Just posting some of my interests again in case anyone new to the list connects with them. HARRI(E)S - Castlemartin, Rhoscrowther JENKINS - Rhoscrowther HIER - Carew, Creselly, Monkton ROBLIN - Burton, Castlemartin, St Twynnells MERRIMAN - Clarbeston, Templeton, Jeffreyston, Loveston, East Williamston WATKINS - Templeton, Narberth HOOPER - Jeffreyston Sandra Davies in South Pembs ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk

Hi Bettye I must congratulate you on your research you did suggest in the beginning that Sophia's Father might be a Thomas you called it cockeyed logic? and you were spot on, the other person present was a Sarah Morgan ? might have been another member of the family. Alwyn was kind enough to do a look up for me he came up with the following. Sophie in Llandeloy 1871 Thomas Morgan 48 Brawdy Pembrokeshire Head Mary Morgan 44 Brawdy Pembrokeshire Wife Martha Morgan 26 Brawdy Pembrokeshire Daughter Sophia Morgan 23 Brawdy Pembrokeshire Daughter John Evans 22 Mathry Pembrokeshire Son-in-law Margaret Morgan 10 Haycastle Pembrokeshire Daughter Henry Morgan 1 Llandeloy Pembrokeshire Grandson I emailed Alwyn and I am waiting on further details of above. I took on board what you said about Thomas Howell Bettye and I looked back at some notes I took off the I.G.I for Pembrokeshire ( 1 ) Thomas Howell (chris ) 29-05-1837 Johnston Parents James Howell Martha Howell ( 2 ) Thomas Howell (chris ) 08-07-1838 Freystrop Parent Mary Howell so I will telephone Monday to make inquiries about no ( 2 ) I hope I have not driven you to drink with Sophia Bettye, but up until two years ago I never knew her name now nearly all of Pembrokeshire is aware of her . Many thanks Bettye for all your help and support and I hope that cockeyed logic starts to rub off on me. Marlena

Hi Joy, thank you for the information. I have a lot to learn trying to converse and to express myself better in Family History language, that's what the lady was trying to tell me but I got carried away on receiving the certificates. I asked for a certificate for Thomas Howell born Sep 1837 Pembrokeshire and was told there was not one there. I have since delved into my folder of possibles and have found these two I took these off the I.G.I a while back ( 1 ) Thomas Howell (chris) 29-05-1837 at Johnston Parents James Howell Martha Howell ( 2 ) Thomas Howell (chris) 08-07-1838 at Freystrop Parent Mary Howell ( ? illegitimate ) I was told to be on the look out for something like ( 2 ) I will inquire about the above and I will take onboard what you said about church and chapel registers. All for now Marlena ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Sophia Morgan/s Hi Marlena Civil Registration did not start until 1 July 1837. Many births were registered between 1837 and 1875 during which period parents were only legally obliged to inform a registrar of the details of a birth if a registrar demanded them. Many people did not know about the law, or thought that a child's baptism, recorded in a church reger, was a legal alternative to registration. If you cannot find a birth entry you should search church (or chapel) registers for a baptism. The position improved from 1875 when the Births and Deaths Act 1874 imposed a duty upon those present at a birth or death to report it to a registrar. There were fines for non-registration and penalties for late registration (that is more than forty-two days after a birth). Despite this, some births and deaths since 1875 have not been recorded. Further more, in order to avoid paying a late registration penalty, some parents reported a later (incorrect) date of birth for a child. (Transcribed from Ancestral Trails by Mark D. Herber) I have instances of both non reported births and later (incorrect) dates in my family tree. Iff the Registrar at Haverfordwest has not traced it then it does mean that you will not be able to obtain a Birth Certificate. Bye for now Joy

Fwd for Graham who is not subbed at the address he sent from ----- Original Message ----- From: "taffybach" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Patrick W G Brock" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 Brigstoke > Patrick,, > I remember looking for an entry on my wifes side (Scottish) and I came > across a 'Brigstock' from Pembrokeshire in 1851 Edinburgh. > I did not make a note or point of it at the time but I remember that he was > a wine & spirit dealer. > Maybe this is one of the missing Brigstocks from your list. > There were some family there with him also. > Regards > Graham > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick W G Brock" <[email protected]> > To: <> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:38 PM > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 Brigstoke > > > > Hello Alwyn > > > > Thank you for the Pembrokeshire Brigstocke households. They confirm > several > > of the connections I had worked out elsewhere. > > > > Thank you also for the other Dyfed families. I have been seeing them in > > other censuses, but have not yet found a direct connection. > > > > I really appreciate your efforts > > Thank you > > > > Patrick > > > > ______________________________ > >

Hi Wayne On the 1861 census index of Aberdare, Glamorgan at Aberdare Library is the following, Alma Street, John George aged 29, coalminer, born Nantyglo Monmouthshire Margaret, his wife, aged 27 born Newcastle Emlyn Carmarthenshire Rachel, their daughter aged 1, born Aberdare Glamorgan Alma Street is in Trecynon and near to Margaret Street so this may be the family you are researching. In 1861 there is no family in Margaret Street with the surname George. If I have time this week I'll check out the other census returns. Regards Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] 187l Census Lookup > For Ann D in Aber > > In 1881 my gr grandmother, Catherine GEORGE, age 20, was living with her > husband and son in the home of her parents, John and Margaret GEORGE on > Margaret St in the Trecynon section of Aberdare. John and Margaret were both > 50, John was a COLLIER. His birth place was not given but Margaret was > born in Carmarthen. Also in the home in 1881 were Catherine's siblings, > Thomas, 16 and Louisa, 12. In 1871 the family would be: John GEORGE, 40, > COLLIER, (?); Margaret GEORGE, 40, Carmarthen; Catherine GEORGE, dau, 10, > Glamorgan; Thomas GEORGE, son, 6, Glamorgan; Louisa, dau, 2, Glamorgan. > I would be most grateful if you could locate the GEORGE family in 1871. > Thank you very much > > -- > Wayne E. Phillips > Chester, VA 23836 > 804-530-4623 > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm > >

Dear Marlena, >From the information you've supplied, I think the marriage certificate fits your needs best....so you are looking for the marriage of a Thomas Morgan to supply the names of Sophia's parents. The most likely from the information in previous e-mails is the Thomas Morgan aged 31 born and living in Hayscastle with his wife Mary, with their 3 years old daughter Sophia. I know Sophia's age is shown as 26 at the time of her marriage.....this could be a misinterpretation of the figures 6 and 8..or she could have lied. I don't place too much credence on ages in Pembrokeshire documents......they obviously could count sheep or cows, but years....No! Let's hope the 1871 census will prove fruitful for you. The Ambleston Sophia appears to be the child of William Morgan and Ann, the widow Morgan whose original name was Madocks. An Ann Maddock is shown in the marriage index as marrying William Morgan of St. Lawrence at Ambleston on 05/02/1833...so perhaps she married two William Morgans. The only likely parents of Ann in my records could have married at either Haroldston West or St. Issells, but there is no proof. The absence of a father's name for Thomas Howell may mean that he was born to a single woman........and perhaps the church parish records of the area in which he was born will show the name of the person who was called upon to provide support for such a child. If the father was known, the church wasn't going to be responsible for the upkeep of a child to their parish if they could help it! Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: marlena payne To: [email protected] Cc: BJ & LC Kirkwood ; [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: Sophia Morgan/s Hi Bill, Bettye, I received three of the four certificates I applied for, the staff at Tower Hill Register Office are so helpful and so efficient I sent off for the certificates on the Thursday followed by a telephone call on the Friday and I received them Saturday. I am still going to keep an open mind the information I received still leaves me in the dark so to speak. I know now why theall it Family Tree, I am going to look at these branches and twigs again but at least I sent off for the certificates something I have wanted to do for a long time. Birth Certificate for Sophia Morgan. 10 March 1845 Ambleston Fathers name William Morgan ( Slater ) Mothers name Anne Morgan / formally Madocks Marriage Certificate for Sophia Morgan. 12 February 1876 at Trefgam Chapel Brawdy. Thomas Howell 32 Marr Sophia Morgan 26 Sophia's Father's name is Thomas Morgan (in the presence of Thomas Morgan and Sarah Morgan ) for Thomas Howell there is no mention of Fathers name or profession. I was not able to get a Birth Certificate for Thomas Howell it is not held in Haverfordwest so I will have to apply to Pembroke Register Office ? I also sent off for my Grandfathers Birth Certificate James Morgan Howell it has him born and living at Treslanog Mathry R.S.D but on a copy of a Requisition form for a Birth Certificate it states he was born at a Dwelling called Meildy St Nicholas Fishguard ?. sorry to have gone on so, thank you both for your time and patience Marlena # Dyfed 3263 # Glamorgan 5881

Dear Patrick, I don't know if how far back in time you have gone with your Brigstocke ancestry. Have you read Llechdwinni Revisited by Major Francis Jones which appeared in the Carmarthenshire Antiquary Vol. XX in 1984? The Brigstocke section begins "The background of the Brigstockes differed radically from that of the family they succeeded at Llechdwnni. Rural Welsh landowners of distinguished ancestry and family traditions, the Bowens had been stay-at-home squires......By contrast the Brigstockes were English townsfolk, business-men living in Croydon near the great metropolis, centre of government whose edicts influenced the pattern of national life. If they lacked genealogical panache, they made up with a capacity for hard work, application and persistence. A man from this urban mileau now enters the pastoral scene of Carmarthenshire. Baptized at Croydon on 7 October 1604, John Brigstocke was son of a successful brewer of that town, Robert Brigstocke and his wife Elizabeth". Then follows 9 or 10 pages about the family....down to including Rev. John Brigstocke who was rector of Burton in Pembrokeshire from 1832 to 1858, and his family. There are no Brigstocke marriages in my pre-1813 index which includes Burton, but there are two in the Narberth Hundred including the marriage of Thomas Brigstocke to Elizabeth Phelps at Jeffreston in 1791. You may already know whether or not these are your Rev. Thomas Brigstocke's parents, but it seems likely. Of course, there may be more than one Brigstocke family who went into Wales....and you may know all about your earlier family members already.....but, just in case.......... Incidentally, from the Lists, Megan Phelps and I are both interested in the Phelps name. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick W G Brock" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > Hello Alwyn > > Taking you up on your offer for lookups in the 1871 Census: I would be very > interested to know which of my Brigstocke ggGrandparents' children and > siblings were still around in 1871. The list below shows what I currently > know about them.

reminder of who where and when I am interested in! WHERE:- FISHGUARD LLANYCHAER DINAS CROSS LLANWNDA MANOROWEN SCLEDDAU LOWER FISHGUARD ETC WHO: SURNAMES - OWEN THOMAS (yes I know that's half the county!) JAMES EVANS CORNOCK the family was (and is) very wide spread across North Pembs - so anyone with anything on any surnames in or around the above villages I'd be interested to hear from you.. my family were mainly agricultural with lots of blacksmiths and some mariners too! and likewise if I can help anyone who is looking for any surnames in North Pembs... Melanie In VERY windy Fishguard Pembs! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.567 / Virus Database: 358 - Release Date: 1/24/04

Dear Joy, You, (or anybody else), are always free to butt in on me..... I'm pretty isolated down here in Oz from what's happening on the actual Pemb. scene. I still get tangled up by the fact that records for various areas in the northern part of Pembrokeshire had to be obtained from Cardigan Registrar ..have had requests denied from Pemb. and I've been referred to Cardigan in the past. I take it that is no longer the case. Bettye K. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Sophia Morgan/s > Hi Marlena > > There is now only one Registrar's Office for the whole of Pembrokeshire and > that is the one at Tower Hill, Haverfordwest where all the old records are now > stored. > > Do you have this from the 1881 Census - I believe this may be them > Dwelling: Trellys Y Cnwc > Census Place: St Nicholas, Pembroke, Wales > Source: FHL Film 1342306 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5424 Folio 94 > Page 9 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Thomas HOWELL M 43 M Granston, Pembroke, Wales > Rel: Head > Occ: Ag Lab > Sophia HOWELL M 32 F Hayscastle, Pembroke, Wales > Rel: Wife > David HOWELL 4 M Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales > Rel: Son > William HOWELL 3 M Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales > Rel: Son > Mary Ann HOWELL 8 m F St Nicholas, Pembroke, Wales > Rel: Daur > > > Sory to butt in on you, Bettye, but I thought you might not be aware that the > Pembroke one closed about a year ago. > > Bye for npw > Joy > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki PEM > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ >

Thank you Ann D. Yes this is my ggGrandfather and his daughter Caroline Whish Brigstocke. and Thank you Vera. I have some references to Llewellyn and to Dr. Brigstocke, but have not managed to established a connection. Best wishes Patrick

Hi Patrick Clerical Guide first published 1817 Crockford's Clerical Directory published since1858 Clergy List published from 1841 I haven't sen the first listed but the latter two give details of Anglican clergy listed alphabetically together with their benefices held, population, stipend and patrons. Many clergy are listed in Index Ecclesiaticus (unfortunately incomplete) compiled by Foster.* It notes clergyman's names, their benefices and dates of their institution to those livings. *J. Foster Index Ecclesiaticus, Parker & Co. 1890 Above information taken from Ancestral Trails by Mark D. Heber I know that the Guildhall Library in London has most of Crockford's and the Clergy List and I assusme that the Clerical Guide and Index Ecclesiaticus are in the British Library. Bye for now Joy Above information taken from Ancestral Trails by Mark D. Heber

Hi Joy, thank you for your help I have the information below, I was told that because Thomas Howell was born in 1837?or is it the other way around 1838? his records would not be in Haverfordwest, to be honest with you Joy I think I have lost the plot with all the different dates but I will ring up Monday and inquire again, the lady told me that it was all in one place now and she did mention something about before and after those two dates . All for now Marlena ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Sophia Morgan/s Hi Marlena There is now only one Registrar's Office for the whole of Pembrokeshire and that is the one at Tower Hill, Haverfordwest where all the old records are now stored. Do you have this from the 1881 Census - I believe this may be them Dwelling: Trellys Y Cnwc Census Place: St Nicholas, Pembroke, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342306 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5424 Folio 94 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas HOWELL M 43 M Granston, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Ag Lab Sophia HOWELL M 32 F Hayscastle, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Wife David HOWELL 4 M Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Son William HOWELL 3 M Fishguard, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Son Mary Ann HOWELL 8 m F St Nicholas, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Daur Sory to butt in on you, Bettye, but I thought you might not be aware that the Pembroke one closed about a year ago. Bye for npw Joy

For Ann D in Aber In 1881 my gr grandmother, Catherine GEORGE, age 20, was living with her husband and son in the home of her parents, John and Margaret GEORGE on Margaret St in the Trecynon section of Aberdare. John and Margaret were both 50, John was a COLLIER. His birth place was not given but Margaret was born in Carmarthen. Also in the home in 1881 were Catherine's siblings, Thomas, 16 and Louisa, 12. In 1871 the family would be: John GEORGE, 40, COLLIER, (?); Margaret GEORGE, 40, Carmarthen; Catherine GEORGE, dau, 10, Glamorgan; Thomas GEORGE, son, 6, Glamorgan; Louisa, dau, 2, Glamorgan. I would be most grateful if you could locate the GEORGE family in 1871. Thank you very much -- Wayne E. Phillips Chester, VA 23836 804-530-4623

Hve found some Scurlock in Llanstadwell but don't seem to be the ones you mention--do you want them all the same? Ann D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Franks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > Hi Ann and Alwyn > > Many thanks for the offer of look-ups in the 1871 on line. I would love to > find my ancestor Joseph SCURLOCK and wife Mary. Joseph was born in late1840 > in Llanstadwell and Mary was born in Ireland also around 1840. By 1871 > Joseph's parents and his daughter have moved to Kent but Joseph and Mary did > not join them there until later on. > > Their son Joseph Patrick SCURLOCK was supposedly born in Pembrokeshire in > 1871, possibly at Pembroke Dock so perhaps they are there or back in > Joseph's home town of Llanstadwell. I am also still missing Joseph's 2 > younger brothers Benjamin SCURLOCK (born about 1842) and Robert SCURLOCK > (born about 1848). They were also born in Llanstadwell. > > Kind regards > > Carol in Berkshire, UK > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > National Library of Wales > http://www.llgc.org.uk/

Hi Ann from Aber replying--since I had the cenusu up when your mail came in I looked for them Timberland West Haroldstone Thomas Smith 44 Farmer 50 acres B Walton Jane " wife 34 Walton East Mary " dau 2 " Martha " " 1 Haroldstone Edwin " son 19 farmer's son Roch followed the birth place of Edwin(seems like a Jane a second marriage ?) and found 16 High Street Haverfordwest home of Thomas Baker postmaster and saddler Elizabeth Smith 21 servant b Roch and Ellen Banner 22 servant also born in Roch Hope this helps Best wishes Ann D in Aber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schwarz family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > Hi Alwyn, one more with a request for look up of the 1871 census. We have a > marriage Certificate of Mary Schwarz's grandfather. The marriage (1873) was > in Haverfordwest and lists the grandmother as Elizabeth Smith, with the > father as Thomas Smith,Timber Hill,Harolsten West. The witnesses being an > Edwin Smith (? brother) and an Ellen Banner. Elizabeth Smith was 24 in 1873. > An other grandmother was Annie Williams, being 24 in 1880, and living at > Dark Street,Haverfordwest. the father being Caleb Williams (Mechanic). > Witnesses being Mary Jane Hitchings (Sister) and P.H.Hitchings. - We would > be gratefull for any further information on the foregoing families. Herb and > Mary (Revill) Schwarz in white and cold Ontario,Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:11 AM > Subject: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > > > > > > Ancestry have added the 1871 census for Pembrokeshire to their UK site, if > > anybody needs a lookup just holler - but if you need a lookup for John > Jones and > > the like please send enough info to make finding the right one possible > > > > All the best > > > > Alwyn > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Pembrokeshire Archives > > email [email protected] > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm

It's Ann from Aber replying--hope you don't mind Alwyn but had the census up so looked for them! Steyton Milford Haven Hamilton Terrace Thomas Brigstocke 77 Vicar of St Katherine's Milford Haven and Rural Dean b Jefferston ------------ " wife absent form home Caroline Wish " unmarried clergyman's daughter b Walwyn's Court Best wishes Ann D in Aber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick W G Brock" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > Hello Alwyn > > Taking you up on your offer for lookups in the 1871 Census: I would be very > interested to know which of my Brigstocke ggGrandparents' children and > siblings were still around in 1871. The list below shows what I currently > know about them. > > > 1. my gg Grandparents > Rev Thomas BRIGSTOCKE, b.1794 Jeffreston, Pemb d.1874 Haverfordwest, Pemb, > Wales (FreeBMD) > Caroline Buchanan WHISH, b. 1799 Northwold, Norfolk d.??1859 ??Walwyn's > Castle, Pemb > > 2. Children of Thomas and Caroline. All were born at Walwyn's Castle, > Pemb > (All but Martin are seen in 1841 and/or 1851 Censuses -- Thanks to Sandra > Davies and Pat Powell. > Only Caroline junior & Harriet are seen in 1881. Richard, Frederick, and > presumably Claudius, were overseas in 1881.) > > ?? Martin Whish Brigstocke b.~1826 d. 1899 Barton Regis (Bristol) Gloucs > (not seen before FreeBMD record of death) > Emily Sandys BRIGSTOCKE, 1827- ?m. George Patrick Lambert > Emma Elizabeth BRIGSTOCKE, 1828- > Caroline Whish BRIGSTOCKE, 1830 d. after 1881 ?London > Rev. Claudius Buchanan BRIGSTOCKE b. 1831. d. 1899 St Saviour, Southwark, > Surrey > Newton Thomas BRIGSTOCKE, 1832-1832 > Newton Thomas BRIGSTOCKE, 1833- > Harriet Mary BRIGSTOCKE, 1835- d. after 1881 London m. Henry Tivy > Tomkins > Augusta Buchanan BRIGSTOCKE, 1836- > Richard Whish BRIGSTOCKE, b. 1838 d. 1919, Lewisham, London m. > Elizabeth Tomkins > Rev. Decimus BRIGSTOCKE, 1839-1868 > Rev Frederick Hervey John BRIGSTOCKE, 1841- St Johns, New Brunswick, Canada > > Siblings (and presumed siblings) of my ggGrandaprents who lived in > Pembrokeshire > (Caroline's sister) Charlotte Jane WHISH, b.1796 Northwold, Norfolk. > d.1883 London > (?Rev Thomas's Brother?) Rev Silvanus BRIGSTOCKE > (?Rev Thomas's Brother?) Lt Charles BRIGSTOCKE RN > > I expect Rev Thomas and Rev Silvanus will be present. Are any of the other's > around? and are there other family members in the households? > > Many thanks > > Patrick > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm

Hi Ann and Alwyn Many thanks for the offer of look-ups in the 1871 on line. I would love to find my ancestor Joseph SCURLOCK and wife Mary. Joseph was born in late1840 in Llanstadwell and Mary was born in Ireland also around 1840. By 1871 Joseph's parents and his daughter have moved to Kent but Joseph and Mary did not join them there until later on. Their son Joseph Patrick SCURLOCK was supposedly born in Pembrokeshire in 1871, possibly at Pembroke Dock so perhaps they are there or back in Joseph's home town of Llanstadwell. I am also still missing Joseph's 2 younger brothers Benjamin SCURLOCK (born about 1842) and Robert SCURLOCK (born about 1848). They were also born in Llanstadwell. Kind regards Carol in Berkshire, UK

Hi Alwyn Its very nice of you to offer look ups for 1871, if you have a moment could you have a look for the following in 1871 please? William HARRIES aged 23 born Rhoscrowther and Harriet HARRIES aged 22 born Stackpole. Thanks very much. Sandra ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk

Thank you Ann, this fills in an other piece in the family records and provides us with the birth place of Elizabeth Smith. It too confirms the remarriage of Thomas Smith. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JANETANN DAVIES" <[email protected]> To: "Schwarz family" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > Hi Ann from Aber replying--since I had the cenusu up when your mail came in > I looked for them > > Timberland West Haroldstone > > Thomas Smith 44 Farmer 50 acres B > Walton > Jane " wife 34 > Walton East > Mary " dau 2 > " > Martha " " 1 > Haroldstone > Edwin " son 19 farmer's son > Roch > > followed the birth place of Edwin(seems like a Jane a second marriage ?) and > found > > 16 High Street Haverfordwest home of Thomas Baker postmaster and saddler > Elizabeth Smith 21 servant b Roch and Ellen Banner 22 servant also born in > Roch > Hope this helps > Best wishes Ann D in Aber > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Schwarz family" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:10 PM > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > > > > Hi Alwyn, one more with a request for look up of the 1871 census. We have > a > > marriage Certificate of Mary Schwarz's grandfather. The marriage (1873) > was > > in Haverfordwest and lists the grandmother as Elizabeth Smith, with the > > father as Thomas Smith,Timber Hill,Harolsten West. The witnesses being an > > Edwin Smith (? brother) and an Ellen Banner. Elizabeth Smith was 24 in > 1873. > > An other grandmother was Annie Williams, being 24 in 1880, and living at > > Dark Street,Haverfordwest. the father being Caleb Williams (Mechanic). > > Witnesses being Mary Jane Hitchings (Sister) and P.H.Hitchings. - We would > > be gratefull for any further information on the foregoing families. Herb > and > > Mary (Revill) Schwarz in white and cold Ontario,Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:11 AM > > Subject: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > > > > > > > > > > Ancestry have added the 1871 census for Pembrokeshire to their UK site, > if > > > anybody needs a lookup just holler - but if you need a lookup for John > > Jones and > > > the like please send enough info to make finding the right one possible > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > Alwyn > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > Pembrokeshire Archives > > > email [email protected] > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Welsh Family History Archive > http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm >

like Alwyn I am more than willing to do look ups in 1871 on line Ann D in Aber