Dear Brian, Following on Ann's reply, the Gentle surname does not appear in the 1813-37 Pembrokeshire marriages, or in the pre-1813 index for Amroth. It looks as if James Gentle's father might have been from outside the county. Perhaps you might find the name in nearby Carmarthenshire. Checking all the Gentle entries on the 1881 census CD would indicate where the name was most prominent. I don't have birth information, unfortunately, and if the Listers can't help you, perhaps you'd consider asking Pembrokeshire Records Office at Haverfordwest to check the Amroth parish register for a baptism. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Hancock" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Researching GENTLE > I am researching the Surname GENTLE only from the IGI and 1881 C have I been able to find any info. James GENTLE was born c1823 in Amroth but who his parents were and where they came from I would like to find out. Can any one help me please ? Brian Hancock > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm > >

Would these be them in 1871? Amroth Cambrian James Gentle head 48 coalminer b Amroth Anne do wife 44 " George do son 19 " " Thomas do " 16 " " Martha do dau 11 scholar " Ann do " 6 " " Joseph Roberts boarder 10 " St.Issels These were to only Gentles to pop up in Pembs in 1871 Best wishes Ann D in Aber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Hancock" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Researching GENTLE > I am researching the Surname GENTLE only from the IGI and 1881 C have I been able to find any info. James GENTLE was born c1823 in Amroth but who his parents were and where they came from I would like to find out. Can any one help me please ? Brian Hancock > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm

If you have been following my trail of Wills to a brick wall, here is where I have hit - THOMAS HAVARD merchant of St Mary Haverfordwest who married DOROTHY ANDREW in Steynton on 3rd June 1762. Their son, also Thomas, was a soldier of Haverfordwest who died there in 1817. As Havard is not a particularly common name I am assuming that any Havards from Haverfordwest are probably mine! Bettye kindly gave me some details of Havard marriages from Haverfordwest and this is what I have found :- DAVID HAVARD of the parish of St Martin Haverfordwest, a Private man in the Carmarthenshire Militia, Taylor and MARY JONES of the same parish, spinster were married in the parish church on 12th January 1779 (by licence); DAVID HAVARD of the parish of St Martin Haverfordwest a Private Soldier in the Cardiganshire Militia and SARAH EVANS (?) of this parish, spinster were married in this church by Banns on 9th July 1798; HENRY HAVARD of the parish of St Thomas, Haverfordwest, Bachelor, a Private Soldier in the Carmarthenshire Militia and ESTHER EVANS of this parish, spinster were married in this church by Banns on 13th April 1801 As far as I know they are not siblings of my Thomas - I don't yet know who they are. Dare I assume (again) that my Havards are from another county? Could my Thomas jnr have also been in the Carmarthenshire/Cardiganshire Militia as I haven't been able to trace his regiment? All thoughts/advice gratefully received! Pat Dougan Belfast

Hi, can someone please tell me how far it is from Verwick to St.Dogmaels? I have an ancestor who says he was born in Verwick on one census and St.Dogmaels on another. Also, as this birth was about 1806/7, is there anyone who has access to the B/T's for either area for that time? The birth/baptism I am looking for is Josiah WILLIAMS, married in St.Mary's, Pembroke to Hannah Davies in 1831, age given on the 1841 census was 35. Any help will be much appreciated #thanks Ann

Hi Mike As promised I searched the PRs for both St Michaels and St Mary's -just in case.Since you had all the wonderful info from other people on the list I concentrated on finding the 2 marriages that you asked for.Sadly found nothing--even though I did a 5 years either side search for each Did however find this Marriage St Mary's Church Pembroke 1848 Edward Narberth joiner Eastend to Letitia Spriggs Pembroke Dock-- his father John Narberth Joiner,her father William Spriggs also a joiner.Witnesses John Harper Narberth junior and William Gregory Spriggs Sorry couldn't be of more help Ann D in Aber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Thorogood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:34 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] St Michaels Church Pembroke NARBETH > Hi all, > > I am researching the CURTIS family > I have come across two females with the surname NARBETH who are both wives of John Plumer CURTIS. > > Caroline NARBETH born 1842 Pembroke Wales, > baptised at St Michael's Pembroke Wales, > married to John Plumer CURTIS. > Caroline's father was John Harber NARBETH. > > I also have a > Sarah NARBETH > baptised St Michael's Pembroke Wales 1827. > It is stated on Sarah's death certificate that she was the wife of John Plumer CURTIS, she was also deaf. > > My Great Grandfather was baptised John Narbeth CURTIS IN 1883. > > I am hoping some kind soul will look up Parish Records to find some more information on the NARBETH family and/or find a marriage to John Plumer CURTIS about the time frame of 1860 for Caroline NARBETH and 1848 for Sarah. > > Any information would be gratefully appreciated. > > Suzanne > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm

I am researching the Surname GENTLE only from the IGI and 1881 C have I been able to find any info. James GENTLE was born c1823 in Amroth but who his parents were and where they came from I would like to find out. Can any one help me please ? Brian Hancock

Hello Suzanne Don't know if this will help:- 1841 census: Pembroke St mary enum dist 19 folio 55 page 24 Brewery Road James Samuel Courtis 35 Excise No Elizabeth Ann " 35 No John Plumer " 15 Tailor I Elizabeth Ann " 13 I Sarah 10 I Charlotte " 8 I James William " 6 I George Thomas 3 Yes Robert Charles " 1 Yes 1841 census Pembroke St Michael enum dist 2 Folio 26 page 7 Middle Road John Narberth 45 Joiner Y Margaret " 40 Straw Hat maker Y Mary " 15 Bonnet maker Y Edward " 15 Cabinetmaker app Y Sarah " 10 Y John " 10 Y Jane " 5 Y In 1851 Pembroke St Mary Folio 328 page 34 schedule 121 John Narberth 57 Pem St Mary's Margaret Narberth 49 Pem St Thomas Sarah Curtis 23 Pem St Michael's John Narberth Curtis 1 Bishops Gate London Note: This couls be a good clue to the time and place of the marriage - if not in Pembroke then possibly in London??? A few more snippets:- Margaret Narberth is in Pembroke Pigots 1830 & 1835 & 1844 as a Straw Milliner. From " Pembroke People" by Richard Rose John Harper Narberth married Margaret John at Pembroke St Marys June 17 1821 Witness: Mary Narberth , Benjamin John Children: Mary bap st Mary's March 17 1822 Edward bap St Michaels Feb 15 1824 (marr Lettice Spriggs, dau of William Gregory Spriggs) Benjamin bap Dec 18 1825 Buried June 11 1826 aged 6 mths Sarah bap St Michaels May 20 1827 John Harper Dec 1 1830 Jane May 27 1832 A Rachel Narberth was buried at St Michael's on Mar 28 1835 aged 3 weeks. John Harper Narberth junior became a distinguished Weslayan preacher and accountant in the Dockyard. He was the father of John Harper Narbeth (1863-1944) Cb,CBE,MVO,RCNC the naval architect who worked on the Dreadnought and on the first aircraft carriers. There are some more bits if you would like them. Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, Mike Thorogood <[email protected]> writes >Hi all, > >I am researching the CURTIS family >I have come across two females with the surname NARBETH who are both wives of >John Plumer CURTIS. > >Caroline NARBETH born 1842 Pembroke Wales, >baptised at St Michael's Pembroke Wales, >married to John Plumer CURTIS. >Caroline's father was John Harber NARBETH. > >I also have a >Sarah NARBETH >baptised St Michael's Pembroke Wales 1827. >It is stated on Sarah's death certificate that she was the wife of John Plumer >CURTIS, she was also deaf. > >My Great Grandfather was baptised John Narbeth CURTIS IN 1883. > >I am hoping some kind soul will look up Parish Records to find some more >information on the NARBETH family and/or find a marriage to John Plumer CURTIS >about the time frame of 1860 for Caroline NARBETH and 1848 for Sarah. > >Any information would be gratefully appreciated. > >Suzanne > >______________________________ -- Pat Powell

From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:08 PM Subject: (no subject) > HI > Does anyone have any info. on a place in Wales called Edwards Hall > > I have a Richard Lloyd born 1800 Pembroke Wales....dont have death date > ....married 20 th March....Dale..Pembroke...Wales...to Elizabeth Hall....born 1806 > Pembroke Wales...dont have death date.... > > Richard Lloyd was a lighthouse keeper.. > > Any info much appreciated.........Christine Edwards > >

on 17/2/04 12:34 am, Mike Thorogood at [email protected] wrote: > Hi all, > > I am researching the CURTIS family > I have come across two females with the surname NARBETH who are both wives of > John Plumer CURTIS. > > Caroline NARBETH born 1842 Pembroke Wales, > baptised at St Michael's Pembroke Wales, > married to John Plumer CURTIS. > Caroline's father was John Harber NARBETH. > > I also have a > Sarah NARBETH > baptised St Michael's Pembroke Wales 1827. > It is stated on Sarah's death certificate that she was the wife of John Plumer > CURTIS, she was also deaf. > > My Great Grandfather was baptised John Narbeth CURTIS IN 1883. > > I am hoping some kind soul will look up Parish Records to find some more > information on the NARBETH family and/or find a marriage to John Plumer CURTIS > about the time frame of 1860 for Caroline NARBETH and 1848 for Sarah. > > Any information would be gratefully appreciated. > > Suzanne Hello Suzanne John NARBETH (57) born Pembroke St Mary and Margaret NARBERTH (49) born "St Thomas" [Haverfordwest?] have the same reference in the 1851 census index for the Pembroke District. Also with the same reference (HO107/2476, Pembroke St Michael, folio 328, page 34, schedule 121) are: Sarah CURTIS (23) born Pembroke St Michael and John Narberth CURTIS (1) born Bishops Gate, London. A John Narbeth of Pembroke St Michael married a Margaret John in Pembroke St Mary on June 17 1821. Both signed the register. This is the family from the 1841 census index: HO107/1451/4, Pembroke St Michael, folio 26, page 7 Edward Narbeth, 15 [to 19], Cabinet Maker Ap. Jane Narbeth, 5 John Narbeth, 10 John Narbeth, 45 [to 49], Joiner Margaret Narbeth, 40 [to 44], Straw Hat Maker Mary Narbeth, 15 [to 19], Bonnet Maker Sarah Narbeth, 10 I have not found Edward, Jane, John junior or Mary in the 1851 indexes for Pembrokeshire. Possible relevant Narbeth baptisms: Benjamin 1825 Pembroke St Michael Edward 1824 Pembroke St Michael Jane 1832 Pembroke St Michael John Harper 1830 Pembroke St Michael Mary 1822 Pembroke St Mary Sarah 1827 Pembroke St Michael Burials: Benjamin 1826 Pembroke St Michael Sarah NARBERTH 1833 Pembroke St Mary Rachel NARBERTH 1835 Pembroke St Mary Gerry Lewis

Hello Christine, The only place I can think of would be the Edward's mansion which was called "Hill". This is in St. Brides - very close to the Dale area. Rose

Dear Sandra, I did not realise that transcribers from wills to abstracts were sometimes creative and added information not shown on the actual will...something of which to be wary. The Journal article states "The third son Allen inherited the family farming business and the lease of Llandigwynnet, but he and his wife, Hannah Davies of Dairy Hayes, Carew, remained childless." When I look at the time frames, this seems to be a later Allen Palmer. Apologies! I can't find a record of their marriage. Elizabeth "Parcel" appears to have married Robert Davies at Carew in 1748 and the records also show that Hannah Parcell in 1767 married Allen Palmer at Carew whilst Susannah Parcell also married William Harts at Carew in 1767....so it does seem quite possible that the "granddaughter" as shown on the abstract may be wrong. Sanda, you seem to have the family well in hand....Hannah certainly has led you down some intriguing paths. Regards. Bettye K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 1:18 AM Subject: RE: [WLS-PEM] Palmer > Dear Bettye and others > > I have the full will of William Palmer, Malster of > Carew who died in 1780. Although the abstract lists > Hannah Palmer as granddaughter it does not say this > anywhere in the will - this has been presumed by > whoever did the abstract. I have had it transcribed, > if anyone would like this, let me know. I haven't > seen the article you mention, but have worked back to > this family through my Hier/Reed line. Susannah Harts, > daughter of William Parcell was executrix and after > her day his personal effects were to go to Hannah > Palmer. Hannah claimed these in 1794 (NLW Ref: > SD/1794/25) after Susannah's death as Hannah Hodge. > > From the Carew parish registers (originals at > Haverfordwest RO) I have found the following - Allen > Palmer of the parish of Carew, farmer married Hannah > Parcell, spinster, by licence 21st April 1767, both > signed, in the presence of Francis Palmer and John > Eynon. Baptisms to Allen and Hannah Palmer are as > follows - George baptised 22 Sep 1768, Mary baptised > 25 Nov 1770, William baptised 19 Jul 1772, Rees > baptised 30 May 1773, Patty baptised 1 Dec 1774, > Elizabeth baptised 3 Nov 1776, Francis baptised 1 Jan > 1779 and Susannah baptised 18 Nov 1779 all at Carew. > Allen Palmer was interred at Carew 19th September > 1779. He died inestate, but I have a copy of the > 'grant' (still not sure of terminology) to his widow > Hannah Palmer. The inventory of his goods names him > as Allen Palmer of Park in the parish of Carew. > Witnessed by John Skone and Wm Parcell. > > On 17 January 1781 Hannah Palmer, widow married Thomas > Reed, bachelor, by licence at Carew. Hannah Palmer > signed and a member of staff of the RO agreed that the > signature was the same as that of Hannah Parcell on > the first marriage. Their daughter Margaret Reed > baptised 11 Apr 1784 at Carew was my ancestor and the > wife of Allen Hier. > > Hannah Reed is listed on Land Tax records in both 1786 > and 1787 as the tenant of both Landigwynet and Park in > the parish of Carew. Hannah went on to marry a third > time to John Hodges at St Issells on 25 October 1789 > (witnesses George Palmer (her son?) and David Child) > and was buried at Carew on 19 March 1821 aged 75. > > I still haven't figured out whether Hannah is a > granddaughter or daughter of William Parcell the > maltster, but have had a lot of fun and learnt so much > trying to find out. She has been my most interesting > ancestor to date! > > Best wishes > Sandra > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BJ & LC Kirkwood > [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 16 February 2004 11:21 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [WLS-PEM] Palmer > > > > > > Dear Megan, Joy, Sandra and others, > > > > Was doing some sorting tonight and came across the > will abstract > > for William Parcell of Carew who died in 1780. > > He was a Maltster. > > > > Hannah Palmer, wife of Allen Palmer, is mentioned as > his > > granddaughter.....and from the Dyfed FH Journal > Vol.2 article it > > seems she was Hannah Davies prior to marriage, and > as William > > Parcell's mentions Elizabeth who was married to > Robert Davies, > > St. Mary's Pembroke, that looks like the connection, > although > > Elizabeth is not stipulated specifically as William > Parcell's daughter. > > > > The article says Allen Palmer and his wife remained > > childless...whereas the will abstract mentions the > children of > > Hannah Palmer...but no names given. > > > > Sanda has already told us that Allen Palmer died and > Hannah (her > > ancestress) remarried in 1806 at Carew to Allen > Hier. Perhaps > > she knows if there were Palmer children. > > > > As so many are interested in this Palmer > family....here are the > > people mentioned in William Parcell's will...who > would possibly > > be Hannah Palmer's aunts and other relatives. > > > > Arabella Marks wife of Benjamin Marks, Kidwelly, > Carms. > > Mary Rowe wife of Richard Rowe, Llanfihangel Pembs. > > Susannah Harts....who was named as daughter and > executrix. > > > > William Parcell also named his son Titus, and his > grandson > > William, also David Parcell and his two children > Margaret and > > Susannah, but he did not stipulate the relationship. > > > > Of course, this is only an abstract...the full will > would clarify > > matters perhaps. > > > > Bettye Kirkwood > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk >

Hi Mike Am going to the N.L.W tomorrow or the day after and will look in the Narberth PRs for your "lot" while I am there--unless some one will have looked them up before then Best wishes Ann D in Aberystwyth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Thorogood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:34 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] St Michaels Church Pembroke NARBETH > Hi all, > > I am researching the CURTIS family > I have come across two females with the surname NARBETH who are both wives of John Plumer CURTIS. > > Caroline NARBETH born 1842 Pembroke Wales, > baptised at St Michael's Pembroke Wales, > married to John Plumer CURTIS. > Caroline's father was John Harber NARBETH. > > I also have a > Sarah NARBETH > baptised St Michael's Pembroke Wales 1827. > It is stated on Sarah's death certificate that she was the wife of John Plumer CURTIS, she was also deaf. > > My Great Grandfather was baptised John Narbeth CURTIS IN 1883. > > I am hoping some kind soul will look up Parish Records to find some more information on the NARBETH family and/or find a marriage to John Plumer CURTIS about the time frame of 1860 for Caroline NARBETH and 1848 for Sarah. > > Any information would be gratefully appreciated. > > Suzanne > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm

Hi all, I am researching the CURTIS family I have come across two females with the surname NARBETH who are both wives of John Plumer CURTIS. Caroline NARBETH born 1842 Pembroke Wales, baptised at St Michael's Pembroke Wales, married to John Plumer CURTIS. Caroline's father was John Harber NARBETH. I also have a Sarah NARBETH baptised St Michael's Pembroke Wales 1827. It is stated on Sarah's death certificate that she was the wife of John Plumer CURTIS, she was also deaf. My Great Grandfather was baptised John Narbeth CURTIS IN 1883. I am hoping some kind soul will look up Parish Records to find some more information on the NARBETH family and/or find a marriage to John Plumer CURTIS about the time frame of 1860 for Caroline NARBETH and 1848 for Sarah. Any information would be gratefully appreciated. Suzanne

Hi Bettye One thing which might be a little confusing is that there were 2 couples named Allen and Hannah Palmer. The first was Allen Palmer of Llandigwynnet, Carew (1727-1779). He was the son of Francis Palmer of Llandigwynnet, by his wife Mary Allen. He married Hannah Parcell, who I have listed as daughter of William Parcell of Coachland, Carew (though I would be quite happy to be corrected). They were the parents of a number of children. There eldest son, George Palmer succeeded to Llandigwynnet. By his first wife Charlotte Hooks, George had an only daughter Elizabeth. By his second wife Elizabeth Llewhellin, daughter of William Llewhellin of Carew Newton he had a further 11 children who amongst them leave many descendants. The eldest son was the second Allen Palmer of Llandigwynnet (1798-1855). Wife of the younger Allen Palmer was Hannah Davies (1817-1901), daughter of George Davies of Hays, Carew by his wife Mary Voyle. I have more on the Palmers of Carew, from the late Peter Dawkins Palmour, if anyone would like further info. Cheers, Jonathan Pike ----- Original Message ----- From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:21 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Palmer > Dear Megan, Joy, Sandra and others, > > Was doing some sorting tonight and came across the will abstract for William Parcell of Carew who died in 1780. > He was a Maltster. > > Hannah Palmer, wife of Allen Palmer, is mentioned as his granddaughter.....and from the Dyfed FH Journal Vol.2 article it seems she was Hannah Davies prior to marriage, and as William Parcell's mentions Elizabeth who was married to Robert Davies, St. Mary's Pembroke, that looks like the connection, although Elizabeth is not stipulated specifically as William Parcell's daughter. > > The article says Allen Palmer and his wife remained childless...whereas the will abstract mentions the children of Hannah Palmer...but no names given. > > Sanda has already told us that Allen Palmer died and Hannah (her ancestress) remarried in 1806 at Carew to Allen Hier. Perhaps she knows if there were Palmer children. > > As so many are interested in this Palmer family....here are the people mentioned in William Parcell's will...who would possibly be Hannah Palmer's aunts and other relatives. > > Arabella Marks wife of Benjamin Marks, Kidwelly, Carms. > Mary Rowe wife of Richard Rowe, Llanfihangel Pembs. > Susannah Harts....who was named as daughter and executrix. > > William Parcell also named his son Titus, and his grandson William, also David Parcell and his two children Margaret and Susannah, but he did not stipulate the relationship. > > Of course, this is only an abstract...the full will would clarify matters perhaps. > > Bettye Kirkwood > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb list archives[threaded] http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLSPembrokeshire-L/ > >

Hi Pat Thanks very much. Yes I would be interested in the 1841 census for the family. I imagine that George and Elizabeth were probably at Pwllyranian, Llandissilio, along with their 4 sons. I would also like the full household at Plasymeibion in 1851. Elizabeth, wife of George Morgan was a Gibby before marriage so their son John was probably with a relative at Plasymeibion in 1851. For those who may be interested, I will put details from memorial inscriptions at Llandissilio for family member below. My own connection is that George Morgan's sister Sarah Morgan married Griffith Evans of Bletherston. They were my 3 x great grand parents. Thanks, Jonathan Pike Sacred to the memory of James Morgan of Pencnwc second son of George and Elizabeth Morgan of Pwllybarian in this parish died August 1st 1859 aged 34 years, who left a widow and six children to lament his loss, therefore be ye also ready. Also Elizabeth Morgan wife of the above who died May 16th 1892 aged 72 years. In Memory of William the son of James and Elizabeth Morgan, Pencnwc who died Feb 22nd 1852 aged 5 years and 9 months. The following three are on three sides of a square memorial: In loving memory of James Morgan of 61 - 67 Rye Lane, Peckham, London, formerly of Pencnwc East in this Parish who died 21st April 1909 aged 50 years. In loving memory of John Morgan, Pencnwc East, Llandissilio Born Sept 14th 1849 Died May 4th 1912. Also Frances Morgan, Caerhaul, Llandissilio, Sister of the above born Nov 25th 1851, died June 8th 1927. In loving memory of George son of James and Elizabeth Morgan of Pencnwc East in this parish who died 3rd August 1880 Aged 26 years. Also Elizabeth Morgan, Caerhaul, Llandissilio, sister of the above. Born 22nd January 1857. Died 14th February 1932. In memory of John Morgan of Plasymeibion eldest son of George and Elizabeth Morgan of Pwllyranian in this parish who died January 16th 1857 aged 34 years. In memory of George Morgan of Grinowglebe in this parish who died August 9th 1863 aged 72 years. Also Elizabeth his wife who died May 12th 1880 aged 85 years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Powell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Morgan of Crinow Glebe, Llandissilio > Hello Jonathan > > > > I've found James in 1851 - > > Do you want them in 1841 too? > > 1851 census: > Llandissilio enum dist 9a > > Sched 38 Pencnwck > James Morgans Head M 25 Farmer 27 acres Pem Maenclochog > Elizabeth Morgans wife M 30 Pem Clarbeston > William Morgans son 2 Pem Llandissilio > John Morgans son 1 Pem Llandissilio > Phebe Williams serv U 13 house serv Pem Llandycefn > Lydia Thomas visitor U 27 house serv Pem Clarbeston > Frances Thomas visitor 7 wk? Pem Llawhaden > > Plasymeibion is in Llangolman - John Morgan aged 28 is there as a > general servant working for head of household William Gibby. > I'll send you the full census tomorrow and look for William. > > > By the way your George Morgan is not the right one for Lea - I > eventually found him in Cilymaenllwyd. > > Cheers > > Pat > > > In message <[email protected]>, Jonathan Pike > <[email protected]> writes > >Hi Pat > > > >The George Morgan who was of Crinow Glebe, Llandissilio in 1851 was one of > >my relatives. I had recorded the name as Grinow Glebe, but Crinow Glebe > >makes more sense as a place name. George was the son of David Morgan by his > >wife Sarah, nee Beddoe of Llwyncelyn, Egremont. > > > >I have most of the family on most of the censuses but not 1851. Do you have > >the rest of the 1851 census for Llandissilio. If so, would you mind checking > >for George's other sons. The eldest John would be about 28 and probably at > >Plasymeibion. the second, James would be about 26 and probably at Pencnwc > >East with a wife and 2 children. George's youngest son, William, became a > >merchant in Narberth and may well have been living there in 1851, perhaps as > >an apprentice. > > > >Amongst George's descendants were Elsie Sinclair Morgan, wife of Thomas Rees > >Francis, headmaster of Narberth School from 1924, and (William) Vincent > >Morgan, a doctor in Narberth in the 1920s and Medical Officer to the > >Narberth Union Workhouse. > > > >Cheers, Jonathan Pike

Dear Megan, Joy, Sandra and others, Was doing some sorting tonight and came across the will abstract for William Parcell of Carew who died in 1780. He was a Maltster. Hannah Palmer, wife of Allen Palmer, is mentioned as his granddaughter.....and from the Dyfed FH Journal Vol.2 article it seems she was Hannah Davies prior to marriage, and as William Parcell's mentions Elizabeth who was married to Robert Davies, St. Mary's Pembroke, that looks like the connection, although Elizabeth is not stipulated specifically as William Parcell's daughter. The article says Allen Palmer and his wife remained childless...whereas the will abstract mentions the children of Hannah Palmer...but no names given. Sanda has already told us that Allen Palmer died and Hannah (her ancestress) remarried in 1806 at Carew to Allen Hier. Perhaps she knows if there were Palmer children. As so many are interested in this Palmer family....here are the people mentioned in William Parcell's will...who would possibly be Hannah Palmer's aunts and other relatives. Arabella Marks wife of Benjamin Marks, Kidwelly, Carms. Mary Rowe wife of Richard Rowe, Llanfihangel Pembs. Susannah Harts....who was named as daughter and executrix. William Parcell also named his son Titus, and his grandson William, also David Parcell and his two children Margaret and Susannah, but he did not stipulate the relationship. Of course, this is only an abstract...the full will would clarify matters perhaps. Bettye Kirkwood

Dear John, David Morris, Blacksmith, married to Martha could be David Morris, Smith, Camrose, who married Martha Griffith at Fishguard on 09/09/1813. However...... David Morris, 1805 married Martha Griffiths at Rudbaxton ....and Rudbaxton is next to Prendergast on the map. Of course, no occupation is given for this particular David. You may now be able to follow their fortunes via census information....or you may find a birth record for Thomas. Parish register marriage entries for both marriages would be available at Haverfordwest Records Office. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census lookup request > Hi Gerry, > Not agreat deal else to tell really, thats the problem. > Thomas MORRIS b 1815 married Mary Ann ALLEN b 1819 at St Mary Pembroke in > 1839, his father is named as David MORRIS, Blacksmith, residence at time of > marriage is Prendergast. David was married to Martha and Thomas was a joiner by > trade. > Not much I know and I do appreciate the difficulty that it may not be > posible. > Best wishes > John > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > >

Hi Gerry, Thomas and Mary Ann moved to Liverpool shortly after their marriage in 1839 as the first child was born in Liverpool in 1840. Thomas worked in Cammel Lairds shipyards as did three subsequent generations of the family. Thanks for all your time on this, it is most appreciated. John My favourite sites. FreeBMD.com 1837online.com Lancashire BMD.org.uk Rootschat.com

on 16/2/04 8:41 am, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote: > Hi Gerry, > Not agreat deal else to tell really, thats the problem. > Thomas MORRIS b 1815 married Mary Ann ALLEN b 1819 at St Mary Pembroke in > 1839, his father is named as David MORRIS, Blacksmith, residence at time of > marriage is Prendergast. David was married to Martha and Thomas was a joiner > by > trade. > Not much I know and I do appreciate the difficulty that it may not be > posible. > Best wishes > John Hello John Regret unable to find any possibles in the 1841 indexes. I did find a Thomas Morris baptized 1815 Camrose in the baptism index, which ties in with Bettye's info. Camrose is just west of Prendergast and someone trained as a joiner would be very likely to move from a village to the vicinity of a town (in this case Haverfordwest). Where did Thomas and Mary Ann move to? Gerry Lewis

Dear Bettye and others I have the full will of William Palmer, Malster of Carew who died in 1780. Although the abstract lists Hannah Palmer as granddaughter it does not say this anywhere in the will - this has been presumed by whoever did the abstract. I have had it transcribed, if anyone would like this, let me know. I haven't seen the article you mention, but have worked back to this family through my Hier/Reed line. Susannah Harts, daughter of William Parcell was executrix and after her day his personal effects were to go to Hannah Palmer. Hannah claimed these in 1794 (NLW Ref: SD/1794/25) after Susannah's death as Hannah Hodge. From the Carew parish registers (originals at Haverfordwest RO) I have found the following - Allen Palmer of the parish of Carew, farmer married Hannah Parcell, spinster, by licence 21st April 1767, both signed, in the presence of Francis Palmer and John Eynon. Baptisms to Allen and Hannah Palmer are as follows - George baptised 22 Sep 1768, Mary baptised 25 Nov 1770, William baptised 19 Jul 1772, Rees baptised 30 May 1773, Patty baptised 1 Dec 1774, Elizabeth baptised 3 Nov 1776, Francis baptised 1 Jan 1779 and Susannah baptised 18 Nov 1779 all at Carew. Allen Palmer was interred at Carew 19th September 1779. He died inestate, but I have a copy of the 'grant' (still not sure of terminology) to his widow Hannah Palmer. The inventory of his goods names him as Allen Palmer of Park in the parish of Carew. Witnessed by John Skone and Wm Parcell. On 17 January 1781 Hannah Palmer, widow married Thomas Reed, bachelor, by licence at Carew. Hannah Palmer signed and a member of staff of the RO agreed that the signature was the same as that of Hannah Parcell on the first marriage. Their daughter Margaret Reed baptised 11 Apr 1784 at Carew was my ancestor and the wife of Allen Hier. Hannah Reed is listed on Land Tax records in both 1786 and 1787 as the tenant of both Landigwynet and Park in the parish of Carew. Hannah went on to marry a third time to John Hodges at St Issells on 25 October 1789 (witnesses George Palmer (her son?) and David Child) and was buried at Carew on 19 March 1821 aged 75. I still haven't figured out whether Hannah is a granddaughter or daughter of William Parcell the maltster, but have had a lot of fun and learnt so much trying to find out. She has been my most interesting ancestor to date! Best wishes Sandra > -----Original Message----- > From: BJ & LC Kirkwood [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 16 February 2004 11:21 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WLS-PEM] Palmer > > > Dear Megan, Joy, Sandra and others, > > Was doing some sorting tonight and came across the will abstract > for William Parcell of Carew who died in 1780. > He was a Maltster. > > Hannah Palmer, wife of Allen Palmer, is mentioned as his > granddaughter.....and from the Dyfed FH Journal Vol.2 article it > seems she was Hannah Davies prior to marriage, and as William > Parcell's mentions Elizabeth who was married to Robert Davies, > St. Mary's Pembroke, that looks like the connection, although > Elizabeth is not stipulated specifically as William Parcell's daughter. > > The article says Allen Palmer and his wife remained > childless...whereas the will abstract mentions the children of > Hannah Palmer...but no names given. > > Sanda has already told us that Allen Palmer died and Hannah (her > ancestress) remarried in 1806 at Carew to Allen Hier. Perhaps > she knows if there were Palmer children. > > As so many are interested in this Palmer family....here are the > people mentioned in William Parcell's will...who would possibly > be Hannah Palmer's aunts and other relatives. > > Arabella Marks wife of Benjamin Marks, Kidwelly, Carms. > Mary Rowe wife of Richard Rowe, Llanfihangel Pembs. > Susannah Harts....who was named as daughter and executrix. > > William Parcell also named his son Titus, and his grandson > William, also David Parcell and his two children Margaret and > Susannah, but he did not stipulate the relationship. > > Of course, this is only an abstract...the full will would clarify > matters perhaps. > > Bettye Kirkwood > ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk