Hi! This is my first time using this site so excuse me if I do something wrong. I'm looking for information on some of my relatives from Pembrokeshire, Pembroke Dock. I know that my great-great-uncle, Maurice Morgan married Sarah Maria Turton there in 1871 and that the marriage is recorded in September of that year in volume 11a and page 1087 of something. He said in a letter that he was born in Cum-Myles. Is all of that the name of a place? His name may have been spelled Morris on his birth record. His father was George Williams Morgan and his mother was Elizabeth Williams. They lived in Cilymaenyllwydd when they died. George's father was Morris Morgan who married Elizabeth Thomas on November 7, 1891 in Kilymaenllwyd. I believe that George Morgan's brothers and sisters lived in Pembroke, Morris, Nany and Joseph. I don't know if Nany stands for something else. Maurice's sister Henrietta or Harriet married a James Williams. They had only one daughter, Josephine, but I think her husband had a couple of sons by a previous marriage, William and Benin. Does Benin stand for Benjamin? We also have a death notice of a Rev. Josephus Williams, Charlton Place, Pembroke Dock, born about 1778 and died at 76 years old, Mar. 11, 1874. I don't expect any help, but I thought I'd throw these bits of information out the the world and maybe something will come back to me. I'd sure like to go there in person someday! Thank you! LeaMarie Morgan Robertson

Hi all Spooky or what - was looking at one of my old books this evening - then I read this thread. I remembered seeing information on Rudbaxton church, and to my surprise, the very first entry in the MI section is this: In the Lady Chapel of the church there are inscriptions thus: 1 Arms of Hayward, impaling Lloyd 2 To the memory of George Howard of this parish Esq., who departed this life ye 6th day of May Ano 1665 aged 32 yeares, and lyeth before this monument 3 To the memory of James Howard of this parish Esq. who lyeth before this monument and departed this life the 29th day of November Ano 1668 aged 35 yeares. Also to the memory of Joanna the wife of James Howard who erected this monument for her deare friends and children with the intent to ioyne partner to this monument and left this life 4 To the memory of Thomas Howard of this parish Esqr. and Mary the son and daughter of James Howard and Joanna his wife. Thomas departed this life the 7th day of July Ano Dom 1682 with Mary ye first of January Ano Dom 1685. Hope this is of some use! Regards The OGRE http://www.cefnpennar.com Wales genealogical research and data >From: "Jonathan Pike" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Will of James Havard - 1668 >Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:24:02 -0000 > >Hi Pat > >This is the will of James Haward, sometimes also seen as Hayward, from a >family settled at Fletherhill in the parish of Rudbaxton. Here is what I >have on this James and his children: > >James Haward, of Rudbaxton. He m. Joan(na), dau. of Evan Gwyn Vychan of >Moel >Ifor, Llanrhystud, Cards. He d. 29 Nov 1668, aged 35, leaving Joanna a >widow. She and her son Thomas were sued in chancery (C5/538/62) by John >Picton, Ursula Protheroe and others who alleged suppression of the will of >George Haward (d. 1665), by James Haward. They had issue: > >(1) Thomas Haward, of Rudbaxton. He m. Anne Bowen, widow of Thomas Bowen of >Trefloyne, Penally (died 1677) and dau. of Sir Erasmus Philipps, 3rd >Baronet, of Picton Castle. Thomas died 7 Jul 1682, and was bur. at >Rudbaxton. He had no issue and Fletherhill passed to his sister Mary. > >(2) Mary Haward, m. George Tasker, of Castle Pill, Steynton. She >established >and endowed a Charity School at Haverfordwest in 1684. She d. 1 Jan 1685, >bur. Rudbaxton. No issue > >I don't think that the family left any male descendants in Pembrokeshire >after the death of Thomas in 1682. > >A cousin of James Haward, Elinor, married John Picton of Rubaxton and they >were ancestors of General Sir Thomas Picton. > >Cheers, Jonathan Pike > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Victor Dougan" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:21 PM >Subject: [WLS-PEM] Will of James Havard - 1668 > > > > As promised, here's the details of the Will of James Havard of the >parish >of St Mary's, Haverfordwest, appraised 8 February 1668. > > The handwriting is difficult to decipher and the more I look at it >sometimes the name HAVARD looks like Howard. Perhaps he isn't mine after >all! There again maybe the name has been corrupted over the years. >Anyway............. > > > > "To my son Thomas Havard, my lease of the Castle Court demised unto me >from the Crown. > > > > To my son Thomas Havard, my house commonly called three pound house. > > > > To my son Thomas Havard, the stores of cattle, cows, implements of >husbandry which I own upon my land in the county of Carmarthen, provided >always that my son Thomas shall pay unto my daughter Mary Havard the full >worth and value of my cattle, cows and implements of husbandry as they >shall >be appraised and valued by two honest men, the one to be chosen by the >tutor >or tutors and guardians of my son and the other by the guardians of my >daughter hereinafter nominated. > > > > To my daughter Mary Havard, 500 pounds at her marriage to be paid by ny >wife Joan Havard. > > > > My son Thomas to pay to my daughter Mary the sum of 20 pounds out of the >profits of the Rectory of Spittal yearly. > > > > To my wife Joan Havard lands, tenements and hereditaments called >Rudbaxton >in the parish of Rudbaxton in the county of Pembroke now partly in the >occupation of Morgan Harry. > > > > To my wife Joan lands called Plowland and the mill situate in Rudbaxton >in >the tenancy of John Simms (Siming?) > > > > To my wife Joan lands in Llandissilio, Llanhuadian and Herefordshire. > > > > My wife Joan to be tutor and guardian of my son Thomas until he shall >fully accomplish and attain the age of one and twenty years or failing her >Arthur Owen, William Scourfield and Thomas Davies. > > > > John Evans of Treventy(?), Gentleman and Erasmus Evans of Burton Close >to >be tutors and guardians of my daughter Mary Havard. > > > > Wife Joan and daughter Mary to be executors and to them all not >previously >mentioned. If Joan remarries she is not to benefit from my estate. > > > > To the poor of the parish of Rudbaxton, 4 payments of 1 pound per year." > > > > There is also an inventory of his goods held in Dydwell and Rudbaxton. > > Hope he is mine!! > > > > Pat Dougan > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Dyfed FHS > > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ > > > > > > >==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== >Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Hi Pat This is the will of James Haward, sometimes also seen as Hayward, from a family settled at Fletherhill in the parish of Rudbaxton. Here is what I have on this James and his children: James Haward, of Rudbaxton. He m. Joan(na), dau. of Evan Gwyn Vychan of Moel Ifor, Llanrhystud, Cards. He d. 29 Nov 1668, aged 35, leaving Joanna a widow. She and her son Thomas were sued in chancery (C5/538/62) by John Picton, Ursula Protheroe and others who alleged suppression of the will of George Haward (d. 1665), by James Haward. They had issue: (1) Thomas Haward, of Rudbaxton. He m. Anne Bowen, widow of Thomas Bowen of Trefloyne, Penally (died 1677) and dau. of Sir Erasmus Philipps, 3rd Baronet, of Picton Castle. Thomas died 7 Jul 1682, and was bur. at Rudbaxton. He had no issue and Fletherhill passed to his sister Mary. (2) Mary Haward, m. George Tasker, of Castle Pill, Steynton. She established and endowed a Charity School at Haverfordwest in 1684. She d. 1 Jan 1685, bur. Rudbaxton. No issue I don't think that the family left any male descendants in Pembrokeshire after the death of Thomas in 1682. A cousin of James Haward, Elinor, married John Picton of Rubaxton and they were ancestors of General Sir Thomas Picton. Cheers, Jonathan Pike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Dougan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Will of James Havard - 1668 > As promised, here's the details of the Will of James Havard of the parish of St Mary's, Haverfordwest, appraised 8 February 1668. > The handwriting is difficult to decipher and the more I look at it sometimes the name HAVARD looks like Howard. Perhaps he isn't mine after all! There again maybe the name has been corrupted over the years. Anyway............. > > "To my son Thomas Havard, my lease of the Castle Court demised unto me from the Crown. > > To my son Thomas Havard, my house commonly called three pound house. > > To my son Thomas Havard, the stores of cattle, cows, implements of husbandry which I own upon my land in the county of Carmarthen, provided always that my son Thomas shall pay unto my daughter Mary Havard the full worth and value of my cattle, cows and implements of husbandry as they shall be appraised and valued by two honest men, the one to be chosen by the tutor or tutors and guardians of my son and the other by the guardians of my daughter hereinafter nominated. > > To my daughter Mary Havard, 500 pounds at her marriage to be paid by ny wife Joan Havard. > > My son Thomas to pay to my daughter Mary the sum of 20 pounds out of the profits of the Rectory of Spittal yearly. > > To my wife Joan Havard lands, tenements and hereditaments called Rudbaxton in the parish of Rudbaxton in the county of Pembroke now partly in the occupation of Morgan Harry. > > To my wife Joan lands called Plowland and the mill situate in Rudbaxton in the tenancy of John Simms (Siming?) > > To my wife Joan lands in Llandissilio, Llanhuadian and Herefordshire. > > My wife Joan to be tutor and guardian of my son Thomas until he shall fully accomplish and attain the age of one and twenty years or failing her Arthur Owen, William Scourfield and Thomas Davies. > > John Evans of Treventy(?), Gentleman and Erasmus Evans of Burton Close to be tutors and guardians of my daughter Mary Havard. > > Wife Joan and daughter Mary to be executors and to them all not previously mentioned. If Joan remarries she is not to benefit from my estate. > > To the poor of the parish of Rudbaxton, 4 payments of 1 pound per year." > > There is also an inventory of his goods held in Dydwell and Rudbaxton. > Hope he is mine!! > > Pat Dougan > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ > >

Hi Mel If you start at the Genuki page http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Dinas/index.html Use the link under Maps, then on to Dinas X, go to old-maps. The first view is of Dinas X, click on the up arrow a couple of times will bring Brynhenllan hamlet into view, then enlarge the map. I don't see a Brynhenllan farm marked as such, there is a Henllan though. The other route is to have a look at the Tithe maps, nice trip out for you to the Archives tomorrow :-) Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "David&Mel Stark" <[email protected]> To: "Gareth" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:01 PM Subject: RE: [Dyfed] help wanted! how to find out where someone lived > > Dwelling is BRYNHENLLAN farm in BRYNHENLLAN DINAS CROSS pembs! > > enough of a clue? > thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gareth [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:39 PM > To: David&Mel Stark; Dyfed > Cc: PEM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] help wanted! how to find out where someone lived > > > Hi Mel > Give us a clue , go on, which place, which parish ?? :-) > > Gareth > List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David&Mel Stark" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:01 PM > Subject: [Dyfed] help wanted! how to find out where someone lived > > > > Dear All > > > > Advice needed! - I have been told that part of my family lived/owned a > > particular property for "generations" - I have gone back 4 generations > from > > me, with evidence of family living in said place, the next generation back > > is a bit more sketchy - I cant seem to find the dwelling named anywhere > just > > the parish! > > > > Where should I be looking - I am talking early- mid 1800's ,.. and have > not > > got the foggiest where to look! > > > > Many many thanks in anticipation, > > > > Mel in Sunny Fishguard! > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.567 / Virus Database: 358 - Release Date: 1/24/04 > > > > > > ==== DYFED Mailing List ==== > > Genuki CMN http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/ > > > > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.567 / Virus Database: 358 - Release Date: 1/24/04 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.567 / Virus Database: 358 - Release Date: 1/24/04 > >

Hi Mel Give us a clue , go on, which place, which parish ?? :-) Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "David&Mel Stark" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: [Dyfed] help wanted! how to find out where someone lived > Dear All > > Advice needed! - I have been told that part of my family lived/owned a > particular property for "generations" - I have gone back 4 generations from > me, with evidence of family living in said place, the next generation back > is a bit more sketchy - I cant seem to find the dwelling named anywhere just > the parish! > > Where should I be looking - I am talking early- mid 1800's ,.. and have not > got the foggiest where to look! > > Many many thanks in anticipation, > > Mel in Sunny Fishguard! > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.567 / Virus Database: 358 - Release Date: 1/24/04 > > > ==== DYFED Mailing List ==== > Genuki CMN http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/ > >

Dear All Advice needed! - I have been told that part of my family lived/owned a particular property for "generations" - I have gone back 4 generations from me, with evidence of family living in said place, the next generation back is a bit more sketchy - I cant seem to find the dwelling named anywhere just the parish! Where should I be looking - I am talking early- mid 1800's ,.. and have not got the foggiest where to look! Many many thanks in anticipation, Mel in Sunny Fishguard! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.567 / Virus Database: 358 - Release Date: 1/24/04

As promised, here's the details of the Will of James Havard of the parish of St Mary's, Haverfordwest, appraised 8 February 1668. The handwriting is difficult to decipher and the more I look at it sometimes the name HAVARD looks like Howard. Perhaps he isn't mine after all! There again maybe the name has been corrupted over the years. Anyway............. "To my son Thomas Havard, my lease of the Castle Court demised unto me from the Crown. To my son Thomas Havard, my house commonly called three pound house. To my son Thomas Havard, the stores of cattle, cows, implements of husbandry which I own upon my land in the county of Carmarthen, provided always that my son Thomas shall pay unto my daughter Mary Havard the full worth and value of my cattle, cows and implements of husbandry as they shall be appraised and valued by two honest men, the one to be chosen by the tutor or tutors and guardians of my son and the other by the guardians of my daughter hereinafter nominated. To my daughter Mary Havard, 500 pounds at her marriage to be paid by ny wife Joan Havard. My son Thomas to pay to my daughter Mary the sum of 20 pounds out of the profits of the Rectory of Spittal yearly. To my wife Joan Havard lands, tenements and hereditaments called Rudbaxton in the parish of Rudbaxton in the county of Pembroke now partly in the occupation of Morgan Harry. To my wife Joan lands called Plowland and the mill situate in Rudbaxton in the tenancy of John Simms (Siming?) To my wife Joan lands in Llandissilio, Llanhuadian and Herefordshire. My wife Joan to be tutor and guardian of my son Thomas until he shall fully accomplish and attain the age of one and twenty years or failing her Arthur Owen, William Scourfield and Thomas Davies. John Evans of Treventy(?), Gentleman and Erasmus Evans of Burton Close to be tutors and guardians of my daughter Mary Havard. Wife Joan and daughter Mary to be executors and to them all not previously mentioned. If Joan remarries she is not to benefit from my estate. To the poor of the parish of Rudbaxton, 4 payments of 1 pound per year." There is also an inventory of his goods held in Dydwell and Rudbaxton. Hope he is mine!! Pat Dougan

I know the feeling Deirdre......the number I've times I've said "Why didn't I think of that!" Glad we could help. However, just think of the poor mother....she'd probably not even know she was pregnant when her husband died. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "john & deirdre briscombe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Christmas > Dear Carol and Bettye > > Thanks so much for your help.We have spent so much time wondering HOW anyone > could call a child Posthumerous without wondering WHY. So with your > information in mind and knowing James' father was also James, I began > checking back through records recently sent by a cousin which I hadn't had > time to look at thoroughly, and lo and behold there he was. James P Lawson > born Feb 1816 - Father James Lawson died June 1815! > > So thank you both for helping to clear up one of our little mysteries. > > Deirdre > Dungog > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <[email protected]> > To: "john & deirdre briscombe" <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 10:06 PM > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Christmas > > > > Dear Deirdre, > > > > It was not usual with Welsh naming......I found a record for a Posthumous > > Rhydderch which I thought an awful mouthful. A child was often called > > Posthumous, naturally, when he was born after his father had > died.....maybe > > it could apply if the mother died in childbirth also....but I've only > found > > records which relate to the child having a dead father. > > > > Bettye Kirkwood. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "john & deirdre briscombe" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 2:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Christmas > > > > > > > Hi Gerry and All > > > > > > A little more on unusual Christian names. Whilst my Great Uncle > Christmas > > > (Uncle Chris for short) was born on Christmas Day, the name of my > > > GGGrandfather James POSTHUMOUS Lawson (born 1816) has left us all > > wondering! > > > > > > Deirdre > > > Dungog, Oz. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gerry" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:08 AM > > > Subject: [WLS-PEM] Christmas > > > > > > > > > > Hello All > > > > > > > > Here's a bit of trivia concerning the 1891 census of Pembrokeshire. > > > > > > > > I've just found a fourth person with a Christian name Christmas. He > has > > a > > > > brother named Ascension which must be quite unusual. For the Morse > fans > > > > amongst you I haven't found an Endeavour yet. > > > > > > > > Gerry Lewis > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > Pembrokeshire Archives > > > > email [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange > > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Harvey" <[email protected]> To: "Carmarthenshire, Wales Family History" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-CMN] New to list Mylett Farm+LEWIS > This mailing list is sponsored by Wales-Genealogy. > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.com > ======================================= > > Pauline and Listers,Hi. > Could anyone give me information about Farms and farming1756-1851 + near > Laugharne.Carmarthen. > > Would a census record of 'FARMER' mean tenant or owner and what would 125 > acres in this area at this time suggest, Scratching a living/ modest > /comfortable ? > > Would it be mixed /sheep /other. > What education would the children of such a farm have ,if any? > > Would the farm support one or a few sons. What would younger or sons not > working on the farm look to for a livlihood/ > > I am trying to get a picture of the farm and Isuppose a bit of social > history of this time. > > Would appreciate any information or suggested sources of such information. > Kind regards, > Sue in LLantrisant****************** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Harvey" <[email protected]> > To: "Carmarthenshire, Wales Family History" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [WLS-CMN] New to list Mylett Farm+LEWIS > > > > This mailing list is sponsored by Wales-Genealogy. > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.com > > ======================================= > > > > Pauline Hi, > > Many thanks for your prompt and useful reply . As I know who is there in > > 1851 Ishall try going back until ,With luck I will find Rachel there in > > 1838/41.Quick arithmatic could make Rachel at 14 the one I need as 1838 > > depending on 1/4would work ;also William as younger brother is good. > > Second wife interesting thought. > > I now have excuse to visit Carmarthen! > > Kind regards, > > Sue in LLantrisant****************** > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pauline James" <[email protected]> > > To: "Carmarthenshire, Wales Family History" > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [WLS-CMN] New to list Mylett Farm+LEWIS > > > > > > > This mailing list is sponsored by Wales-Genealogy. > > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.com > > > ======================================= > > > > > > Hi Sue > > > > > > Do you have the 1851 census for Milett farm? > > > > > > If not, here is the entry > > > > > > enu dist 2a, sch 24 page 6 > > > Milett > > > David Lewis head marr 75 farmer 120 acre born Laugharne > > > Martha Lewis wife marr 52 born Lampeter Velfrey Pembs > > > Eliza dau 26 born Laugharne > > > David 19 > > > Thomas 17 > > > Rachel 14 > > > William 12 > > > 3 servants > > > all children born in Laugharne..... > > > > > > I am currently indexing Laugharne and will be available as a Parish > > > Anthology on CD.....there is another person who is also indexing the > > earlier > > > part, so this will be compiled from beginning of the records. > > > > > > I know that CRO has a good coverage of Laugharne so perhaps it would be > > > worth a visit...... > > > > > > Do you think that Martha is his 2nd wife? > > > > > > Pauline > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Susan Harvey" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:41 PM > > > Subject: [WLS-CMN] New to list Mylett Farm+LEWIS > > > > > > > > > This mailing list is sponsored by Wales-Genealogy. > > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.com > > > ============= > > > > > > Hullo , > > > I am new to the list and looking for information about Mylett sometimes > > > Millett farm ,I think near Laugharne. > > > > > > I would like to find out about the Farm , the area and the Lewis Family > > who > > > lived there in the mid 1800s > > > > > > Rachel Lewis born 1838 if correctly attributed to this Farm is my > > > Gt-Grandmother. > > > > > > Any information about the LEWIS family and the MORGANS(s) both of > Redberth > > > IN 1838+/- would be of great interest. > > > Kind Regards, > > > Sue in LLantrisant,Glam. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > WLS-Carmarthenshire mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://www.british-genealogy.com/mailman/listinfo/wls-carmarthenshire > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > WLS-Carmarthenshire mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://www.british-genealogy.com/mailman/listinfo/wls-carmarthenshire > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLS-Carmarthenshire mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.british-genealogy.com/mailman/listinfo/wls-carmarthenshire > > _______________________________________________ > WLS-Carmarthenshire mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.british-genealogy.com/mailman/listinfo/wls-carmarthenshire

Dear Carol and Bettye Thanks so much for your help.We have spent so much time wondering HOW anyone could call a child Posthumerous without wondering WHY. So with your information in mind and knowing James' father was also James, I began checking back through records recently sent by a cousin which I hadn't had time to look at thoroughly, and lo and behold there he was. James P Lawson born Feb 1816 - Father James Lawson died June 1815! So thank you both for helping to clear up one of our little mysteries. Deirdre Dungog ----- Original Message ----- From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <[email protected]> To: "john & deirdre briscombe" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Christmas > Dear Deirdre, > > It was not usual with Welsh naming......I found a record for a Posthumous > Rhydderch which I thought an awful mouthful. A child was often called > Posthumous, naturally, when he was born after his father had died.....maybe > it could apply if the mother died in childbirth also....but I've only found > records which relate to the child having a dead father. > > Bettye Kirkwood. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john & deirdre briscombe" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 2:36 PM > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Christmas > > > > Hi Gerry and All > > > > A little more on unusual Christian names. Whilst my Great Uncle Christmas > > (Uncle Chris for short) was born on Christmas Day, the name of my > > GGGrandfather James POSTHUMOUS Lawson (born 1816) has left us all > wondering! > > > > Deirdre > > Dungog, Oz. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gerry" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:08 AM > > Subject: [WLS-PEM] Christmas > > > > > > > Hello All > > > > > > Here's a bit of trivia concerning the 1891 census of Pembrokeshire. > > > > > > I've just found a fourth person with a Christian name Christmas. He has > a > > > brother named Ascension which must be quite unusual. For the Morse fans > > > amongst you I haven't found an Endeavour yet. > > > > > > Gerry Lewis > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > Pembrokeshire Archives > > > email [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > > > > > >

I was remiss in not sending this to the list Gerry Lewis-Steer, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry K. Lewis-Steer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > Hi Alwyn > I am taking you up on your kind offer to do a lookup in the 1871 census. > I am looking for my great grandmother: > > Name: Mary Ann Johns > DOB: circa 1858 > Place: Haverfordwest ( according to the 1891 census she was born in Crundle, > and in the 1881 and 1901 census in Haverfordwest) > > She had a brother named Samuel Mabe Johns, born circa 1854 (as per 1881 > census) in Haverfordwest ( on his gravestone it shows he died in 1898 at age > of 47 making his DOB as 1851). > > In the 1881 census there is also listed a nephew Thomas L. Johns, born circa > 1864 in Haverfordwest (deaf and dumb). > > On her wedding certificate from 1876 it gave her father as James Johns ( > High Bailiff). Her brother Samuel Johns was a witness as well as an Alice > Johns. > > I sincerely hope that you help. > Very best wishes from what has been a frigid January > > Gerry Lewis-Steer, Calgary, Canada > > > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:11 AM > Subject: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > > > > > > Ancestry have added the 1871 census for Pembrokeshire to their UK site, if > > anybody needs a lookup just holler - but if you need a lookup for John > Jones and > > the like please send enough info to make finding the right one possible > > > > All the best > > > > Alwyn > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Pembrokeshire Archives > > email [email protected] > > > > >

Hello list, I'm trying to find the baptism of my great aunt, Phyllis Davies. She was born March 13, 1887 to Martha Davies, domestic servant. On her birth certificate it says under "where born" St. Daniels Hill, Pembroke and under "signature,desc. & residence of informant", St. Daniels Hill, Pembroke. There is no mention of a father. I'm not sure where Phyllis would have been baptised but if anyone has any ideas I would be most appreciative. I believe that Martha would have been around 26 years of age at the time of Phyllis' birth. Martha went on to marry in September 1887. She married in Walter John Hoad in Surrey, England. He was 10 years younger. I would love to find out the connection that lies there??? Any ideas or suggestions welcome. Libby Clarke Bracebridge, ON Canada --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 03/02/2004

An e-mail I received about Llawhaden. Somewhere out there on the group, you have got some long lost cousins!! Regards Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Hendon To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 11:46 PM Subject: RE: ST AIDAN's Church, LLAWHADEN. Dear Mr. Davies, I just wanted to thank you for the information you have provided about St. Aidan's in Llawhaden. Your site is very informative. One of my ancestors, Solomon HENDEN, was Vicar there from Aug., 1694 until his death in 1745. Can you tell me if Solomon is buried there in the churchyard? How could I find out the date of his death? Solomon's brother, William HENDEN- - who migrated to Virginia c1697, is my direct ancestor. It is believed that William and some of his family perished during the voyage Thanks again. Regards, ~Wayne Hendon Texas, USA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/2004

Dear Deirdre, It was not usual with Welsh naming......I found a record for a Posthumous Rhydderch which I thought an awful mouthful. A child was often called Posthumous, naturally, when he was born after his father had died.....maybe it could apply if the mother died in childbirth also....but I've only found records which relate to the child having a dead father. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "john & deirdre briscombe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Christmas > Hi Gerry and All > > A little more on unusual Christian names. Whilst my Great Uncle Christmas > (Uncle Chris for short) was born on Christmas Day, the name of my > GGGrandfather James POSTHUMOUS Lawson (born 1816) has left us all wondering! > > Deirdre > Dungog, Oz. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerry" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:08 AM > Subject: [WLS-PEM] Christmas > > > > Hello All > > > > Here's a bit of trivia concerning the 1891 census of Pembrokeshire. > > > > I've just found a fourth person with a Christian name Christmas. He has a > > brother named Ascension which must be quite unusual. For the Morse fans > > amongst you I haven't found an Endeavour yet. > > > > Gerry Lewis > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Pembrokeshire Archives > > email [email protected] > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > >

Hi Gerry and All A little more on unusual Christian names. Whilst my Great Uncle Christmas (Uncle Chris for short) was born on Christmas Day, the name of my GGGrandfather James POSTHUMOUS Lawson (born 1816) has left us all wondering! Deirdre Dungog, Oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Christmas > Hello All > > Here's a bit of trivia concerning the 1891 census of Pembrokeshire. > > I've just found a fourth person with a Christian name Christmas. He has a > brother named Ascension which must be quite unusual. For the Morse fans > amongst you I haven't found an Endeavour yet. > > Gerry Lewis > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Pembrokeshire Archives > email [email protected] >

Hello again Megan I have a connection with the Palmer family of Carew, although not descended from them. The Hannah Parcell who married Allen Palmer in 1767 that Bettye mentioned in her reply to you is my ancestor. Allen Palmer of Park, Carew died in 1779 and Hannah then married my ancestor Thomas Reed in 1781. Their daughter Margaret married Allen Hier in 1806 at Carew. Mr Bill Griffiths of Pembroke has told me that the Palmer tree was constructed by a Mr Dawkins Palmour and that Mr Ashley Palmer is a descendant, maybe Bill could put you in touch regarding the Phelps connection. His address is on the DFHS website. Best wishes Sandra > -----Original Message----- > From: Megan Phelps [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 06 February 2004 23:13 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1871 Census - Greenish > > > Dear List > > This is somewhat tangential but I wonder if the tenant mentioned, Henry > Palmer of Carew, may be a relative of Ashley John Roch Palmer, who > published a Member's Birth Brief with tree in the second Dyfed FHS > Journal, Volume 2, page 164. Some of his antecedents were baptised at > Carew and include Phelps of Creswell, Yerbeston and Begelly. I am > attempting to find "my" Henry Phelps, baptised Carew 1802, son of Henry > and Mary Phelps, into these families. AJR Palmer wrote at the time that > work was being done on the Phelps families, > > Regards > > Megan Phelps > Sydney, Australia > > ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk

Hi Deidre I had some help on the list with finding the baptism of my William SCURLOCK (my ggg grandfather). He was the William Posthumous SCURLOCK baptised in Llanstadwell in 1815 just a few weeks after the death of his 25 year old father, also a William SCURLOCK. William was the third born son and not only took his father's Christian name but the fact that his father died before his birth was also recognised in the baptismal register. Since his 1815 baptism I have not come across the 'Posthumous' bit again. He didn't use it on his marriage certificate and he is never referred to as William P SCURLOCK on any census entry. In the IGI his is just given as William SCURLOCK for the baptisms of his children. Hope this helps. Do you think your James Posthumous LAWSON might have been baptised after the death of his father? Best wishes Carol in Berkshire

Dear Megan, Henry Palmer had been a prosperous planter in Jamaica, although he was a native of Carew. (If we mislay an ancestor of two, they could have perhaps toddled off to the West Indies). His claim to fame is said to be cutting asparagus growing in the open at Gelliswick on Christmas Day 1818. He is said to have died on 16 August 1849 at age 72. His family continued at Gelliswick for some time thereafter. At Carew there was an Allen Palmer married Hannah Parcell in 1767, George Palmer 1790 m. Elizabeth Llewelyn and James Palmer in 1783 married Mary Davies. Other Palmer males married at Tenby and various other places in this particular Hundred. There is a very large number of Palmer and Parcell ladies who married here too. There is a connection.....but I don't know what it is...except honour and trust.... between the Phelps whom I'm interest in and the Parsell/Parcell family. There is a marriage between Henry Parcell and Elizabeth Phelps at Amroth in 1809. (And for Rose, whose mailbox is always full when I send anything lately, one of our Richard Rowes married Rebecca Palmer at Carew in 1773). The volume you mention, Megan, is before my time. I wonder if there is a follow-up article somewhere, or perhaps a pedigree lodged with the Dyfed FH Society, or The National Library. That tree sounds awfully interesting. Bettye K. PS.Is it as hot in your suburb as it is in mine? 40 deg. C. predicted again for tomorrow!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan Phelps" <[email protected]> To: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1871 Census - Greenish > Dear List > > This is somewhat tangential but I wonder if the tenant mentioned, Henry > Palmer of Carew, may be a relative of Ashley John Roch Palmer, who > published a Member's Birth Brief with tree in the second Dyfed FHS > Journal, Volume 2, page 164. Some of his antecedents were baptised at > Carew and include Phelps of Creswell, Yerbeston and Begelly. I am > attempting to find "my" Henry Phelps, baptised Carew 1802, son of Henry > and Mary Phelps, into these families. AJR Palmer wrote at the time that > work was being done on the Phelps families, > > Regards > > Megan Phelps > Sydney, Australia > > > On Saturday, February 7, 2004, at 09:04 AM, BJ & LC Kirkwood wrote: > > > Dear Sally, > > > > As promised.... > > > > extract from Major Francis Jones' article on Gelliswick > > > > "It seems that his family" (that of the tenant Henry Palmer of Carew) > > "continued there a few years more, but by 1861 James Greenish, > > previously > > farming at Neeston, had taken over Gelliswick. He was succeeded in > > 1867 by > > his son, also named James, who married Mary Elizabeth Bassett Harries > > of > > Hilton in Roch Parish. He farmed the property till his death in 1899 > > when > > he was followed by his son Robert Picton Greenish who did not remain > > there > > long. In 1910 Mr. John Belton and his sister Cordelia took over > > Gelliswick". > > > > The Major, being the late Welsh Herald of Arms Extraordinary is > > usually most > > reliable.....and at least it gives you bases for further research. > > > > As to the "George" placed before the names James Greenish in your > > research.....maybe they just did not like it and dropped it from > > general > > use! > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "s.lloyd9" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] 1871 Census - Greenish > > > > > >> Hello List, > >> Ann has very kindly sent me Lettice Greenish and family living in > >> Charles Street, Steynton and James Greenish plus family living at > >> Gallinwick(?) Farm, Hubberstone > >> > >> Charles St Steyton > >> Lettice Greenish W 63 Landed Proprietor > >> B Walton West > >> Robert " son S 35 > >> Hebrandstone--blind from small pox > >> Martha L " dau " 33 > >> " > >> Elizabeth " " " 28 > >> " > >> Maria Davies servant " 19 > >> Haverfordwest > >> > >> Gallinwick(?) Hubberstone > >> James Greenish 34 farmer 500 acres > >> Hebrandstone > >> Mary E B " 34 wife > >> Roach > >> George P " 5 son > >> Milford > >> Robert " 4 " > >> Haverfordwest > >> Samuel K " 2 " > >> Hubberstone > >> and 5 servants--including a nurse and a nursemaid > >> > >> It's interesting that Lettice gives her place of birth as Walton West > >> in > >> 1871, this is where she was married in 1830 and is closer Lambston > >> where > > her > >> sister Mary Davies is thought to have been born. So now I'm looking > >> for > > the > >> birth of a Lettice Davies c.1807 in Walton West rather than Milford. > >> I think I have found James' son George Greenish, christened George > > James > >> Greenish 17 Oct 1865 St Mary, Haverford West; father George James > >> Greenish > >> and mother Mary Elizabeth Bassett. This son died in 1884 aged 18. > > James' > >> wife Mary died in 1873 ( in FreeBMD Mary Elizabeth B. Greenish), > >> maybe > > she > >> died following the birth of Francis who was born that year. > >> It's a bit of a puzzling that George's father's name is > >> given as > >> George James rather than just James. I wonder if Bassett was Mary > >> Elizabeth's surname or one of her first names? perhaps after her > >> marriage > >> she added her maiden name to her married name? Can anyone tell me > >> anything about her birth place ''Roach''? > >> > >> > >> Sally > >> > >> > >> --- > >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 03/02/04 > >> > >> > >> ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> Gareth's Help Page > >> http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Genuki Wales > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > > >

Hi Bettye I have a copy of the will of a Richard Parcell of the parish of 'Ambroth' dated 10th August 1772 to which a Henry Parcell is a witness. I wonder if its the same Henry that you mention. He leaves all his personal estate to his 'dear spouse' (he doesn't name her) and forty shillings to each of his children, Phillip and Elizabeth Parcell. He also bequeaths one pound one shilling to his grandson Tomas Rees. The witnesses were Thomas Williams, Henry Rees and Henry Parcell. I have copies of more Parcell wills if anyone is interested - I did promise to send details to a lady from California (I think), but unfortunately lost her details when I had to restore my computer. So if she is on this list, please get in touch. Sandra > > There is a connection.....but I don't know what it is...except honour and > trust.... between the Phelps whom I'm interest in and the Parsell/Parcell > family. There is a marriage between Henry Parcell and Elizabeth Phelps at > Amroth in 1809. > > ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk

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