Would SKS be able to look at the 1861 census for Carmarthen and see if Lewis Morgans is there with any family . He was born in 1834 in Redberth. His father I believe was also Lewis Morgans possible birth 1791, mother possibly Martha WHITTA b 1798? Rachel Lewis marriage is proving a problem as Neath say they have only one for Lewis MORGANS and Rachel LEWIS in 1867 this ties up with the bdm but the ages are 10 years out and not much seems right! Any suggestions please?First child recorded was Mary Eliza in 1873. my grand mother which is correct. Rachel gives her age in 1881 as 43 so born 1837/8 If any one can help would be really pleased. Best wishes Sue in LLantrisant**************************

Hi Gerry, Not agreat deal else to tell really, thats the problem. Thomas MORRIS b 1815 married Mary Ann ALLEN b 1819 at St Mary Pembroke in 1839, his father is named as David MORRIS, Blacksmith, residence at time of marriage is Prendergast. David was married to Martha and Thomas was a joiner by trade. Not much I know and I do appreciate the difficulty that it may not be posible. Best wishes John

Hello Jonathan I've found James in 1851 - Do you want them in 1841 too? 1851 census: Llandissilio enum dist 9a Sched 38 Pencnwck James Morgans Head M 25 Farmer 27 acres Pem Maenclochog Elizabeth Morgans wife M 30 Pem Clarbeston William Morgans son 2 Pem Llandissilio John Morgans son 1 Pem Llandissilio Phebe Williams serv U 13 house serv Pem Llandycefn Lydia Thomas visitor U 27 house serv Pem Clarbeston Frances Thomas visitor 7 wk? Pem Llawhaden Plasymeibion is in Llangolman - John Morgan aged 28 is there as a general servant working for head of household William Gibby. I'll send you the full census tomorrow and look for William. By the way your George Morgan is not the right one for Lea - I eventually found him in Cilymaenllwyd. Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, Jonathan Pike <[email protected]> writes >Hi Pat > >The George Morgan who was of Crinow Glebe, Llandissilio in 1851 was one of >my relatives. I had recorded the name as Grinow Glebe, but Crinow Glebe >makes more sense as a place name. George was the son of David Morgan by his >wife Sarah, nee Beddoe of Llwyncelyn, Egremont. > >I have most of the family on most of the censuses but not 1851. Do you have >the rest of the 1851 census for Llandissilio. If so, would you mind checking >for George's other sons. The eldest John would be about 28 and probably at >Plasymeibion. the second, James would be about 26 and probably at Pencnwc >East with a wife and 2 children. George's youngest son, William, became a >merchant in Narberth and may well have been living there in 1851, perhaps as >an apprentice. > >Amongst George's descendants were Elsie Sinclair Morgan, wife of Thomas Rees >Francis, headmaster of Narberth School from 1924, and (William) Vincent >Morgan, a doctor in Narberth in the 1920s and Medical Officer to the >Narberth Union Workhouse. > >Cheers, Jonathan Pike > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pat Powell" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:14 AM >Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] names / places Lan Tymawr Crinw Benlan Penbont >Llancewn > > >> Hello - sorry you didn't give your name >> >> I think most of the "names" are giving the place or house where each >> person lived. >> >> e.g Jennie Tymawr >> Tymawr mean "big house" which is sometimes the actual name of the house >> and sometime a reference to a karge house in the area. >> >> Similarly Penbont (top of the bridge) is most likely to be the name of >> the house or farm. >> >> I would guess Crinw is Crinow a place in Pembrokeshire although in 1851 >> a family of Morgans were living in a household called "Crinow Glebe" in >> Llandissilio. >> >> This is the 1851 census entry - do they fit in with your family? >> >> If you send me all the details in the letter off-list I will try to >> identify as much as I can for you. >> >> 1851 Llandissilio enumdist 9c schedule 44 >> >> Crinow Glebe >> >> George Morgan Head M 55 Farmer 19 acres born Cmn Kilymaenllwyd >> Elizabeth Morgan wife M 55 PEM New Moat >> George Morgan son U 16 carpenter Cmn Laugharne >> >> >> Look forward to hearing from you >> >> Cheers >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> In message <[email protected]>, >> [email protected] writes >> >Hi! Mentioned in a letter dated 1866 of my >great-great-great...grandfather, >> >George Morgan, were a list of pall bearers for my >> >great-great-great...grandmother's funeral. Unfortunately, when my >great-great >> >grandfather came from Wales to the U.S., he didn't pass on the language. >I >> >can't tell what the names mean but assume that they are place names. If >so, I'd >> >like to know where they are and if there is any other info. as to who >they are. >> > For instance Ben Benlan. Does Lan mean something? Is Benlan a place? >A >> >surname? Etc. >> > >> >The names are as follows: >> > >> >Maly Crinw >> >Nely'r Lan >> >Jennie Tymawr >> >Davis Login (read service and prayed/preached at the end) >> >Morris (Maurice) >> >Ben Benlan (Benjamin?) >> >Morris Penbont >> >Benin >> >Twm (Tom) Llancewn >> >William - son of Harriett >> > >> >Any help in understanding would be appreciated. Thanks! >> > >> >______________________________ >> >> -- >> Pat Powell >> >> >> ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== >> South/West Wales Lookup Exchange >http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html >> >> -- Pat Powell

on 14/2/04 12:52 am, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote: > What I am about to ask may not be possible, but if it is then can I ask for a > look up for the 1851 or any census before 1881 for the following, > Morris, Prendergast, Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire. Occupation Blacksmith or > Joiner. > Names include David and Thomas. > Thank you > John Hello John Not enough information to be able to use the 1841 and 1851 indexes. Can you tell the list what other information you have about the family. That might help us to help you. Gerry Lewis

Hi Pat The George Morgan who was of Crinow Glebe, Llandissilio in 1851 was one of my relatives. I had recorded the name as Grinow Glebe, but Crinow Glebe makes more sense as a place name. George was the son of David Morgan by his wife Sarah, nee Beddoe of Llwyncelyn, Egremont. I have most of the family on most of the censuses but not 1851. Do you have the rest of the 1851 census for Llandissilio. If so, would you mind checking for George's other sons. The eldest John would be about 28 and probably at Plasymeibion. the second, James would be about 26 and probably at Pencnwc East with a wife and 2 children. George's youngest son, William, became a merchant in Narberth and may well have been living there in 1851, perhaps as an apprentice. Amongst George's descendants were Elsie Sinclair Morgan, wife of Thomas Rees Francis, headmaster of Narberth School from 1924, and (William) Vincent Morgan, a doctor in Narberth in the 1920s and Medical Officer to the Narberth Union Workhouse. Cheers, Jonathan Pike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Powell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] names / places Lan Tymawr Crinw Benlan Penbont Llancewn > Hello - sorry you didn't give your name > > I think most of the "names" are giving the place or house where each > person lived. > > e.g Jennie Tymawr > Tymawr mean "big house" which is sometimes the actual name of the house > and sometime a reference to a karge house in the area. > > Similarly Penbont (top of the bridge) is most likely to be the name of > the house or farm. > > I would guess Crinw is Crinow a place in Pembrokeshire although in 1851 > a family of Morgans were living in a household called "Crinow Glebe" in > Llandissilio. > > This is the 1851 census entry - do they fit in with your family? > > If you send me all the details in the letter off-list I will try to > identify as much as I can for you. > > 1851 Llandissilio enumdist 9c schedule 44 > > Crinow Glebe > > George Morgan Head M 55 Farmer 19 acres born Cmn Kilymaenllwyd > Elizabeth Morgan wife M 55 PEM New Moat > George Morgan son U 16 carpenter Cmn Laugharne > > > Look forward to hearing from you > > Cheers > > Pat > > > > > In message <[email protected]>, > [email protected] writes > >Hi! Mentioned in a letter dated 1866 of my great-great-great...grandfather, > >George Morgan, were a list of pall bearers for my > >great-great-great...grandmother's funeral. Unfortunately, when my great-great > >grandfather came from Wales to the U.S., he didn't pass on the language. I > >can't tell what the names mean but assume that they are place names. If so, I'd > >like to know where they are and if there is any other info. as to who they are. > > For instance Ben Benlan. Does Lan mean something? Is Benlan a place? A > >surname? Etc. > > > >The names are as follows: > > > >Maly Crinw > >Nely'r Lan > >Jennie Tymawr > >Davis Login (read service and prayed/preached at the end) > >Morris (Maurice) > >Ben Benlan (Benjamin?) > >Morris Penbont > >Benin > >Twm (Tom) Llancewn > >William - son of Harriett > > > >Any help in understanding would be appreciated. Thanks! > > > >______________________________ > > -- > Pat Powell > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > >

Dear Christine, In the Pemb. marriage index your John Edwards is said to be of Marloes, but married in Ambleston which may have been the bride's parish. The 1786 Land Tax for Marloes (unfortunately, the only one I have) does not show the name Edwards against any proprietors or tenants. A person only had to be resident in a parish for, I think, 15 days to have it shown against their name, but assuming that John Edwards came from... or around... Marloes (possibly Dale) here are some items in the records. A David Edwards married Esther Mathias at Marloes on 06/04/1833.......it is possible that John and David were brothers and copies of their marriage parish register entries might show them witnessing each other's marriage. As to earlier records....the pre-1813 marriage index shows no marriages for Edwards of Marloes, but quite coincidentally, a John Edwards married Martha Lewis at Dale in 1789..... and a William Edwards married Martha Hire at Dale in 1793. (Sandra Davies may be able to tell whether this Martha Hire has any connection to her Hires or my Elizabeth (Hire) Devonald.) Of course, Edwards is another of the common Pemb. names (and I have not looked at the alternate spellings) but: 15/04/1824 Thomas Edwards of Dale m. Phillis Collins at Marloes 05/04/1827 William Edwards married Ann Thomas at Marloes 10/07/1827 John Edwards m. Mary Wilcox at Marloes The name of Edwards, of course, does appear in the Ambleston records. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] (no subject) looking for birth and death of John Edwards married at parish of Ambleston in Pembroke Wales 8th November 1836 to a Martha Lewis. On the 1841 census for Marloes Pembroke Wales place...8 Touch & Go John Edwards...age..35....labourer.......born wales. Martha Edwards .age 25...................born wales William Edwards age 2....son.............born wales James Edwards age 1....son.............born wales On census for 1851 same address Martha has remarried a John Evans and had a child to him called Matilda Evans I have found her marriage to John Evans on 30th October 1849 and it states she ’s a widow. any help would be great.......Christine Edwards ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== Genuki PEM http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/

I'm hoping someone can give me some advice. It was suggested that I use freebmd to find information and I notice that people have access to a 1951 uk census and an earlier one, but I can't seem to figure out how to gain that access. Are there places available that have more or different information than Ancestry.com? This WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-L is fantastic by the way. I can't thank you all enough for your info. and for your patience. I feel like a deer just learning to walk. Lea

Hello, I wonder if anyone has this book or access to this book. I am looking for information about Owen Roblin who I find in the Pennsylvania Welsh Tract in 1722. The 16 original baptist members who came over to start the community came in 1701 but Owen was not one of these. We believe Owen came from the Pembrokeshire area. Perhaps this book would have a record of him. * "Records of the Welsh Tract Baptist Meeting, Pencader Hundred, New Castle County, Delaware, 1701-1828." The following quote is an example of the value of this chapel register: "In the year 1710 were added to us by letters from the following churches in Wales, as follows: From Rydwilim - 1710 (John Jenkins, pastor) Lewis Philip, Rees David (Deacon), Thomas Evan, Thomas Edmond, Arthur Edward, Eleanor Philip, Susanna David, Mary Wallis [pg 14]. Any help would be very much appreciated. Regards, Linda Herman Maryland

Hi Gerry Yes this Morris was married before to a Margaret. In 1851 he was living in Llanfallteg in Penybont Mill- and was the miller. That would make him the "Morris Penbont" of Lea's e-mail. I have been tracing her Morgan family through the differnt census etc , as I have an interest in the area - but apart from my first reply via the list - I have been sending to her off-list as there is quite a lot of information to pass on. If anyone else thinks they have an interest in this family feel free to e-mail me too to check any links. And to Lea - I haven't got around to giving you info on this Morris yet!!! Cheers Pat In message <BC5418DF.8B2E%[email protected]>, Gerry <[email protected]> writes >on 13/2/04 6:05 am, [email protected] at [email protected] >wrote: > >> Hi! I have some letters in my posession that talk of a "Aunt Mary of Crinow" >> or >> in other places, Mary Crinw. Does anyone know where that is? One of the >> letters reads as follows: "Aunt of Crinow has made a sale there last Monday >> week and has gone to live in her new Villa fronting Sheky(?) Howell's >Turnpike >> gate Narberth, (near Greenway Vack Railway Station - which has been opened >> abt. >> 3 months since from Whitland to Greenway Vach. Templetown Tenby and Penbroke >> Dock... Harriet...Uncle of Penbroke Dock...Ben and his family...Aunt Phebe >> Theravon (Aheravon?) paralized 12 months...." >> >> Can anyone shed light on any of this for me? Are these places anywhere near >> Login Wales? Kilymaenyllwyd? Merthyr-Tidfyl? >> >> Also, is Warriet a common name or nic-name? >> >> The letters were written in the mid-late 1800s. >> >> Thank you! LeaMarie > >Hello LeaMarie > >I have found just one example of a Christian name like Warriett and that is >in the 1891 census - 11 year old Wariotte G. Morgans living at Rhos, >Llandewi Velfrey, just to the east of Narberth. His father Morris Morgans >(76 years old) was born in Cilymaenllwyd. His wife Mary aged 40 is >presumably his second wife. > >In 1891 there was a Greenway Farm and a Greenway House in Narberth. Greenway >Farm is still in existence - in Station Road, Narberth - less than 400 yards >from Narberth Railway Station. > >Login is a village in the parish of Cilymaenllwyd (Carmarthenshire) which is >about 5-7 miles north east of Narberth (Pembrokeshire). > >Merthyr Tydfil is in the county of Glamorgan about 50 miles to the east. > >Gerry Lewis > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

Hello Bettye, Thank you for your quick reply and informative letter. I will keep on searching and with the luck of the Irish something should turn up. Good luck in your research. Joan. >From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <[email protected]> >To: "j.e. higginson" ><[email protected]>,<[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Bettye, here is a HEYWOOD query for you. >Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:12:53 +1100 > >Dear Joan, > >The Haywards in Pembrokeshire were settled around the Rudbaxton area for >quite a few generations. > >The very early Welsh were involved with Irish subjugation....Sir John Wogan >of Pembrokeshire was Justiciar in Ireland from 1295 and there was plenty of >to-ing and fro-ing for wars and such, so it is quite possible that a later >Hayward or two wandered across the sea to Ireland. > >However, before I started on my lines of Welsh research I investigated my >Devon ancestors and quite a few of them bore the name of Heywood/Haywood >and >were even shown in the census records as Howard. I don't think there is >any >connection whatsoever between these two different branches....they were >high >steppers in Pembrokeshire and well down the social ladder in Devon. > >I think you may find that the Heyward/wood/Howard name >evolved and all varieties can be found scattered through the various >English >counties for generations. > >Sorry, I can't help. but good luck with your search. >Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca

Hi Linda Might be worth having a look at the Emigration section of my Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPageemigration.html Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Herman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 5:18 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] MILFORD-HAVEN PASSENGER LISTS - 1700'S and any other passenger ports near Pembrokeshire > Hello, > > I wonder if someone can help. I would like to know where someone might > leave Pembrokeshire from if they were going to America in the early 1700's. > I had thought they would go from Liverpool but reading an article on the 16 > baptists who left Pembrokeshire in 1701 left from Milford-haven. I wonder > if there were other ports as well where individuals might have left from? > > "In the Month of June, 1701, this body of believers in our Lord Jesus > Christ, later to be called The Welsh Tract Church, sailed from > Milford-haven, South Wales" > > I also wonder if anyone has passenger lists for Milford-haven or knows > where I could access these lists. > > I am looking for an Owen Roblin (also seen as Roblyn, Robling, Roblin) and > a Lewis Robling (also seen as Roblin, Roblyn). I am guessing they left > Pembrokeshire in the early 1700's though they were not among the original > 16 who went to Pennsylvania. Both Owen and Lewis were in PA. I find Owen > there in 1722. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Regards, > Linda Herman > Maryland > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > National Library of Wales > http://www.llgc.org.uk/ > >

I have checked the Land Tax Returns for 1786 for Talbenny, Dale and St. Brides and can confirm no Edwards is listed. Rose

Hullo Ann , Many thanks for looking. Clearly they do not want to be found yet. Best wishes , Sue in LLantrisant**************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "JANETANN DAVIES" <[email protected]> To: "Susan Harvey" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > Hello again Su > I did search 1871 census just in case but no luck.Not unexpected since > Glamorgan 1871 is not yet included in the data base and from what you say > they would seem to have been in Glam by then > Best wishes Ann D > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Harvey" <[email protected]> > To: "JANETANN DAVIES" <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 12:36 AM > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > > > > AnnHi., > > Still can't find Rachel b1838 Laugharne and Lewis Morgan(s)born 1834 > > Redberth . > > > > They were married in Neath district possibly, LLantwit in1867 no children > > until 1873 when they are in Hafod Porth .Could you try any place that > might > > relate to Neath LLantwit ,or Hafod Rhondda.Sorry its vague ,say if too > time > > consumming. > > Any help appreciated, > > Cheers > > Sue in LLantrisant.********************** > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JANETANN DAVIES" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > > > > > > > > > > like Alwyn I am more than willing to do look ups in 1871 on line > > > Ann D in Aber > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > Genuki PEM > > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ > > > >

Hi everyone, Several years ago someone sent me a partial transcription of the 1851 census for my Woodcock/Woolcock family. I am very interested in the information that was left out as well as the film and page number for where they can be found (in case I ever get to view and copy the microfilm). Here is what I have: 1851 Census Steynton William Woolcock 50 b. Rudbaxton Lettice 54 b. Moat Sarah 25 b. Steynton Thomas Woolcock 17 b. Haverfordwest St. Thomas Lettice 14 b. Steynton William 3 b. Steynton grandson Something was written, about Thomas or one of the children being a sister's child. Would like to know for sure if it is Thomas and what it says. Also any occupations and whether they were still at DreenHill in Steynton. I sure would appreciate if someone can fill in the bit that is missing. Thanks so much. Debbie --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online

Hello again Su I did search 1871 census just in case but no luck.Not unexpected since Glamorgan 1871 is not yet included in the data base and from what you say they would seem to have been in Glam by then Best wishes Ann D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Harvey" <[email protected]> To: "JANETANN DAVIES" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > AnnHi., > Still can't find Rachel b1838 Laugharne and Lewis Morgan(s)born 1834 > Redberth . > > They were married in Neath district possibly, LLantwit in1867 no children > until 1873 when they are in Hafod Porth .Could you try any place that might > relate to Neath LLantwit ,or Hafod Rhondda.Sorry its vague ,say if too time > consumming. > Any help appreciated, > Cheers > Sue in LLantrisant.********************** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JANETANN DAVIES" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 > > > > > > like Alwyn I am more than willing to do look ups in 1871 on line > > Ann D in Aber > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Genuki PEM > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ > >

Hi, My John Williams was Born Jan. 29, 1679 in Wales. His Wife "Mary M:astin/Masten/Maston/Massyn was Born Sept 26, 1684 John was Born in Wales. Whatt I need to know is Who is His Parents? Any Information will be Greatly Apprecuated. Barbara Dalton [email protected]

Hello, I wonder if someone can help. I would like to know where someone might leave Pembrokeshire from if they were going to America in the early 1700's. I had thought they would go from Liverpool but reading an article on the 16 baptists who left Pembrokeshire in 1701 left from Milford-haven. I wonder if there were other ports as well where individuals might have left from? "In the Month of June, 1701, this body of believers in our Lord Jesus Christ, later to be called The Welsh Tract Church, sailed from Milford-haven, South Wales" I also wonder if anyone has passenger lists for Milford-haven or knows where I could access these lists. I am looking for an Owen Roblin (also seen as Roblyn, Robling, Roblin) and a Lewis Robling (also seen as Roblin, Roblyn). I am guessing they left Pembrokeshire in the early 1700's though they were not among the original 16 who went to Pennsylvania. Both Owen and Lewis were in PA. I find Owen there in 1722. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards, Linda Herman Maryland

Dear Joan, The Haywards in Pembrokeshire were settled around the Rudbaxton area for quite a few generations. The very early Welsh were involved with Irish subjugation....Sir John Wogan of Pembrokeshire was Justiciar in Ireland from 1295 and there was plenty of to-ing and fro-ing for wars and such, so it is quite possible that a later Hayward or two wandered across the sea to Ireland. However, before I started on my lines of Welsh research I investigated my Devon ancestors and quite a few of them bore the name of Heywood/Haywood and were even shown in the census records as Howard. I don't think there is any connection whatsoever between these two different branches....they were high steppers in Pembrokeshire and well down the social ladder in Devon. I think you may find that the Heyward/wood/Howard name evolved and all varieties can be found scattered through the various English counties for generations. Sorry, I can't help. but good luck with your search. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "j.e. higginson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:01 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Bettye, here is a HEYWOOD query for you. > February 14, 2004, > > Hello Bettye, > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, you wrote: but there is always my drop of > Hayward/Heywood/Haward/Howard blood... > > Bettye, your Heywood name is of interest to me and I thought that I would > send you my little selection. > > Here is what I have so far: > The following was taken from the Channel Islands 1851 census index: > Ann HAYWOOD, age 62, b. USA, daughter Sarah, age 24, b. Ireland, son Thomas, > age 22, b. England. > > On the 1851 Channel Islands census index, Ann had an older daughter named > Hailey/Alice/Aley (married name Buttery), age 27, b. Ireland. > > There was no husband listed for Ann on the 1851 Channel Islands census index > but on the 1861 Channel Islands census index she was listed as a widow. > > The maiden surname spelling for Hailey/Alice/Aley on one of her children's > birth certificates was HEYWOOD. > > My wish is to find where Ann was born in U.S.A. and what her husband's name > was. And also where her children were born in Ireland and England. > > Could it be that some of this is related to your line? > > Sincerely. > > Joan. > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn .com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki PEM > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ >

Dear Leamarie, If your great-great grandmother died in 1865 or 6, and you don't already have it, purchasing her death certificate might be of great help. You'd learn how old she was, therefore could work out her birthdate, perhaps then find her marriage certificate and her prior name. Some of the pallbearers may have been her brothers or nephews and carry her family name. They may have been her grandsons or granddaughter's husbands. Gerry has indicated possible place connections to the Cilymaenllwyd area in Carmarthenshire. This made me prick up my ears, as an Enoch Morgan Devonald was married there in 1836. Enoch was the son of Isaiah Devonald (one of my brick walls) and Rachel Morgan who was born at Grondre, Near Narberth. Rachel's father was a Daniel Morgan, presumably born in the 1750/60's. Cilymaenllwyd is next to Llandissilio and Egremont is not far away.....and whilst I have not been able to get any corresponding records for Egremont, marriage indices I do have include many Morgan/Morgans marriages for the Llandissilio area. As Enoch's children all seem to have married at Llandissilio and his siblings and their wives were from all around the same general areas, there might just be a vague connection. Some of the later Devonalds from this line are known to have emigrated to the USA. With a Rachel, an Isaiah and a Daniel...all religious names....the records I seek might be nonconformist....and, of course, there could be many different Morgan families in the area and no connection between yours and mine. You could perhaps look at the places (identified by Gerry) on the 1881 census Mormon CD if you have access to it, and then work backwards with previous censuses to see if the same family names were still there. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] names / places Lan Tymawr Crinw Benlan Penbont Llancewn > on 13/2/04 6:13 am, [email protected] at [email protected] > wrote: > > > Hi! Mentioned in a letter dated 1866 of my great-great-great...grandfather, > > George Morgan, were a list of pall bearers for my > > great-great-great...grandmother's funeral. Unfortunately, when my great-great > > grandfather came from Wales to the U.S., he didn't pass on the language. I > > can't tell what the names mean but assume that they are place names. If so, > > I'd > > like to know where they are and if there is any other info. as to who they > > are. > > For instance Ben Benlan. Does Lan mean something? Is Benlan a place? A > > surname? Etc. > > > > The names are as follows: > > > > Maly Crinw > > Nely'r Lan > > Jennie Tymawr > > Davis Login (read service and prayed/preached at the end) > > Morris (Maurice) > > Ben Benlan (Benjamin?) > > Morris Penbont > > Benin > > Twm (Tom) Llancewn > > William - son of Harriett > > > > Any help in understanding would be appreciated. Thanks! > > > > Hello Leamarie > > There is a farm/house called Lan in Cilymaenllwyd and a place called > Pen-y-bont newydd near Login. And another place called Penbontbren near > Cwm-miles (see my other replies). > > Gerry Lewis > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gareth's Help Page > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >

looking for birth and death of John Edwards married at parish of Ambleston in Pembroke Wales 8th November 1836 to a Martha Lewis. On the 1841 census for Marloes Pembroke Wales place...8 Touch & Go John Edwards...age..35....labourer.......born wales. Martha Edwards .age 25...................born wales William Edwards age 2....son.............born wales James Edwards age 1....son.............born wales On census for 1851 same address Martha has remarried a John Evans and had a child to him called Matilda Evans I have found her marriage to John Evans on 30th October 1849 and it states she ’s a widow. any help would be great.......Christine Edwards