Dear All Trying to find ancestor HENDRY JAMES born in Solva in 1837 he married Harriet ? Born 1839 Dinas and they lived in Brynhenllan FArm Dinas - where the descendents still live.... Have not yet located his death (nor that of Harriet) nor his parents in/around Solva Any help would be appreciated Regards Melanie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-D Digest V04 #34 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.567 / Virus Database: 358 - Release Date: 1/24/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.567 / Virus Database: 358 - Release Date: 1/24/04

Dear Carol, You and I have travelled a few research roads together, so wondering where you were heading with Ellen Evans, I looked up Henry and Mary's marriage. I found Henry Evans married Mary Child at Llanstadwell on 16/10/1819. If Mary gave her correct age in the 1841 (when ages were rounded) she'd be born around 1801 and may be a child of Charles Child who married Anne Thorn in 1795 or Lewis Child who married Jane Rhode in 1798..at Llanstadwell. There are a long list of Evans males who married at Llanstadwell from 1803 down to Henry in 1819...and intriguingly David Evans in 1804 married Martha Child and James Evans in 1805 married Jane Child. I know the Evans of Llanstadwell and the Child girls may be unrelated to each other, however it is not uncommon for two family groups to link up in marriage twice....but possibly three? Makes for one big happy family! I also noticed that a John Evans in 1805 married Elizabeth Scurlock...so, knowing of your Scurlock searches, I guess this is your connection. Do tell....off line, if necessary! Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew FRANKS" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] 1871 and Ellen EVANS born Llandstadwell or Neyland > Hi Listers > > I am trying to track down an Ellen or Elin EVANS who was born around 1839/40 in Llanstadwell or Neyland. I haven't yet been able to find her in 1861 on my census CD but information given to me by Pat Powell (thanks again for that Pat) show her with her family in Llanstadwell in 1841 as follows: > > Llanstadwell parish Roose dist enum dist 2 Folio 19 page 4 > Neyland. > Henry Evans 43 Shipwright > Mary Evans 40 > Maria Evans 21 > Eliza Evans 20 > Jonathan Evans 16 > Charlotte Evans 14 > Mary Anne Evans 7 > Jane Evans 5 > Elin Evans 1 > >

Dear List This is somewhat tangential but I wonder if the tenant mentioned, Henry Palmer of Carew, may be a relative of Ashley John Roch Palmer, who published a Member's Birth Brief with tree in the second Dyfed FHS Journal, Volume 2, page 164. Some of his antecedents were baptised at Carew and include Phelps of Creswell, Yerbeston and Begelly. I am attempting to find "my" Henry Phelps, baptised Carew 1802, son of Henry and Mary Phelps, into these families. AJR Palmer wrote at the time that work was being done on the Phelps families, Regards Megan Phelps Sydney, Australia On Saturday, February 7, 2004, at 09:04 AM, BJ & LC Kirkwood wrote: > Dear Sally, > > As promised.... > > extract from Major Francis Jones' article on Gelliswick > > "It seems that his family" (that of the tenant Henry Palmer of Carew) > "continued there a few years more, but by 1861 James Greenish, > previously > farming at Neeston, had taken over Gelliswick. He was succeeded in > 1867 by > his son, also named James, who married Mary Elizabeth Bassett Harries > of > Hilton in Roch Parish. He farmed the property till his death in 1899 > when > he was followed by his son Robert Picton Greenish who did not remain > there > long. In 1910 Mr. John Belton and his sister Cordelia took over > Gelliswick". > > The Major, being the late Welsh Herald of Arms Extraordinary is > usually most > reliable.....and at least it gives you bases for further research. > > As to the "George" placed before the names James Greenish in your > research.....maybe they just did not like it and dropped it from > general > use! > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "s.lloyd9" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1871 Census - Greenish > > >> Hello List, >> Ann has very kindly sent me Lettice Greenish and family living in >> Charles Street, Steynton and James Greenish plus family living at >> Gallinwick(?) Farm, Hubberstone >> >> Charles St Steyton >> Lettice Greenish W 63 Landed Proprietor >> B Walton West >> Robert " son S 35 >> Hebrandstone--blind from small pox >> Martha L " dau " 33 >> " >> Elizabeth " " " 28 >> " >> Maria Davies servant " 19 >> Haverfordwest >> >> Gallinwick(?) Hubberstone >> James Greenish 34 farmer 500 acres >> Hebrandstone >> Mary E B " 34 wife >> Roach >> George P " 5 son >> Milford >> Robert " 4 " >> Haverfordwest >> Samuel K " 2 " >> Hubberstone >> and 5 servants--including a nurse and a nursemaid >> >> It's interesting that Lettice gives her place of birth as Walton West >> in >> 1871, this is where she was married in 1830 and is closer Lambston >> where > her >> sister Mary Davies is thought to have been born. So now I'm looking >> for > the >> birth of a Lettice Davies c.1807 in Walton West rather than Milford. >> I think I have found James' son George Greenish, christened George > James >> Greenish 17 Oct 1865 St Mary, Haverford West; father George James >> Greenish >> and mother Mary Elizabeth Bassett. This son died in 1884 aged 18. > James' >> wife Mary died in 1873 ( in FreeBMD Mary Elizabeth B. Greenish), >> maybe > she >> died following the birth of Francis who was born that year. >> It's a bit of a puzzling that George's father's name is >> given as >> George James rather than just James. I wonder if Bassett was Mary >> Elizabeth's surname or one of her first names? perhaps after her >> marriage >> she added her maiden name to her married name? Can anyone tell me >> anything about her birth place ''Roach''? >> >> >> Sally >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 03/02/04 >> >> >> ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Gareth's Help Page >> http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >> >> > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ >

Here's the Will of Francis senior. The handwriting was easier to read but there isn't so much detail. 'Will of Francis Andrew of Priory, parish of Stainton, county of Pembroke, Farmer Will made 28 March 1770 and probated 6 October 1770 "........I give devise and bequeath unto my wife MARGARET ANDREW for and during her natural life the yearly sum of twenty eight pounds of lawfull money of Great Britain to be paid by equal half yearly payments at the feast days of the Anunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary and Saint Michael the Arch Angel.......... ........I also give and bequeath unto my said wife Margaret Andrew one hundred pounds of lawful money of Great Britain to be paid within twelve months next after her (?!) decease......... .......I give devise and bequeath unto my daughter MARY ROWAND wife of JOHN ROWAND of the City of Bristol after the decease of my said wife Margaret Andrew the sum of two hundred pounds of lawfull money of Great Britain from and immediately after the decease of the said John Rowand in case the said Mary Rowand shall survive and outlive the said John Rowand her husband but not otherwise............. ......... I give devise and bequeath unto my daughter DOROTHY HAVARD wife of THOMAS HAVARD of Haverfordwest after the decease of my wife Margaret Andrew the sum of two hundred pounds of lawfull money of Great Britain from and immediately after the decease of the said Thomas Havard............. ............ Lastly I give and bequeath unto my son FRANCIS ANDREW all my real and personal estate and effects whatsoever and wheresoever of what nature kind or quality the same may consist and not otherwise herein before given and disposed of by me in manner aforesaid after payment of my debts legacies and funeral expenses.....' Son Francis was sole executor and the Will was witnessed by JO JONES, NATHANIEL LEVETT and JOSEPH DAVIES. Pat Dougan Belfast

Dear Sally, As promised.... extract from Major Francis Jones' article on Gelliswick "It seems that his family" (that of the tenant Henry Palmer of Carew) "continued there a few years more, but by 1861 James Greenish, previously farming at Neeston, had taken over Gelliswick. He was succeeded in 1867 by his son, also named James, who married Mary Elizabeth Bassett Harries of Hilton in Roch Parish. He farmed the property till his death in 1899 when he was followed by his son Robert Picton Greenish who did not remain there long. In 1910 Mr. John Belton and his sister Cordelia took over Gelliswick". The Major, being the late Welsh Herald of Arms Extraordinary is usually most reliable.....and at least it gives you bases for further research. As to the "George" placed before the names James Greenish in your research.....maybe they just did not like it and dropped it from general use! Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "s.lloyd9" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1871 Census - Greenish > Hello List, > Ann has very kindly sent me Lettice Greenish and family living in > Charles Street, Steynton and James Greenish plus family living at > Gallinwick(?) Farm, Hubberstone > > Charles St Steyton > Lettice Greenish W 63 Landed Proprietor > B Walton West > Robert " son S 35 > Hebrandstone--blind from small pox > Martha L " dau " 33 > " > Elizabeth " " " 28 > " > Maria Davies servant " 19 > Haverfordwest > > Gallinwick(?) Hubberstone > James Greenish 34 farmer 500 acres > Hebrandstone > Mary E B " 34 wife > Roach > George P " 5 son > Milford > Robert " 4 " > Haverfordwest > Samuel K " 2 " > Hubberstone > and 5 servants--including a nurse and a nursemaid > > It's interesting that Lettice gives her place of birth as Walton West in > 1871, this is where she was married in 1830 and is closer Lambston where her > sister Mary Davies is thought to have been born. So now I'm looking for the > birth of a Lettice Davies c.1807 in Walton West rather than Milford. > I think I have found James' son George Greenish, christened George James > Greenish 17 Oct 1865 St Mary, Haverford West; father George James Greenish > and mother Mary Elizabeth Bassett. This son died in 1884 aged 18. James' > wife Mary died in 1873 ( in FreeBMD Mary Elizabeth B. Greenish), maybe she > died following the birth of Francis who was born that year. > It's a bit of a puzzling that George's father's name is given as > George James rather than just James. I wonder if Bassett was Mary > Elizabeth's surname or one of her first names? perhaps after her marriage > she added her maiden name to her married name? Can anyone tell me > anything about her birth place ''Roach''? > > > Sally > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 03/02/04 > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gareth's Help Page > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > >

> > AHA! my grandfather was called Christmas Owen born on Christmas Day!(1900- > 1984) and his father had the Christian name PRATT > > still have not found out why!? Any suggestions - thankfully the tradition of > giving people odd names in my family died out then! > My family still carries on the tradition, Pancake Farrell

Hello Herb & Mary It's Timber Hill not Timberland . As shown in the 1881 census at the end of this e-mail. In 1841 Thomas Smith is in Nolton Here is the census entry:- Folio 3 page 1 Nolton Cross Alexander Smith 55 Collier Y Ann Smith 45 Y William Smith 20 Y Hester " 20 Y Thomas " 15 Y Ann " 11 Y Elizabeth " 9 Y Eliza " 7 Y Sarah " 2 Y Note: In 1841 census adult ages were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years. Also: Alexander Smith Collier married Ann Griffiths in Roch on Oct 7th 1813. By 1851 Thomas has married. parish of Roch Folio 448 page 14 schedule 52 Thomas Smith 26 PEM Roch Mary Smith 23 PEM Roch Elizabeth Smith 3 PEM Roch John Smith 6 PEM Roch Answering your earlier question the family living in Tinber Hill, Haroldston West in 1841 is James Williams 30 Dissenting Minister N William " 7 Y Margaret Deveraux 13 Y Rebeckah Price 15 F.S. Y The 1881 census entry I mentioned is:- Dwelling: Timber Hill Census Place: Harroldston West, Pembroke, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342305 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5420 Folio 71 Page 2 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas SMITH M 56 M Roch P, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Jane SMITH M 45 F Dale P, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Wife Occ: Farmers Wife Mary A. SMITH U 14 F Nolton P, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Dau Occ: Daughter John SMITH 12 M Harroldston, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Farmers Son Martha SMITH 10 F Harroldston, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Dau Occ: Daughter Thomas SMITH 5 M Harroldston, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Son Jane SMITH 3 F Harroldston, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Dau Occ: Daughter Esther E. SMITH 5 m F Harroldston, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Dau Occ: Daughter Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, Schwarz family <[email protected]> writes >Hello Pat, last week we had information from the list (Janetana Davies) >confirming our Smith family on "Timberland,West Haroldstone". Thomas Smith >,the father of our Elizabeth Smith is listed as Farmer. Elizabeth was born >circ. 1850. The wife of Thomas is given as Jane , she is apparently his >second wife , and is the stepmother to our Elizabeth. Elizabeth 's mother >was apparently the owner of the farm !! - could you please check the 1841 >census to see who is listed on the 1841 census on the "Timberland farm,West >Haroldstone". It could be a Venable family? Thank you for your past >asistance, Herb and Mary Schwarz, Ontario,Canada >----- Original Message ----- -- Pat Powell

Dear Sally, I've just helped Australia win the 1st. One Day Cricket Final against India from my armchair....and it is getting late. I have more to tell you, but for starters ... 06/11/1830 James Greenish married Lettice Davies at WALTON WEST. I have made a list of Davies males who married from about 1795 at Lambston and none has a wife named Lettice. However, a Lettice John in 1802 at WALTON WEST married David Davis. This is from the Bishop's Transcripts. Errors were often made in the parish records, so Davies may well be the correct surname here. Also the other girls named Lettice who married Davies males in the same time frame did so at Haverfordwest St. Martin and St. Ishmaels. Gelliswick has a special place in my family history....so I will write again tomorrow. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "s.lloyd9" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 1:56 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] 1871 Census - Greenish > I wonder if SKP can find a family called Greenish for me in the 1871 Census? > > LETTICE/LETITIA GREENISH ( nee DAVIES) b. Milford about 1807 > In 1881 she is living in Charles Street, Steynton, I think her husband, > JAMES GREENISH, died 1867. > Her children :- > > 1. THOMAS GREENISH, christened Herbranston 1832 ( I can't find Thomas in the > 1881 census, so he may have died as an infant.) > 2. JAMES GREENISH, christened Herbrandston 1833 ( in 1881 James is a > widower, living with two of his sons SAMUEL GREENISH b. about 1869 and > FRANCIS WARREN GREENISH b. about 1873. In 1901 FRANCIS GREENISH is living > at Gellyswick Farm, Hubberston with his brother ROBERT PICTON GREENISH b. > Milford about 1868 . In 1881 ROBERT P. GREENISH is attending Dew Street > Grammar School, Haverfordwest with a GEORGE I. GREENISH b. Hubberston about > 1866, perhaps another of James' children?) > 3. ROBERT GREENISH, christened Herbrandston 1835 > 4. MARTHA LETITIA GREENISH, Christened Herbrandston 1837 ( Martha married > JOHN EVANS in 1874) > 5. ELIZABETH MARY GREENISH, Christened Herbrandston 1842 > 6. JOHN DAVIES GREENISH, Christened Herbrandston 1844 ( I think this child > may have also died young, I can't find him in the 1881 census) > > LETTICE/LETITIA DAVIES was I believe my g.g.grandmother, MARY DAVIES's > sister . The family tradition is that Mary Davies was born in Lambston in > 1803 and that her mother was called Lettice. I don't suppose anyone knows > of the birth a Lettice Davies in Milford about 1807? As Lettice Davies is a > slightly less common name than Mary Davies, I'm hoping that she might lead > me to their parents! > > Thanks, > Sally > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 03/02/04 > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Pembrokeshire Archives > email [email protected] >

AHA! my grandfather was called Christmas Owen born on Christmas Day!(1900- 1984) and his father had the Christian name PRATT still have not found out why!? Any suggestions - thankfully the tradition of giving people odd names in my family died out then! Melanie -----Original Message----- From: Gerry [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [WLS-PEM] Christmas Hello All Here's a bit of trivia concerning the 1891 census of Pembrokeshire. I've just found a fourth person with a Christian name Christmas. He has a brother named Ascension which must be quite unusual. For the Morse fans amongst you I haven't found an Endeavour yet. Gerry Lewis ______________________________ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.567 / Virus Database: 358 - Release Date: 1/24/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.567 / Virus Database: 358 - Release Date: 1/24/04

Hi, I have a marriage record from 1819 for Wm. BOWEN and Mary MORRIS from Clarbeston Parish that has Thomas BRIGSTOCK as CURATE. If he is your Thomas, maybe can help with time line. Regards, Carolyn

Hello, I would appreciate a look up on 1871 Census. If SKS would look for Joseph BOWEN, age 44, Blacksmith. In previous censuses he lived in Uzmaston, Pembrokeshire. Any help greatly appreciated. Regards, Carolyn New York, USA Researching: Lancashire BOWEN, BRAY, BUTLER, PEARCE, POLLARD Cheshire: BRAY, MILLS, HOLT, WRIGHT Pembrokeshire, Wales: BOWEN, MORRIS, MERRIMAN

Hi Carolyn, I looked for your Joseph Bowen in the 1871 census as indexed on ancestry.com. Not all the Wales counties are indexed at this time, though Pembrokeshire is. {Don't know if it is complete}. I could not find anyone close to Joseph's age [44]. The closest in age was 55 and he was a collier. His wife's name was Ann. Doesn't look like your fellow. He was born in Begelly, Pembrokeshire. Residing in civil parish St. Issels. If you think this is him, let me know. Debbie From: [email protected] Subject: [WLS-PEM] 1871 Census look up Request Pls. Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:16:59 EST Hello,I would appreciate a look up on 1871 Census. If SKS would look for Joseph BOWEN, age 44, Blacksmith. In previous censuses he lived in Uzmaston, Pembrokeshire. Any help greatly appreciated.Regards,Carolyn --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online

Many thanks Gerry I wonder if its the same building in existence today?! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] CRYMES > on 4/2/04 11:56 pm, victor & pat at [email protected] wrote: > > > Just to add a bit to the 'Crymes' story. > >> From the will of Francis Andrew of Thornton, County of Pembroke, Gentleman, > > made on 22 November 1788 and probated 8 January 1794................... > > > > '......My dwelling house called Ven together with the outhouses, fold, > > haggards and gardens and fields called Warey Park; Upper Great Park; Croft; > > part of Old Meadow; Lower Great Park; Long Park and hill under it and > > Churchey Meadow subject to the payment of an annual rent of One Pound, > > Sixteen Shillings and Eight Pence Payable yearly to his Grace the Duke of > > Leeds - to my niece Ann Havard, spinster and the heirs of her body lawfully > > issuing and for want of such issue, to her brother, my nephew Thomas Havard > > [my 3x great grandfather] and his issue and for want of such issue to my > > step daughter Mary, wife of John Crymes Esquire.' > > > > (The Andrew family home was Thornton House in Steynton.) > > Does Ven still exist? > > > > Pat Dougan > > Belfast > > Hello Pat > > Venn Lodge is marked on the 1:25,000 scale O.S. map and is just north of the > road that runs east from Milford Haven (Black Bridge) to Waterston. > > A Little Venn Farm and Great Venn Farm existed at the time of the 1891 > census. > > Gerry Lewis > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >

on 4/2/04 11:56 pm, victor & pat at [email protected] wrote: > Just to add a bit to the 'Crymes' story. >> From the will of Francis Andrew of Thornton, County of Pembroke, Gentleman, > made on 22 November 1788 and probated 8 January 1794................... > > '......My dwelling house called Ven together with the outhouses, fold, > haggards and gardens and fields called Warey Park; Upper Great Park; Croft; > part of Old Meadow; Lower Great Park; Long Park and hill under it and > Churchey Meadow subject to the payment of an annual rent of One Pound, > Sixteen Shillings and Eight Pence Payable yearly to his Grace the Duke of > Leeds - to my niece Ann Havard, spinster and the heirs of her body lawfully > issuing and for want of such issue, to her brother, my nephew Thomas Havard > [my 3x great grandfather] and his issue and for want of such issue to my > step daughter Mary, wife of John Crymes Esquire.' > > (The Andrew family home was Thornton House in Steynton.) > Does Ven still exist? > > Pat Dougan > Belfast Hello Pat Venn Lodge is marked on the 1:25,000 scale O.S. map and is just north of the road that runs east from Milford Haven (Black Bridge) to Waterston. A Little Venn Farm and Great Venn Farm existed at the time of the 1891 census. Gerry Lewis

on 5/2/04 9:26 pm, Debbie Olsen at [email protected] wrote: > > I noticed the similarity between the Greenhill (1841) and Dreen Hill (1871) > and wonder if one of these is a mistake. > > Any help would be appreciated. But I'm particularly interested in the 1861 > census for William and Lettice at this point. It may answer some other > questions. If you are related to this family, I would like to hear from you. > > Thanks so much. > > Debbie Hello Debbie There is a Dreenhill in Steynton, but no Greenhill. I suspect the transcriber of the 1841 census decided Dreenhill wasn't right and substituted Greenhill. Also Gallinwick (?) is Gelliswick. "Roach" is Roch parish on St Bride's Bay. If you want the ones I've found in my 1891 census database let me know. Gerry Lewis

Hello Pat, last week we had information from the list (Janetana Davies) confirming our Smith family on "Timberland,West Haroldstone". Thomas Smith ,the father of our Elizabeth Smith is listed as Farmer. Elizabeth was born circ. 1850. The wife of Thomas is given as Jane , she is apparently his second wife , and is the stepmother to our Elizabeth. Elizabeth 's mother was apparently the owner of the farm !! - could you please check the 1841 census to see who is listed on the 1841 census on the "Timberland farm,West Haroldstone". It could be a Venable family? Thank you for your past asistance, Herb and Mary Schwarz, Ontario,Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Powell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 3:57 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] 1861 census lookup Woolcock/Woodcock/Woodcok/Woocock > Hello Debbie > > I have the 1841 census - original not transcribed - and it is definitely > Woolcock . > > Also the location is definitely Dreenhill in 1841 too. > > I'll get back to you on the 1861 entry. > > Cheers > > Pat > > > > > > In message <[email protected]>, Debbie > Olsen <[email protected]> writes > >Hi everyone, > > > >I just looked at the 1871 census for William Woodcok (aka Woodcock) and have > >concluded that he and his wife indeed are the couple in the 1841 and 1851 census > >where their name has been transcribed as 'Woolcock'. It is possible that over > >time they changed their name. If you happen to be able to locate the 1841 and > >51 census easily and can e-mail it to me, I'd appreciate it - I'd love to see > >them. But I'm actually writing for the 1861 census. > > > >I would really appreciate an 1861 census lookup for > >William and Lettice Woolcock/Woodcock/Woodcok/Woocock > >William would be 60 and Lettice 64. > > > >Here is what I believe are their other census records. If you can add anything > >to this info, I would appreciate it. I haven't seen the actual 1841 or 1851 > >census. I have the 1871. > >They both died before the 1881 census and I've tracked their grandson Joseph to > >1891. We also have a letter and photographs from Joseph. > > > >1841 Census Steynton > >Greenhill > >William Woolcock 40 ag. lab. > >Lettice 45 > >James 13 > >Mary 11 > >Celia 9 > >Thomas 7 > >Lettice 4 > >Jane 9 months > > > >1851 Census Steynton > >William Woolcock 50 b. Rudbaxton > >Lettice 54 b. Moat > >Sarah 25 b. Steynton > >Thomas Woolcock 17 b. Haverfordwest St. Thomas (sisters son) - not sure > >about this > >Lettice 14 b. Steynton > >William 3 b. Steynton grandson > > > >1871 Census Steynton address 28 Dreen Hill > >William Woodcok 70 ag. lab. St. Brides Pembrokeshire > >Lettice 74 Moat Pembrokeshire > >Joseph 12 grandson Swansea Glamorgan > > > >I noticed the similarity between the Greenhill (1841) and Dreen Hill (1871) and > >wonder if one of these is a mistake. > > > >Any help would be appreciated. But I'm particularly interested in the 1861 > >census for William and Lettice at this point. It may answer some other > >questions. If you are related to this family, I would like to hear from you. > > > >Thanks so much. > > > >Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- ------------------------------- > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online > > > >______________________________ > > -- > Pat Powell > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki PEM > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ >

Hi Listers I am trying to track down an Ellen or Elin EVANS who was born around 1839/40 in Llanstadwell or Neyland. I haven't yet been able to find her in 1861 on my census CD but information given to me by Pat Powell (thanks again for that Pat) show her with her family in Llanstadwell in 1841 as follows: Llanstadwell parish Roose dist enum dist 2 Folio 19 page 4 Neyland. Henry Evans 43 Shipwright Mary Evans 40 Maria Evans 21 Eliza Evans 20 Jonathan Evans 16 Charlotte Evans 14 Mary Anne Evans 7 Jane Evans 5 Elin Evans 1 All shown as born in county. Gerry found the family in 1851 for me (Thanks again Gerry): There was an 11 year old Elin Evans, born Llanstadwell, living in Llanstadwell with Henry (63), Jane (14), Mark Jonathan (8), Mary (50), Mary Ann (16) I would be most grateful for any sightings of Ellen aged around 31 in 1871. Best wishes Carol in Berkshire, UK

Hello Debbie I have the 1841 census - original not transcribed - and it is definitely Woolcock . Also the location is definitely Dreenhill in 1841 too. I'll get back to you on the 1861 entry. Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, Debbie Olsen <[email protected]> writes >Hi everyone, > >I just looked at the 1871 census for William Woodcok (aka Woodcock) and have >concluded that he and his wife indeed are the couple in the 1841 and 1851 census >where their name has been transcribed as 'Woolcock'. It is possible that over >time they changed their name. If you happen to be able to locate the 1841 and >51 census easily and can e-mail it to me, I'd appreciate it - I'd love to see >them. But I'm actually writing for the 1861 census. > >I would really appreciate an 1861 census lookup for >William and Lettice Woolcock/Woodcock/Woodcok/Woocock >William would be 60 and Lettice 64. > >Here is what I believe are their other census records. If you can add anything >to this info, I would appreciate it. I haven't seen the actual 1841 or 1851 >census. I have the 1871. >They both died before the 1881 census and I've tracked their grandson Joseph to >1891. We also have a letter and photographs from Joseph. > >1841 Census Steynton >Greenhill >William Woolcock 40 ag. lab. >Lettice 45 >James 13 >Mary 11 >Celia 9 >Thomas 7 >Lettice 4 >Jane 9 months > >1851 Census Steynton >William Woolcock 50 b. Rudbaxton >Lettice 54 b. Moat >Sarah 25 b. Steynton >Thomas Woolcock 17 b. Haverfordwest St. Thomas (sisters son) - not sure >about this >Lettice 14 b. Steynton >William 3 b. Steynton grandson > >1871 Census Steynton address 28 Dreen Hill >William Woodcok 70 ag. lab. St. Brides Pembrokeshire >Lettice 74 Moat Pembrokeshire >Joseph 12 grandson Swansea Glamorgan > >I noticed the similarity between the Greenhill (1841) and Dreen Hill (1871) and >wonder if one of these is a mistake. > >Any help would be appreciated. But I'm particularly interested in the 1861 >census for William and Lettice at this point. It may answer some other >questions. If you are related to this family, I would like to hear from you. > >Thanks so much. > >Debbie > > > > > > >- ------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

Ah Just a thought Could John be a brother of Francis senior? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] ANDREW - Will Oh Pat, That Will has really opened up a can of worms. You see, Joseph Davies of Gt. Hoaten is also one of mine. My gg grandmother was Martha Davies of Gt. Hoaten. Martha married William Henry Feild who was the grandson of Mary Andrew who was married to William Feild of Burton in 1780. That makes me even more convinced that we are connected - BUT WHERE? Now l'm really confused!! Going by what you have stated from the Will of Francis Andrew of 1794, it does indeed look as though my John Andrew (father of Mary married to William Feild 1780) might well be a brother of his. Rose

Rose You're confused?!?!? If I get the chance tommorow I'll transcribe all of father Francis' will, but having just looked at it there is no mention of a son John. The will was made on 28th March 1770 - was John still alive then? I'll definitely try to post this tomorrow, only my mother in law is getting out of hospital and I mightn't get the chance. Bear with me. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Andrew/Crymes > Hello Pat, > > Yes, I thought we had been in contact before. > > I would be most interested in the Wills. Do you know if there is a John > Andrew of Old Hays or Mount Misery, Priory mentioned? Since we last spoke I have > found a tree compiled by a relative of mine (it was at the Records Office in > Haverford) which states that my John was the son of Francis Andrew and > Margaret too, which would make him (if it is correct) a brother to your Dorothy. I > have found nothing to tie him to Francis and Margaret other than this tree so, > I feel, that I need more evidence. Also, on this tree it states that Mary > Andrew who married John Crymes ALSO married M. Stokes of St. Botolph's. > > Regards, > > Rose > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm >