Hello Kevin Thanks very much for all the info - I thin I've solved the "Mote" puzzle. I'm intrigued at the marriage of James and Elizabeth taking place in the Gower (i.e at Ilston) . Can you give me all the details from the marriage certificate? meanwhile:- I think the marriage you mentioned already of Thomas Jenkins and Mary Thomas in Llanboidy on May 9th 1805 seems a very good possibility. Looking at then in Llanginning in the 1841 and 1851 census they are shown in 1841 to be living in a house cale "Mote" !!! In 1851 it is written as Mott. This could be the place referred to in relation to Harriet rather than the one in Pembrokeshire. Which as the Harriet Jenkins you pointed to in 1881 was born in Llanboidy but living in Llanginning things could be falling into place. The question is was Harriet really a widow and therefor a sister in law? or was the W either wrong or a mis-transcription? I have certainly had wrong marital status given to people in my family at times. For your info - in case you don't have the full entries are the ones from Llanginning. 1841 enumdist 12 page 8 Mote Thomas Jenkins 55 Ag lab Mary Jenkins 55 Elizabeh Jenkins 10 (Note there is a Hannah Jenkins 35 Ind living in the next house) 1851 Mott Thomas Jenkins H M 69 Ag Lab Llandewy velfrey Mary Jenkins wi M 70 Llanginning. All for now Pat In message <[email protected]>, Kevin D Jenkins <[email protected]> writes >Pat: > >Thanks for your interest. I posted some of these >details a few weeks ago, but I'll try to concisely >offer pertinent information here. > >My ggg grandfather was James Jenkins: >Born 1817 in Llangynin, Carm. >Married 1842 in Ilston, Glam, to Elizabeth Davis of >Llangan, Carm. (Her father of Llanboidy, Carm., her >mother of Mydrim/Meidrim, Carm.) >Children born 1844 to 1848 in Llanelly, Carms. >Family sailed 1854 to United States. >In one U.S. record, differing from other records, >James said he was born in 1818 in Lampeter Velfrey, >Pem. > >John Jenkins, brother to James: >Born 1811 in Llanboidy, Carm. (surmised) >Letter from John to James 1887 & 1888, John in Neath, >Glam., visiting daughter's family. Visiting from >Cilshew (surmised: Cil-rhiw, farm SW of Lampeter >Velfrey, Pem.) >1881 Census mentions a John Jenkins, servant/labourer, >at Cil-rhiw, Lampeter Velfrey, Pem., born 1811 >Llanboidy. >John's family information unknown, beyond daughter and >her husband's name. > >Harriet, sister to James, mentioned in John's letter: >Died about February 1888 after living "in the Mote." >Buried "from the Mote." >1881 Census mentions a Harriet Jenkins, widow, in >Llanboidy, Carm, who was born in Llanboidy in 1805. >I have no other family information on her. > >Another brother, Ben, died underground in the Rhondda, >according to the letter. > >According to James, his parents were Thomas Jenkins >and Mary Thomas. (I don't know where he recorded this >information; family passed it down): >One researcher of unknown relation (taken from Web >site) used 1841 and 1851 census, believes Thomas is >the one born/christened 1782 in Llanddewi Velfrey, >Pem., Mary born in Llangynin. >Same researcher believes Thomas and Mary the ones >married 1805 in Llanboidy, Carm., which might make >Harriet the oldest child if she could be the widow >mentioned in the 1881 census. >Same researcher believes Thomas' father was a Thomas >also, born in Lampeter Velfrey about 1756, died >Llangynin possibly 1793, but those appear to be >guesswork. > >Thanks again for your response. > >Kevin. > > > >--- Pat Powell <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello Kevin >> >> I would like to help you as I am often following up >> my family around >> that area. My greatgrandfather was born in Mote >> which usually stands for >> New Moat - but occasionally for Henry's Mote. > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- Pat Powell

Hi all, Would it be at all possible for SKS to check any records for us in connection with William and Martha THOMAS who are shown in the 1881 census as living at Woodside, Llangwm (Both shown as being born in Llangwm). William was born approx 1850 and Martha approx 1853. William and Martha have been a 'brickwall' to us for some time - being the great grandparents of my wife Yvonne. We believe the couple above to be William THOMAS who married Martha JENKINS and who later moved to Glamorgan, but we have been unable to confirm this. Does anyone have access to 1861 or 1871 censuses for Llangwm which might show our William THOMAS or Martha JENKINS before they married. Secondly, are there any marriage records anyone may have which may show a marriage of William THOMAS to Martha JENKINS in Llangwm? Taking into account their ages, I can only assume they were probably married between approx 1871 and the1881 census. I have searched all resources on the web to no avail - freebmd and familysearch igi to name just two, but the brickwall just will not crumble. If this appeal fails, the only thing left for us is a long drive up from Devon to try the records office. Many many thanks in anticipation of any clues anyone might be able to provide! Regards from Dave in sunny (not) Paignton, Devon.

Hi Kevin, One local MI from the area, Llanfallteg/Llandewi-velfrey. GRIFFITH JENKINS = ELIZABETH ? Born c. 1774 Born c. 1787. Died 11 JUN 1839 (55) Died 14 AUG 1839 (52) Lived at Trevaughane Mill. Might be of interest. John Spencer.

Pat: Thanks for your interest. I posted some of these details a few weeks ago, but I'll try to concisely offer pertinent information here. My ggg grandfather was James Jenkins: Born 1817 in Llangynin, Carm. Married 1842 in Ilston, Glam, to Elizabeth Davis of Llangan, Carm. (Her father of Llanboidy, Carm., her mother of Mydrim/Meidrim, Carm.) Children born 1844 to 1848 in Llanelly, Carms. Family sailed 1854 to United States. In one U.S. record, differing from other records, James said he was born in 1818 in Lampeter Velfrey, Pem. John Jenkins, brother to James: Born 1811 in Llanboidy, Carm. (surmised) Letter from John to James 1887 & 1888, John in Neath, Glam., visiting daughter's family. Visiting from Cilshew (surmised: Cil-rhiw, farm SW of Lampeter Velfrey, Pem.) 1881 Census mentions a John Jenkins, servant/labourer, at Cil-rhiw, Lampeter Velfrey, Pem., born 1811 Llanboidy. John's family information unknown, beyond daughter and her husband's name. Harriet, sister to James, mentioned in John's letter: Died about February 1888 after living "in the Mote." Buried "from the Mote." 1881 Census mentions a Harriet Jenkins, widow, in Llanboidy, Carm, who was born in Llanboidy in 1805. I have no other family information on her. Another brother, Ben, died underground in the Rhondda, according to the letter. According to James, his parents were Thomas Jenkins and Mary Thomas. (I don't know where he recorded this information; family passed it down): One researcher of unknown relation (taken from Web site) used 1841 and 1851 census, believes Thomas is the one born/christened 1782 in Llanddewi Velfrey, Pem., Mary born in Llangynin. Same researcher believes Thomas and Mary the ones married 1805 in Llanboidy, Carm., which might make Harriet the oldest child if she could be the widow mentioned in the 1881 census. Same researcher believes Thomas' father was a Thomas also, born in Lampeter Velfrey about 1756, died Llangynin possibly 1793, but those appear to be guesswork. Thanks again for your response. Kevin. --- Pat Powell <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Kevin > > I would like to help you as I am often following up > my family around > that area. My greatgrandfather was born in Mote > which usually stands for > New Moat - but occasionally for Henry's Mote. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

Hello Rita It's possible that this could be her in 1841 Haverfordwest parish of St Martin's. enum dist 14 Folio 28 page 11 North Street Mary Child 65 Ind Y Ann Young 18 F.S. Y Neither of these people are in Haverfordwest town in 1851. In Freystrop in 1851 there are 3 Ann Youngs all born Freystrop but all the wrong age Ann Young 17 , Ann Young 9, Ann Young 46. (Note: In 1841 there are 3 Ann Youngs aged 7, 30 , 80) However there is an Ann Young aged 27 in Steynton shown as born in Roch. This doesn't seem to be your Ann as my guess is that she is married already to an Isaac Young - unless the marriage to James Little was a second marriage. Do you have the marriage details? Presumably not or else you would have Ann's father's name and occupation. I'm a bit puzzled by the 1861 census entry in Union Street as it shows their son William aged 13 born GLA Pontlottyn and there they should be in the 1851 census - but they don't seem to be listed. By the way as the birthplace in 1861 is just given as Pem may I ask the source of the Freystrop as birthplace? Maybe your next step should be to get a copy of the marriage certificate. All for now Pat In message <[email protected]>, rita woodcock <[email protected]> writes >Hello Pembroke, > >New member signing on in hopes someone can help me with an ANN YOUNG born circa >1823 at a place called FREYSTROP in Pembrokeshire. > >I believe she married a JAMES LITTLE ( my Gt Gt Gt Grandfather) born circa 1821 >in Hungerford in Wilts. > >On the 1861 British Census, if I am correct with Ann's maiden name, the family >were living in Union Street, Pontlottyn, Glamorganshire and had three children >William Little aged 13 yrs, Thomas Little aged 9 yrs and Elizabeth Little aged >2 >yrs. > >Anyone with information on ANN YOUNG would be most welcomed. > >Best Regards and a Happy New Year to you all. > >Rita > > > > > > >- ------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! >Download >Messenger Now > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

Sticking my tenpennyth in! Several Lettices here in Pembrokeshire usually pronounced Lettuce as in salad ingredient or Let-tish-ia by people of a more English pronunciation!! Melanie Pronunced Mel-ah-knee! -----Original Message----- From: John Ball [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WLS-PEM] Forename 'Lettice' Martin Owen <[email protected]> wrote: Because I have a Lettice in my family tree, I thought I'd look to see if I could find any reference to the name, its origins or derivations anywhere. ================= Dear Martin, The Oxford Names Companion has the following entry for the forename Lettice: ---------------- LETTICE (f.) English: from the medieval English form of the Latin name Laetitia 'happiness'. It was popular among the Victorians, but is now regarded as faintly risible (perhaps because of its similarity to the vocabulary word lettuce). Pet forms: Letty, Lettie ---------------- Source: Page 808 "The Oxford Names Companion" by Patrick Hanks, Flavia Hodges, A. D. Mills, and Adrian Room, published 2002 by Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-860561-7 Kind regards, John - -------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release Date: 30/12/2003 ______________________________ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.538 / Virus Database: 333 - Release Date: 11/10/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.538 / Virus Database: 333 - Release Date: 11/10/03

Hi List, New to this list, as was chasing THOMAS LEWIS birth in Cardiff before. Just found out he grew up on a farm in Milford Haven, till marrying in Cardiff, Glam. in 1889, aged 21. He stated he was born in Cardiff on 1901 census and the years 1868/9 checked out with his age.It now appears from new information, that he grew up with 4 brothers in Milford Haven, the farm was inherited by eldest brother,, and being too small for all the brothers, my Thomas left for Cardiff where he became a docks labourer.Father also THOMAS LEWIS, labourer and deceased pre 1889.A witness at his marriage was William Lewis, and I have considered it was likely a brother or uncle. Does anyone have any links to this Lewis family ? tina in Australia, in the middle of summer.

Dear Ted and Cate and Susan, I always keep in mind that unrelated mariners from elsewhere began families in Pembrokeshire often bearing a name long associated with its history....could be the case with the Coles....and I always remember Coel Hen was Old King Cole of nursery rhyme fame............. However, according to various historical writings, Cole, a "Frenchman" who first came to Cemais with Martin de Tours, received from him a grant to Llwyngwair (near Newport)and was the "first that found oute marle in Kemes for mending the lands and yt he learned the same in France". In 1326 William Cole of Llwyngwair sat on a jury at Newport. The Coles sold the property in 1503 (to one of my "rellies") and apparently moved south....but a few must have been still hanging about in Cemais because one, Richard Cole, was rather nasty to another Devonald relative about 1600. There are Richard Coles who married in Reynalton 1814, Begelly 1820, and one, a carpenter, married at Martletwy in 1821. Benjamin Cole of Yerbeston married Jane Morgan at Reynalton in 1817. There are wills for a Richard "Coale" at Begelly 1694, and Richard Cole at St. Lawrence, Gumphreston 1714, Minwere 1777, and Reynalton, Pemb. 1844 (twice...two different numbers, so probably two different Richards). I know there are other ways of obtaining information, but might I suggest to the Cole searchers that copies of the St. David's Probate index sheets for the Cole name from the 1500's to 1858 be obtained from the Records Office at Haverfordwest, if they wish to proceed further. H/west can also provide Will abstracts using the aforementioned years....but do not have full wills. I'll provide what information I can (I don't hold centuries- old grudges) but nothing beats an actual will. I only have a selection of sheets from the Probate index The National Library has Wills, Bonds, Inventories etc. but requires the special numbers shown on the index sheets I've mentioned, as well as the year, otherwise the search fee for a particular will is costly. Whilst assembling all this, I found a Stephen Dev Cole, Cabinet Maker married Mary Walters at H/west St. Mary in 1821......wondered if anyone claims him and if the Dev stands for Devonald or perhaps Devereux. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ted white" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:47 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Jane COLE > Hello > > Following the theme of recent messages about the name COLE I Does anyone have > any information about Richard COLE and his family. > > Best wishes for the New Year. > > Ted White, Burlington, Ontario, Canada > <[email protected]> > > Researching: > Pembrokeshire: DAVIES, ORMOND, together with PROUT, JOHN and WATERS in > Amroth and St Issells.

Hello Kevin I would like to help you as I am often following up my family around that area. My greatgrandfather was born in Mote which usually stands for New Moat - but occasionally for Henry's Mote. Maybe you could give us a bit more info so that I can follow the family from 1841 onwards in order to identify the correct Harriet for you. so here are a few questions. 1. You say Harriet's parents married in Llanboidy - do you know their names? 2. Am I right in thinking that you don't know if Harriet married or not? Do you have some idea of when she was born? There is no Harriet Jenkins in Llanboidy or in New moat in the 1841 census but there are other Jenkins. I checked Jenkin, Jenkins and Jinkins. 3. As you say Harriet was your ggggrandfather's sister then you presumably know his name and approx birthdate and other information - this could be useful. 4. You asked about place of burial - as I have lots of family in Pembrokeshire I have "wandered the graveyards" quite a bit - and certainly people have often been buried quite some way from where they were living at the time of death. Interestinglt , although husband & wife were mostly buried in the same grave - I have found the husband buried in his birth village while the wife was buried some distance away near her birthplace or family home. I look forward to hearing from you with some more family details and i will see what I can do for you. Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, Kevin D Jenkins <[email protected]> writes >Dear list: > >In trying to learn more about my ggg grandfathers' >family, I'm trying to find a death record for his >sister, who in a letter is said to have died in >February 1888 "from the Mote," which I'm guessing >means "at The Mote" because she had been living there >awhile, and another family member's U.S. obituary uses >"from the" in referring to the location of the death. > >I have searched Free BMD and the 1881 census for >Harriet Jenkins or simply Harriet (unknown married >name) at The Mote and have had no luck. A Harriet >Jenkins in the right age range is listed as a widow in >LLanboidy, Carms., in the 1881 census and, because of >the age, I'm guessing may be the same one listed in >Free BMD who died during the first quarter of 1888 in >Carmarthenshire. I believe my Harriet's parents >married in Llanboidy and that she was born there, >don't know for sure. > >Questions: Assuming my Harriet was a widow about 80 >years old going by her maiden name and who died at The >Mote, which I'm guessing is the plantation(?) by >Newmoat because of the family's general geography, >would it be likely that the family would take her back >to Llanboidy for burial, and therefore have her >death/burial recorded in Llanboidy? Would a Newmoat BT >be likely to have a record of her death? Otherwise, >I'm guessing my best bet is to check the PRO, is that >right? I haven't yet taken the plunge into trying to >order something from an RO. > >Any suggestions on the best course to pursue would be >appreciated. > >Kevin Jenkins. > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

Dear John & Martin, Thanks for the explanation, John. I did not know Laetitia meant happiness.....as to pet names, some of my mother's brothers called her Tish. Bettye K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:58 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Forename 'Lettice' > Martin Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > Because I have a Lettice in my family tree, I thought I'd look to see if I > could find any reference to the name, its origins or derivations anywhere. > ================= > > Dear Martin, > > The Oxford Names Companion has the following entry for the forename Lettice: > ---------------- > LETTICE (f.) English: from the medieval English form of the Latin name > Laetitia 'happiness'. It was popular among the Victorians, but is now > regarded as faintly risible (perhaps because of its similarity to the > vocabulary word lettuce). > Pet forms: Letty, Lettie > ---------------- > > Source: Page 808 "The Oxford Names Companion" by Patrick Hanks, Flavia > Hodges, A. D. Mills, and Adrian Room, published 2002 by Oxford University > Press. ISBN 0-19-860561-7 > > Kind regards, > > John > ---------------------------- >

Martin Owen <[email protected]> wrote: Because I have a Lettice in my family tree, I thought I'd look to see if I could find any reference to the name, its origins or derivations anywhere. ================= Dear Martin, The Oxford Names Companion has the following entry for the forename Lettice: ---------------- LETTICE (f.) English: from the medieval English form of the Latin name Laetitia 'happiness'. It was popular among the Victorians, but is now regarded as faintly risible (perhaps because of its similarity to the vocabulary word lettuce). Pet forms: Letty, Lettie ---------------- Source: Page 808 "The Oxford Names Companion" by Patrick Hanks, Flavia Hodges, A. D. Mills, and Adrian Room, published 2002 by Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-860561-7 Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release Date: 30/12/2003

----- Original Message ----- From: "cate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] RE: William Henry Davies - alternative names > Slightly off-topic whether Lettice is an alternative for Elizabeth, I just > thought I'd warn those people who haven't yet discovered "alternative > names" what they might need to look out for. _________________________________________________________________________ Because I have a Lettice in my family tree, I thought I'd look to see if I could find any reference to the name, its origins or derivations anywhere. I have so far failed, but have found this site, the "CYMRU-CATALONIA" (= Wales-Catalonia) Website, which seems to have a number of references to Welsh forenames and meanings: http://www.estelnet.com/catalunyacymru/catala/enwau_bedydd_cymru_mynegai_1e.htm Maybe it will be of use to someone. Much of the site text is in Welsh. Best wishes for the New Year. Martin Owen --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release Date: 30/12/03

New Year Greetings. My personal Brick Wall - Joseph - can't find him anywhere. My Gt. Uncle was born near Pembroke in 1856 and appears to have left for London between 1871 and 1881 when he was recorded in Lots Road Fulham. I think he came to be best man at my Grandfather's wedding in Chelsea in 1878. Any thoughts much appreciated. John Richards. (St Albans UK) Searching RICHARDS & DUGGAN (Pembs & S. Wales) DFHS Member RICHARDS, WIFFEN, DAY (London & Middx.) WIFFEN & NORRIS (Stock, Essex) See http://www.archivecdbooks.org for details of my copy of "The History of Wales". -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.209 / Virus Database: 261.5.6 - Release Date: 02/01/04

Hello Following the theme of recent messages about the name COLE I found the grave of Jane COLE in Tenby Cemetery . Jane was formerly Jane DAVIES and married Richard COLE on 5 July 1856 in St Mary's, Tenby. Jane was buried in the same grave as her brother Erasmus DAVIES. (no sign of Richard!) Does anyone have any information about Richard COLE and his family. Erasmus was a name used in at least 3 generations in the Tenby DAVIES family . Can anyone suggest its origin as a first name please? We also two other unusual biblical first names in the family, Jedidah and Josiah both in the PROUT family. Best wishes for the New Year. Ted White, Burlington, Ontario, Canada <[email protected]> Researching: Pembrokeshire: DAVIES, ORMOND, together with PROUT, JOHN and WATERS in Amroth and St Issells. PS I have indexed the 1901 census for AMROTH if anyone would like a lookup done.

Bettye I have to admit to never having heard of the dictionary definition concept of a 'Welsh uncle' before. But John answers the question you asked, and I went innocently off on another tack it seems :-) Confusion being my middle name ! Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:08 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Welsh uncle. Dear John and Gareth, Thank you, Gentlemen (sincerely). I guess this means if I take John and the dictionary's meaning I look for a relative, and if I take Gareth's it could be just a revered friend or neighbour. Confusing? Might I say, typically Welsh! Regards. Bettye K. ==== DYFED Mailing List ==== Gareth's Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html

Hi Susan, Good to hear from a potential distant cousin! I don't have Hannah's baptism details yet - from the only census she'd been found in (1841 - she'd died by 1861, but don't yet have details of 1851) she was 50 (so in theory anything between 50 and 54, always assuming her age was correctly given in the first place) and was therefore born between 1786-1791, most likely in Reynoldston/Reynalton as that's where she married my great-great- great-grandfather Benjamin Morgan on 19 November 1814. On the same page of the parish register there's a marriage of Richard Cole of Reynoldston to Sarah Griffiths, held on 10 December 1814 - probably either a brother or cousin. Although I don't know who her parents were yet, Bettye Kirkwood has told me about the 1794 marriage of John Cole to Elizabeth Thomas at Reynalton, but in fact that's rather late both for Hannah and Elizabeth. They could have different parents or perhaps John Cole was previously married to their mother who died? Do you know anything about Elizabeth's parents? Hannah and Benjamin also lived in Wooden and I have family there up to and including 1881, so far, although my direct ancestor (Benjamin's son Joseph) moved to Tredegar MON before 1841 and didn't return. I'm hoping to buy the Narberth parish register index at some point this year so if I find out anything about Elizabeth, I shall let you know. Cate Date sent: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 15:22:25 -0800 From: Susan Martin <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Re: Hannah Cole To: [email protected], [email protected] > Hello Cate, > Just catching up on my emails and noticed your mention of the COLE name. I > have an Elizabeth Cole born 1787 Reynoldston who married William Phillips in > Ludchurch in 1811. They then moved to Begelly/Wooden area. > . > > Best to all listers for 2004. > > Sue Martin >

Dear John and Gareth, Thank you, Gentlemen (sincerely). I guess this means if I take John and the dictionary's meaning I look for a relative, and if I take Gareth's it could be just a revered friend or neighbour. Confusing? Might I say, typically Welsh! Regards. Bettye K.

Dear List, Whilst we are on definitions and explanations, can somebody please tell me what exactly is meant by a "Welsh uncle". Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.

Dear Cate, I've found Emma and Emily in alternating census records myself, and n's and m's often are hard to decipher....maybe your ancestor co-habited with triplets. The one which amuses me most is the printed marriage record of an Enema.......which I trust should have been Emma. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "cate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:51 AM alternative names > Ann Amelia Amy Emma Emily Mary

Dear list: In trying to learn more about my ggg grandfathers' family, I'm trying to find a death record for his sister, who in a letter is said to have died in February 1888 "from the Mote," which I'm guessing means "at The Mote" because she had been living there awhile, and another family member's U.S. obituary uses "from the" in referring to the location of the death. I have searched Free BMD and the 1881 census for Harriet Jenkins or simply Harriet (unknown married name) at The Mote and have had no luck. A Harriet Jenkins in the right age range is listed as a widow in LLanboidy, Carms., in the 1881 census and, because of the age, I'm guessing may be the same one listed in Free BMD who died during the first quarter of 1888 in Carmarthenshire. I believe my Harriet's parents married in Llanboidy and that she was born there, don't know for sure. Questions: Assuming my Harriet was a widow about 80 years old going by her maiden name and who died at The Mote, which I'm guessing is the plantation(?) by Newmoat because of the family's general geography, would it be likely that the family would take her back to Llanboidy for burial, and therefore have her death/burial recorded in Llanboidy? Would a Newmoat BT be likely to have a record of her death? Otherwise, I'm guessing my best bet is to check the PRO, is that right? I haven't yet taken the plunge into trying to order something from an RO. Any suggestions on the best course to pursue would be appreciated. Kevin Jenkins. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/