs £12 (GBP12) plus p&p. > The book weighs 1.2 Kilos and costs more in p&p than first envisaged. > UK p&p £4.50 > Overseas p&p : Surface all destinations - £5; Airmail - Aus & NZ - £12; > USA - £11. > > Any queries direct to Glynden please at [email protected] > > > Gareth > List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gareth" <[email protected]> > To: "Dyfed" <[email protected]> > Cc: "CGN" <[email protected]>; "PEM" > <[email protected]>; "Glam" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 5:50 PM > Subject: 'The Cambrian' Bi-Centeneray - cross posting > > > > In the latest Dyfed FHS journal is mentioned that a book by Glynden > Trollope > > is to be published in November to celebrate the 200th anniversary of 'The > > Cambrian' , the first English language newspaper to be published in Wales, > > launched in Swansea in 1804. The book has c 600 extracts from the > newspaper. > > It is to be launched by Roy Noble, BBC presenter, in Swansea on 12th > > November. > > > > The cost of the book will be GBP12 plus GBP3 postage (in UK I presume) - > or > > can be collected from Swansea or Llanelli. > > All proceeds are to be donated to the charity 'MIND in Dacorum' (based in > > Hemel Hempstead, Herts) or shared with other participating charities. > > > > I have registered my own interest at the email address provided > > [email protected] > > The director of MIND in Dacorum is Julie Attree, my initial email has > > produced a snail mail response from Glynden Trollope saying that she is > > currently away and will email out further purchase/delivery details in due > > course, there will also soon be a web site. > > If any one else is interested I suggest you reserve a copy at the above > > email address. > > > > > > Gareth > > List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM > > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > > Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > . > > >

Hi, I would like to request a look up for William BOWEN age 32 Born Salford, Lancashire. Most likely at St. Mary's, Pembroke dock.

Hi to all Pem. Listers, I'll be out of town for a couple of days and away from my computer. I am delighted wih the assistance I have been receiving and the interest that Isaac PHILLIPS/PHILLIPPS/PHILIPPS has received and is receiving. I intend to follow up on leads supplied although there could be difficulties with payment of fees for some of the documents when there is no way to convert dollars to pounds. From this end I still have problems linking up Isaac PHILLIPS (father) with James PHILLIPS (son). James' died in Wilkes-Barre, PA in Aug 1907. His Death Certificate does not supply his dob. It gives his age as 66 which means he was born in 1841. Cemetery records also show a birth year as 1841. James' Marriage Certificate, which identifies James' father as Isaac, gives his age at the time of his marriage to Sarah Davies on 24 July 1858, as 21 which would fix his birth year as 1837 as does the 1861 Census 4088 from SOUTH NEATH HIGHER. R.G. 9/4088 E.D. 3B. Piece: 4088 Folio: 050 Schedule:171. Maybe the discrepancies in the year of birth aren't serious, but they are problematical. Other evidence, e.g., the Census of 1861 which enumerates James and his wife and two of their three children including my great grandfather, John Phillips and his sister Harriet, are compelling. I seem to have run on here. I hope I haven't confused matters more than they are but now you know where I'm coming from and what I'm looking for. Maybe there is more to look for or maybe the listing of 1841 Jeffreyston Folio 13 page 19 is the only census listing that has an Isaac Phillips and a James Phillips under the same roof and that part of my search is over. Comments or questions from interested parties are welcome. Talk to you in a few days. -- Wayne E. Phillips Chester, VA 23836 [email protected] > Content-Type: text/plain > > WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 327 > > Today's Topics: > #1 RE: [WLS-PEM] Re: Isaac and James ["kce" <[email protected]>] > #2 [WLS-PEM] More re Isaac and James [Pat Powell <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-D list administrator, send mail to > [email protected] > ______________________________ > X-Message: #1 > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:01:16 -0000 > From: "kce" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [WLS-PEM] Re: Isaac and James PHILLIPS 1851 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi Pat, > > I don't have the marriage certificate, but I believe that Harriet was very > possibly nee James before she became Phillips and subsequently Thomas.At the > moment it is just a strong theory I have but this is how I see it:- > Harriet is a brother to Henry James who marries my my GGGGGrandmother, Sarah > Belth(Belt used to be spelt like this)nee Cole in 1825. Sarah had 5 children > by her first marriage(William Belth)i.e James,Elizabeth,Sarah, William and > John. She also had one child, Charlotte by her marriage to Henry James.Sarah > died in 1830 survived by her Belt offspring,Charlotte and Henry. > > Between 1824 and 1830 probably the Belth children remained in the knew > "James" household certainly John, William and Sarah as they would have only > been approximately 8,12 and 16 respectively by the time their mother died in > 1830.Also a close relationship would have probably developed between > Charlotte and her half siblings especially John as they would have been the > youngest in the household. > > The question arises, what happened to the children when Henry and his new > wife moved to Caldy Island? > Certainly by the 1841 census the family had "broken up" i.e. John is living > with the Athoe family in Jeffreston, Sarah is living with an Edwards family > and Elizabeth is living in St Florence, but in the years prior to that I > suppose anything is possible. > Did Henry move in the mid 1830's and leave the BELTH children in the care of > Harriet Phillips(nee James) and become their "adopted mother" this seems > very likely as we know there is a link between Harriet Phillips and the > Belth's through Sarah(Henry James's stepdaughter)her illegitimate daughter > Sarah(b 1845) and later her illegitimate daughter Harriet(born 1869)-all a > little confusing with the name Sarah and illegitimate births. > This is about how far I got with this line of thought, possibly the will of > Isaac Phillips may reveal some further links but I have yet to locate and > obtain a copy to see if there is anything in there. > > Hope this makes some sense to you - certainly had me confused for a while > > Please keep in touch (an vice versa)if anything else is uncovered > > Regards > Kevin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Powell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 09 December 2003 12:46 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Re: Isaac and James PHILLIPS 1851 > > > Hello Kevin > > I wondered about that family because of the presence of Humphrey in > 1851. > Do you have the marriage certificate for Harriet and John Thomas? > Does it give her name as Phillips formerly James? > > Does it give her father as David James ? In which case Priscilla James > in the 1841 would be her mother (see the marriage given by Bettye) > > Cheers > > Pat > > > > > In message <[email protected]>, kce > <[email protected]> writes > >Hi all, > >If it is this Isaac Phillips then I would be interested to hear more - > there > >is a link to my Belt family research with this family - through Harriet who > >later marries a John Thomas and the Belt and Philips surnames appear as > >grandchildren to Harriet in a later census(1851) > >Any info appreciated. > >Regards > >Kevin > > > -- > Pat Powell > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > ______________________________ > X-Message: #2 > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:26:27 +0000 > From: Pat Powell <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Subject: [WLS-PEM] More re Isaac and James PHILLIPS 1851 > > Hi Kevin > > Thanks for the extra information. > > I see from the FreeBMD there is a death of an Isaac Phillips registered > in Narberth in the second quarter of 1843 ref 26/441 > > Also there on the wills list there is > > PHILIPPS Isaac Jeffreston, Pembs 177 1843 > > > Let us know if you follow this up - or Wayne - if you do. > > Cheers > > Pat > > > In message <[email protected]>, kce > <[email protected]> writes > >Hi Pat, > > > >I don't have the marriage certificate, but I believe that Harriet was very > >possibly nee James before she became Phillips and subsequently Thomas.At the > >moment it is just a strong theory I have but this is how I see it:- > >Harriet is a brother to Henry James who marries my my GGGGGrandmother, Sarah > >Belth(Belt used to be spelt like this)nee Cole in 1825. Sarah had 5 children > >by her first marriage(William Belth)i.e James,Elizabeth,Sarah, William and > >John. She also had one child, Charlotte by her marriage to Henry James.Sarah > >died in 1830 survived by her Belt offspring,Charlotte and Henry. > > > >Between 1824 and 1830 probably the Belth children remained in the knew > >"James" household certainly John, William and Sarah as they would have only > >been approximately 8,12 and 16 respectively by the time their mother died in > >1830.Also a close relationship would have probably developed between > >Charlotte and her half siblings especially John as they would have been the > >youngest in the household. > > > >The question arises, what happened to the children when Henry and his new > >wife moved to Caldy Island? > >Certainly by the 1841 census the family had "broken up" i.e. John is living > >with the Athoe family in Jeffreston, Sarah is living with an Edwards family > >and Elizabeth is living in St Florence, but in the years prior to that I > >suppose anything is possible. > >Did Henry move in the mid 1830's and leave the BELTH children in the care of > >Harriet Phillips(nee James) and become their "adopted mother" this seems > >very likely as we know there is a link between Harriet Phillips and the > >Belth's through Sarah(Henry James's stepdaughter)her illegitimate daughter > >Sarah(b 1845) and later her illegitimate daughter Harriet(born 1869)-all a > >little confusing with the name Sarah and illegitimate births. > >This is about how far I got with this line of thought, possibly the will of > >Isaac Phillips may reveal some further links but I have yet to locate and > >obtain a copy to see if there is anything in there. > > > >Hope this makes some sense to you - certainly had me confused for a while > > > >Please keep in touch (an vice versa)if anything else is uncovered > > > >Regards > >Kevin > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Pat Powell [mailto:[email protected]] > >Sent: 09 December 2003 12:46 > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Re: Isaac and James PHILLIPS 1851 > > > > > >Hello Kevin > > > >I wondered about that family because of the presence of Humphrey in > >1851. > >Do you have the marriage certificate for Harriet and John Thomas? > >Does it give her name as Phillips formerly James? > > > >Does it give her father as David James ? In which case Priscilla James > >in the 1841 would be her mother (see the marriage given by Bettye) > > > >Cheers > > > >Pat > > > > > > > > > >In message <[email protected]>, kce > ><[email protected]> writes > >>Hi all, > >>If it is this Isaac Phillips then I would be interested to hear more - > >there > >>is a link to my Belt family research with this family - through Harriet who > >>later marries a John Thomas and the Belt and Philips surnames appear as > >>grandchildren to Harriet in a later census(1851) > >>Any info appreciated. > >>Regards > >>Kevin > >> > >-- > >Pat Powell > > > > > >==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > >South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > > > > -- > Pat Powell

Hi Cate, Haven't explored the Cole family, but as always it is a possibilty I've been on the backburner for a while but I hope to get started again this weekend so I'll keep you informed of any progress. Regards Kevin -----Original Message----- From: cate [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 11 December 2003 12:35 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [WLS-PEM] Re: Isaac and James PHILLIPS 1851 Sorry to butt in on this correspondence, but just spotted the COLE which Sarah was by birth. My ggg-grandmother was born Hannah Cole, who married Benjamin MORGAN in 1814 in Reynalton and then settled in Begelly and Wooden, St Issells. Through guesswork, Hannah's parents may be John Cole and Elizabeth Thomas who were married in 1794 in Begelly, but I have yet to prove that. Just wondering whether there could be any link between our COLEs? Cate Date sent: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:01:16 -0000 From: "kce" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [WLS-PEM] Re: Isaac and James PHILLIPS 1851 > Hi Pat, > > I don't have the marriage certificate, but I believe that Harriet was very > possibly nee James before she became Phillips and subsequently Thomas.At the > moment it is just a strong theory I have but this is how I see it:- > Harriet is a brother to Henry James who marries my my GGGGGrandmother, Sarah > Belth(Belt used to be spelt like this)nee Cole in 1825. Sarah had 5 children > by her first marriage(William Belth)i.e James,Elizabeth,Sarah, William and > John. She also had one child, Charlotte by her marriage to Henry James.Sarah > died in 1830 survived by her Belt offspring,Charlotte and Henry. > > Between 1824 and 1830 probably the Belth children remained in the knew > "James" household certainly John, William and Sarah as they would have only > been approximately 8,12 and 16 respectively by the time their mother died in > 1830.Also a close relationship would have probably developed between > Charlotte and her half siblings especially John as they would have been the > youngest in the household. > > The question arises, what happened to the children when Henry and his new > wife moved to Caldy Island? > Certainly by the 1841 census the family had "broken up" i.e. John is living > with the Athoe family in Jeffreston, Sarah is living with an Edwards family > and Elizabeth is living in St Florence, but in the years prior to that I > suppose anything is possible. > Did Henry move in the mid 1830's and leave the BELTH children in the care of > Harriet Phillips(nee James) and become their "adopted mother" this seems > very likely as we know there is a link between Harriet Phillips and the > Belth's through Sarah(Henry James's stepdaughter)her illegitimate daughter > Sarah(b 1845) and later her illegitimate daughter Harriet(born 1869)-all a > little confusing with the name Sarah and illegitimate births. > This is about how far I got with this line of thought, possibly the will of > Isaac Phillips may reveal some further links but I have yet to locate and > obtain a copy to see if there is anything in there. > > Hope this makes some sense to you - certainly had me confused for a while > > Please keep in touch (an vice versa)if anything else is uncovered > > Regards > Kevin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Powell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 09 December 2003 12:46 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Re: Isaac and James PHILLIPS 1851 > > > Hello Kevin > > I wondered about that family because of the presence of Humphrey in > 1851. > Do you have the marriage certificate for Harriet and John Thomas? > Does it give her name as Phillips formerly James? > > Does it give her father as David James ? In which case Priscilla James > in the 1841 would be her mother (see the marriage given by Bettye) > > Cheers > > Pat > > > > > In message <[email protected]>, kce > <[email protected]> writes > >Hi all, > >If it is this Isaac Phillips then I would be interested to hear more - > there > >is a link to my Belt family research with this family - through Harriet who > >later marries a John Thomas and the Belt and Philips surnames appear as > >grandchildren to Harriet in a later census(1851) > >Any info appreciated. > >Regards > >Kevin > > > -- > Pat Powell > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > > ______________________________ ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== Rootsweb list archives[threaded] http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLSPembrokeshire-L/

Sorry to butt in on this correspondence, but just spotted the COLE which Sarah was by birth. My ggg-grandmother was born Hannah Cole, who married Benjamin MORGAN in 1814 in Reynalton and then settled in Begelly and Wooden, St Issells. Through guesswork, Hannah's parents may be John Cole and Elizabeth Thomas who were married in 1794 in Begelly, but I have yet to prove that. Just wondering whether there could be any link between our COLEs? Cate Date sent: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:01:16 -0000 From: "kce" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [WLS-PEM] Re: Isaac and James PHILLIPS 1851 > Hi Pat, > > I don't have the marriage certificate, but I believe that Harriet was very > possibly nee James before she became Phillips and subsequently Thomas.At the > moment it is just a strong theory I have but this is how I see it:- > Harriet is a brother to Henry James who marries my my GGGGGrandmother, Sarah > Belth(Belt used to be spelt like this)nee Cole in 1825. Sarah had 5 children > by her first marriage(William Belth)i.e James,Elizabeth,Sarah, William and > John. She also had one child, Charlotte by her marriage to Henry James.Sarah > died in 1830 survived by her Belt offspring,Charlotte and Henry. > > Between 1824 and 1830 probably the Belth children remained in the knew > "James" household certainly John, William and Sarah as they would have only > been approximately 8,12 and 16 respectively by the time their mother died in > 1830.Also a close relationship would have probably developed between > Charlotte and her half siblings especially John as they would have been the > youngest in the household. > > The question arises, what happened to the children when Henry and his new > wife moved to Caldy Island? > Certainly by the 1841 census the family had "broken up" i.e. John is living > with the Athoe family in Jeffreston, Sarah is living with an Edwards family > and Elizabeth is living in St Florence, but in the years prior to that I > suppose anything is possible. > Did Henry move in the mid 1830's and leave the BELTH children in the care of > Harriet Phillips(nee James) and become their "adopted mother" this seems > very likely as we know there is a link between Harriet Phillips and the > Belth's through Sarah(Henry James's stepdaughter)her illegitimate daughter > Sarah(b 1845) and later her illegitimate daughter Harriet(born 1869)-all a > little confusing with the name Sarah and illegitimate births. > This is about how far I got with this line of thought, possibly the will of > Isaac Phillips may reveal some further links but I have yet to locate and > obtain a copy to see if there is anything in there. > > Hope this makes some sense to you - certainly had me confused for a while > > Please keep in touch (an vice versa)if anything else is uncovered > > Regards > Kevin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Powell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 09 December 2003 12:46 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Re: Isaac and James PHILLIPS 1851 > > > Hello Kevin > > I wondered about that family because of the presence of Humphrey in > 1851. > Do you have the marriage certificate for Harriet and John Thomas? > Does it give her name as Phillips formerly James? > > Does it give her father as David James ? In which case Priscilla James > in the 1841 would be her mother (see the marriage given by Bettye) > > Cheers > > Pat > > > > > In message <[email protected]>, kce > <[email protected]> writes > >Hi all, > >If it is this Isaac Phillips then I would be interested to hear more - > there > >is a link to my Belt family research with this family - through Harriet who > >later marries a John Thomas and the Belt and Philips surnames appear as > >grandchildren to Harriet in a later census(1851) > >Any info appreciated. > >Regards > >Kevin > > > -- > Pat Powell > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > > ______________________________

Hello All As I plan to `unsubscribe' and to end the fruitless search for the specific birthplace of my GGGrandfather James Lewis and my GGrandfather Thomas William Davies, both of whom emigrated from Wales to Canada in the mid 1800s. As a final message, I beg your indulgence to say: - To those who have put themselves out to assist me in my searches, I send a huge `thank you' with deep appreciation. - To those who have befriended me along the way and who have continued a personal correspondence, you know how I feel about each of you. - To those I may have offended along the way, I say `sorry', I meant you no personal harm. Sometimes, we simply disagreed. ` To those who get the message more than once because of cross-posting, I beg your indulgence. Please this once, just use your `trash' button. - To every member of the list and to their family members, I send best wishes for the holiday season. May our Lord bless each and every one of you and keep you well throughout the coming year. Happy Holidays. Happy hunting. Goodbye. Ron Davies Surrey, BC Canada

Hi Kevin Thanks for the extra information. I see from the FreeBMD there is a death of an Isaac Phillips registered in Narberth in the second quarter of 1843 ref 26/441 Also there on the wills list there is PHILIPPS Isaac Jeffreston, Pembs 177 1843 Let us know if you follow this up - or Wayne - if you do. Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, kce <[email protected]> writes >Hi Pat, > >I don't have the marriage certificate, but I believe that Harriet was very >possibly nee James before she became Phillips and subsequently Thomas.At the >moment it is just a strong theory I have but this is how I see it:- >Harriet is a brother to Henry James who marries my my GGGGGrandmother, Sarah >Belth(Belt used to be spelt like this)nee Cole in 1825. Sarah had 5 children >by her first marriage(William Belth)i.e James,Elizabeth,Sarah, William and >John. She also had one child, Charlotte by her marriage to Henry James.Sarah >died in 1830 survived by her Belt offspring,Charlotte and Henry. > >Between 1824 and 1830 probably the Belth children remained in the knew >"James" household certainly John, William and Sarah as they would have only >been approximately 8,12 and 16 respectively by the time their mother died in >1830.Also a close relationship would have probably developed between >Charlotte and her half siblings especially John as they would have been the >youngest in the household. > >The question arises, what happened to the children when Henry and his new >wife moved to Caldy Island? >Certainly by the 1841 census the family had "broken up" i.e. John is living >with the Athoe family in Jeffreston, Sarah is living with an Edwards family >and Elizabeth is living in St Florence, but in the years prior to that I >suppose anything is possible. >Did Henry move in the mid 1830's and leave the BELTH children in the care of >Harriet Phillips(nee James) and become their "adopted mother" this seems >very likely as we know there is a link between Harriet Phillips and the >Belth's through Sarah(Henry James's stepdaughter)her illegitimate daughter >Sarah(b 1845) and later her illegitimate daughter Harriet(born 1869)-all a >little confusing with the name Sarah and illegitimate births. >This is about how far I got with this line of thought, possibly the will of >Isaac Phillips may reveal some further links but I have yet to locate and >obtain a copy to see if there is anything in there. > >Hope this makes some sense to you - certainly had me confused for a while > >Please keep in touch (an vice versa)if anything else is uncovered > >Regards >Kevin > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pat Powell [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: 09 December 2003 12:46 >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Re: Isaac and James PHILLIPS 1851 > > >Hello Kevin > >I wondered about that family because of the presence of Humphrey in >1851. >Do you have the marriage certificate for Harriet and John Thomas? >Does it give her name as Phillips formerly James? > >Does it give her father as David James ? In which case Priscilla James >in the 1841 would be her mother (see the marriage given by Bettye) > >Cheers > >Pat > > > > >In message <[email protected]>, kce ><[email protected]> writes >>Hi all, >>If it is this Isaac Phillips then I would be interested to hear more - >there >>is a link to my Belt family research with this family - through Harriet who >>later marries a John Thomas and the Belt and Philips surnames appear as >>grandchildren to Harriet in a later census(1851) >>Any info appreciated. >>Regards >>Kevin >> >-- >Pat Powell > > >==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== >South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > -- Pat Powell