AnnHi., Still can't find Rachel b1838 Laugharne and Lewis Morgan(s)born 1834 Redberth . They were married in Neath district possibly, LLantwit in1867 no children until 1873 when they are in Hafod Porth .Could you try any place that might relate to Neath LLantwit ,or Hafod Rhondda.Sorry its vague ,say if too time consumming. Any help appreciated, Cheers Sue in LLantrisant.********************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "JANETANN DAVIES" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > > like Alwyn I am more than willing to do look ups in 1871 on line > Ann D in Aber > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki PEM > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ >

on 13/2/04 6:13 am, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote: > Hi! Mentioned in a letter dated 1866 of my great-great-great...grandfather, > George Morgan, were a list of pall bearers for my > great-great-great...grandmother's funeral. Unfortunately, when my great-great > grandfather came from Wales to the U.S., he didn't pass on the language. I > can't tell what the names mean but assume that they are place names. If so, > I'd > like to know where they are and if there is any other info. as to who they > are. > For instance Ben Benlan. Does Lan mean something? Is Benlan a place? A > surname? Etc. > > The names are as follows: > > Maly Crinw > Nely'r Lan > Jennie Tymawr > Davis Login (read service and prayed/preached at the end) > Morris (Maurice) > Ben Benlan (Benjamin?) > Morris Penbont > Benin > Twm (Tom) Llancewn > William - son of Harriett > > Any help in understanding would be appreciated. Thanks! > Hello Leamarie There is a farm/house called Lan in Cilymaenllwyd and a place called Pen-y-bont newydd near Login. And another place called Penbontbren near Cwm-miles (see my other replies). Gerry Lewis

on 13/2/04 5:55 am, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote: > Hi! This is my first time using this site so excuse me if I do something > wrong. > I'm looking for information on some of my relatives from Pembrokeshire, > Pembroke Dock. I know that my great-great-uncle, Maurice Morgan married Sarah > Maria Turton there in 1871 and that the marriage is recorded in September of > that year in volume 11a and page 1087 of something. He said in a letter that > he > was born in Cum-Myles. Is all of that the name of a place? His name may have > been spelled Morris on his birth record. His father was George Williams > Morgan > and his mother was Elizabeth Williams. They lived in Cilymaenyllwydd when > they > died. George's father was Morris Morgan who married Elizabeth Thomas on > November 7, 1891 in Kilymaenllwyd. > > I believe that George Morgan's brothers and sisters lived in Pembroke, Morris, > Nany and Joseph. I don't know if Nany stands for something else. > > Maurice's sister Henrietta or Harriet married a James Williams. They had > only > one daughter, Josephine, but I think her husband had a couple of sons by a > previous marriage, William and Benin. Does Benin stand for Benjamin? We also > have a death notice of a Rev. Josephus Williams, Charlton Place, Pembroke > Dock, > born about 1778 and died at 76 years old, Mar. 11, 1874. > > I don't expect any help, but I thought I'd throw these bits of information out > the the world and maybe something will come back to me. I'd sure like to go > there in person someday! Thank you! LeaMarie Morgan Robertson Hello LeaMarie Cwm-miles is a hamlet less than a mile south of Login, both in the parish of Cilymaenllwyd. Gerry Lewis

on 13/2/04 6:05 am, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote: > Hi! I have some letters in my posession that talk of a "Aunt Mary of Crinow" > or > in other places, Mary Crinw. Does anyone know where that is? One of the > letters reads as follows: "Aunt of Crinow has made a sale there last Monday > week and has gone to live in her new Villa fronting Sheky(?) Howell's Turnpike > gate Narberth, (near Greenway Vack Railway Station - which has been opened > abt. > 3 months since from Whitland to Greenway Vach. Templetown Tenby and Penbroke > Dock... Harriet...Uncle of Penbroke Dock...Ben and his family...Aunt Phebe > Theravon (Aheravon?) paralized 12 months...." > > Can anyone shed light on any of this for me? Are these places anywhere near > Login Wales? Kilymaenyllwyd? Merthyr-Tidfyl? > > Also, is Warriet a common name or nic-name? > > The letters were written in the mid-late 1800s. > > Thank you! LeaMarie Hello LeaMarie I have found just one example of a Christian name like Warriett and that is in the 1891 census - 11 year old Wariotte G. Morgans living at Rhos, Llandewi Velfrey, just to the east of Narberth. His father Morris Morgans (76 years old) was born in Cilymaenllwyd. His wife Mary aged 40 is presumably his second wife. In 1891 there was a Greenway Farm and a Greenway House in Narberth. Greenway Farm is still in existence - in Station Road, Narberth - less than 400 yards from Narberth Railway Station. Login is a village in the parish of Cilymaenllwyd (Carmarthenshire) which is about 5-7 miles north east of Narberth (Pembrokeshire). Merthyr Tydfil is in the county of Glamorgan about 50 miles to the east. Gerry Lewis

February 14, 2004, Hello Bettye, On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, you wrote: but there is always my drop of Hayward/Heywood/Haward/Howard blood... Bettye, your Heywood name is of interest to me and I thought that I would send you my little selection. Here is what I have so far: The following was taken from the Channel Islands 1851 census index: Ann HAYWOOD, age 62, b. USA, daughter Sarah, age 24, b. Ireland, son Thomas, age 22, b. England. On the 1851 Channel Islands census index, Ann had an older daughter named Hailey/Alice/Aley (married name Buttery), age 27, b. Ireland. There was no husband listed for Ann on the 1851 Channel Islands census index but on the 1861 Channel Islands census index she was listed as a widow. The maiden surname spelling for Hailey/Alice/Aley on one of her children's birth certificates was HEYWOOD. My wish is to find where Ann was born in U.S.A. and what her husband's name was. And also where her children were born in Ireland and England. Could it be that some of this is related to your line? Sincerely. Joan. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca

What I am about to ask may not be possible, but if it is then can I ask for a look up for the 1851 or any census before 1881 for the following, Morris, Prendergast, Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire. Occupation Blacksmith or Joiner. Names include David and Thomas. Thank you John My favourite sites. FreeBMD.com 1837online.com Lancashire BMD.org.uk Rootschat.com

Lea Marie, The railway line you write of is the Pembroe & Tenby Railway which opened up between Whoitland and Tenby in August 1866. The railway station is Narberth which is a little way outside the main township of Narberth (not much) but like all railway companies, they built the station next to the line, not the town or village! Crinow is a parish just to the east-south-east of Narberth proper. Hope this helps. Regards Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 6:05 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Crinow Crinw Theravon Tenby > Hi! I have some letters in my posession that talk of a "Aunt Mary of Crinow" or > in other places, Mary Crinw. Does anyone know where that is? One of the > letters reads as follows: "Aunt of Crinow has made a sale there last Monday > week and has gone to live in her new Villa fronting Sheky(?) Howell's Turnpike > gate Narberth, (near Greenway Vack Railway Station - which has been opened abt. > 3 months since from Whitland to Greenway Vach. Templetown Tenby and Penbroke > Dock... Harriet...Uncle of Penbroke Dock...Ben and his family...Aunt Phebe > Theravon (Aheravon?) paralized 12 months...." > > Can anyone shed light on any of this for me? Are these places anywhere near > Login Wales? Kilymaenyllwyd? Merthyr-Tidfyl? > > Also, is Warriet a common name or nic-name? > > The letters were written in the mid-late 1800s. > > Thank you! LeaMarie > > ______________________________

Hi Rose I've managed to trace my father's Irish ancestry (County Longford) back to the early 1800s which is quite an achievement. (The local rectors never got around to forwarding their parish records to Dublin as they should - thank God!) Ironically, if I could only trace them back a couple of hundred years more I would probably end up back in England! Pat (A probable Planter!) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] FW: Havard > Hi Pat, > > I totally agree with your sentiment on researching Irish ancestors. I can't > even find my grandmother's birth in Wexford and she was only born at the end > of the 19th century. I been looking for her birth for years and years. Yet, I > have amassed so much info on my Pembrokeshire gran and the families and > intermarried into her family of Feild and still the leads don't dry-up. I can go > on and on - and do!! I do wish I could do the same with my Irish ancestors. > > Regards, > Rose > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html >

Dear Jonathan, I have told Pat that I thought it was not a Havard will. No apparent surviving males of the Hayward clan, as you say, but there is always my drop of Hayward/Heywood/Haward/Howard blood...if anyone cares to go back nine generations to Elizabeth d. Thomas "Howard" who married James Lloyd as per my April 2003 article in the Dyfed Journal and Francis Green's Selby pedigree chart.....and, like me, there must be hundreds through the female lines. My own family would account for a lot. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Pike" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Will of James Havard - 1668 > Hi Pat > > This is the will of James Haward, sometimes also seen as Hayward, from a > family settled at Fletherhill in the parish of Rudbaxton. Here is what I > have on this James and his children: > > James Haward, of Rudbaxton. He m. Joan(na), dau. of Evan Gwyn Vychan of Moel > Ifor, Llanrhystud, Cards. He d. 29 Nov 1668, aged 35, leaving Joanna a > widow. She and her son Thomas were sued in chancery (C5/538/62) by John > Picton, Ursula Protheroe and others who alleged suppression of the will of > George Haward (d. 1665), by James Haward. They had issue: > > (1) Thomas Haward, of Rudbaxton. He m. Anne Bowen, widow of Thomas Bowen of > Trefloyne, Penally (died 1677) and dau. of Sir Erasmus Philipps, 3rd > Baronet, of Picton Castle. Thomas died 7 Jul 1682, and was bur. at > Rudbaxton. He had no issue and Fletherhill passed to his sister Mary. > > (2) Mary Haward, m. George Tasker, of Castle Pill, Steynton. She established > and endowed a Charity School at Haverfordwest in 1684. She d. 1 Jan 1685, > bur. Rudbaxton. No issue > > I don't think that the family left any male descendants in Pembrokeshire > after the death of Thomas in 1682. > > A cousin of James Haward, Elinor, married John Picton of Rubaxton and they > were ancestors of General Sir Thomas Picton. > > Cheers, Jonathan Pike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Victor Dougan" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:21 PM > Subject: [WLS-PEM] Will of James Havard - 1668 > > > > As promised, here's the details of the Will of James Havard of the parish > of St Mary's, Haverfordwest, appraised 8 February 1668. > > The handwriting is difficult to decipher and the more I look at it > sometimes the name HAVARD looks like Howard. Perhaps he isn't mine after > all! There again maybe the name has been corrupted over the years. > Anyway............. > > > > "To my son Thomas Havard, my lease of the Castle Court demised unto me > from the Crown. > > > > To my son Thomas Havard, my house commonly called three pound house. > > > > To my son Thomas Havard, the stores of cattle, cows, implements of > husbandry which I own upon my land in the county of Carmarthen, provided > always that my son Thomas shall pay unto my daughter Mary Havard the full > worth and value of my cattle, cows and implements of husbandry as they shall > be appraised and valued by two honest men, the one to be chosen by the tutor > or tutors and guardians of my son and the other by the guardians of my > daughter hereinafter nominated. > > > > To my daughter Mary Havard, 500 pounds at her marriage to be paid by ny > wife Joan Havard. > > > > My son Thomas to pay to my daughter Mary the sum of 20 pounds out of the > profits of the Rectory of Spittal yearly. > > > > To my wife Joan Havard lands, tenements and hereditaments called Rudbaxton > in the parish of Rudbaxton in the county of Pembroke now partly in the > occupation of Morgan Harry. > > > > To my wife Joan lands called Plowland and the mill situate in Rudbaxton in > the tenancy of John Simms (Siming?) > > > > To my wife Joan lands in Llandissilio, Llanhuadian and Herefordshire. > > > > My wife Joan to be tutor and guardian of my son Thomas until he shall > fully accomplish and attain the age of one and twenty years or failing her > Arthur Owen, William Scourfield and Thomas Davies. > > > > John Evans of Treventy(?), Gentleman and Erasmus Evans of Burton Close to > be tutors and guardians of my daughter Mary Havard. > > > > Wife Joan and daughter Mary to be executors and to them all not previously > mentioned. If Joan remarries she is not to benefit from my estate. > > > > To the poor of the parish of Rudbaxton, 4 payments of 1 pound per year." > > > > There is also an inventory of his goods held in Dydwell and Rudbaxton. > > Hope he is mine!! > > > > Pat Dougan > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Dyfed FHS > > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm > >

Hello - sorry you didn't give your name I think most of the "names" are giving the place or house where each person lived. e.g Jennie Tymawr Tymawr mean "big house" which is sometimes the actual name of the house and sometime a reference to a karge house in the area. Similarly Penbont (top of the bridge) is most likely to be the name of the house or farm. I would guess Crinw is Crinow a place in Pembrokeshire although in 1851 a family of Morgans were living in a household called "Crinow Glebe" in Llandissilio. This is the 1851 census entry - do they fit in with your family? If you send me all the details in the letter off-list I will try to identify as much as I can for you. 1851 Llandissilio enumdist 9c schedule 44 Crinow Glebe George Morgan Head M 55 Farmer 19 acres born Cmn Kilymaenllwyd Elizabeth Morgan wife M 55 PEM New Moat George Morgan son U 16 carpenter Cmn Laugharne Look forward to hearing from you Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes >Hi! Mentioned in a letter dated 1866 of my great-great-great...grandfather, >George Morgan, were a list of pall bearers for my >great-great-great...grandmother's funeral. Unfortunately, when my great-great >grandfather came from Wales to the U.S., he didn't pass on the language. I >can't tell what the names mean but assume that they are place names. If so, I'd >like to know where they are and if there is any other info. as to who they are. > For instance Ben Benlan. Does Lan mean something? Is Benlan a place? A >surname? Etc. > >The names are as follows: > >Maly Crinw >Nely'r Lan >Jennie Tymawr >Davis Login (read service and prayed/preached at the end) >Morris (Maurice) >Ben Benlan (Benjamin?) >Morris Penbont >Benin >Twm (Tom) Llancewn >William - son of Harriett > >Any help in understanding would be appreciated. Thanks! > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

Thanks Tony Maybe this family is related to the stone masons?! My Havard line is actually one of my female lines (my mother's mother's mother!) Believe it or believe it not, it is a lot easier to trace Welsh/English roots than Irish ones! Pat Belfast Northern Ireland ----- Original Message ----- From: "tony rogers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] FW: Havard > What about the family that kept the garage by the station in Haverfordwest,I > don"t know if Peter still lives there though regards Tony Rogers > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathan Pike" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:10 AM > Subject: [WLS-PEM] FW: Havard > > > > >From: "Vera Lowe" <[email protected]> > > >To: "Jonathan Pike" <[email protected]> > > >Subject: Havard > > > > >Jonathan, > > >There was a stonemason, made tombstones in Haverfordwest, in the 20th.c. > > >There was a family of that name. Thought I would mention it because of > the > > >ongoing interest in the name. Perhaps an enquiry at the Record Office > > >H'west would know more. [email protected] > > >Vera. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection > > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Pembrokeshire Archives > > email [email protected] > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki PEM > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ > >

Thanks again Jonathan Yes, I'm aware of this family. They are not mine, directly, but I suspect are descendents of my great great grandfather's brother WILLIAM HAVARD, who was a tailor in Haverfordwest in the mid to late 19th century. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Pike" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:10 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] FW: Havard > >From: "Vera Lowe" <[email protected]> > >To: "Jonathan Pike" <[email protected]> > >Subject: Havard > > >Jonathan, > >There was a stonemason, made tombstones in Haverfordwest, in the 20th.c. > >There was a family of that name. Thought I would mention it because of the > >ongoing interest in the name. Perhaps an enquiry at the Record Office > >H'west would know more. [email protected] > >Vera. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Pembrokeshire Archives > email [email protected] >

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What about the family that kept the garage by the station in Haverfordwest,I don"t know if Peter still lives there though regards Tony Rogers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Pike" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:10 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] FW: Havard > >From: "Vera Lowe" <[email protected]> > >To: "Jonathan Pike" <[email protected]> > >Subject: Havard > > >Jonathan, > >There was a stonemason, made tombstones in Haverfordwest, in the 20th.c. > >There was a family of that name. Thought I would mention it because of the > >ongoing interest in the name. Perhaps an enquiry at the Record Office > >H'west would know more. [email protected] > >Vera. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Pembrokeshire Archives > email [email protected] >

>From: "Vera Lowe" <[email protected]> >To: "Jonathan Pike" <[email protected]> >Subject: Havard >Jonathan, >There was a stonemason, made tombstones in Haverfordwest, in the 20th.c. >There was a family of that name. Thought I would mention it because of the >ongoing interest in the name. Perhaps an enquiry at the Record Office >H'west would know more. [email protected] >Vera. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Dear All, If anyone is interested in the Hayward/Howard monument in Rudbaxton Church then please take a look at my webpage where I have uploaded a photo of monument. I have no direct line of ancestry to this family but found the monument of immense interest when I visited Rudbaxton Church in 2000. You can find it at : http://www.genealogy.com/users/s/t/l/Rosemary-St-legermay/PHOTO/0058photo.html Regards Rose

Hi Pat, I totally agree with your sentiment on researching Irish ancestors. I can't even find my grandmother's birth in Wexford and she was only born at the end of the 19th century. I been looking for her birth for years and years. Yet, I have amassed so much info on my Pembrokeshire gran and the families and intermarried into her family of Feild and still the leads don't dry-up. I can go on and on - and do!! I do wish I could do the same with my Irish ancestors. Regards, Rose

According to "History of Little England" by Laws, HAVARD was a name of Norse origins. I wonder whether the Hayward/Howard family were originally from Pembs. or from England? I note Francis Jones also sites their estate in Surrey - perhaps they are not of the same family of Havard. Rose

Hi! Mentioned in a letter dated 1866 of my great-great-great...grandfather, George Morgan, were a list of pall bearers for my great-great-great...grandmother's funeral. Unfortunately, when my great-great grandfather came from Wales to the U.S., he didn't pass on the language. I can't tell what the names mean but assume that they are place names. If so, I'd like to know where they are and if there is any other info. as to who they are. For instance Ben Benlan. Does Lan mean something? Is Benlan a place? A surname? Etc. The names are as follows: Maly Crinw Nely'r Lan Jennie Tymawr Davis Login (read service and prayed/preached at the end) Morris (Maurice) Ben Benlan (Benjamin?) Morris Penbont Benin Twm (Tom) Llancewn William - son of Harriett Any help in understanding would be appreciated. Thanks!

Hi! I have some letters in my posession that talk of a "Aunt Mary of Crinow" or in other places, Mary Crinw. Does anyone know where that is? One of the letters reads as follows: "Aunt of Crinow has made a sale there last Monday week and has gone to live in her new Villa fronting Sheky(?) Howell's Turnpike gate Narberth, (near Greenway Vack Railway Station - which has been opened abt. 3 months since from Whitland to Greenway Vach. Templetown Tenby and Penbroke Dock... Harriet...Uncle of Penbroke Dock...Ben and his family...Aunt Phebe Theravon (Aheravon?) paralized 12 months...." Can anyone shed light on any of this for me? Are these places anywhere near Login Wales? Kilymaenyllwyd? Merthyr-Tidfyl? Also, is Warriet a common name or nic-name? The letters were written in the mid-late 1800s. Thank you! LeaMarie