Like you Debbie failed to find the rest--and like you wondering about the "s" The enumerators were not always precise!! Ann D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Olsen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 2:29 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Re: Census 1871 lookup - Johns and John question > Gerry, > Like Ann, the only family member I found for you was young Thomas living with his grandmother. There were no Samuel's and no Mary Anns with the right age. > Hope Ann has better luck. Perhaps they moved out of Pembrokeshire. I didn't check any further than that. > > I'm curious about the name Johns. Is it equivalent to the surname John? Also, are Davis and Davies interchangeable? Or are these completely distinct surnames? > > Debbie > > [email protected] wrote: > From: "JANETANN DAVIES" > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 lookup > > Thomas Johns found 1871 > Prendergast Haverfordwest > Stephens Ford > Martha Johns head of family married 62 b County > of Pembrokeshire > Thomas " grandson 7 > " deaf and dumb from birth > > Will keep looking for the others! > Ann D in Aberystwyth > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerry K. Lewis-Steer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:53 AM > Subject: Fw: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 lookup > > > > I have been away and on my return I did not see any response to my request > > for an 1871 census lookup for Pembrokeshire. > > Could SKS do me a favour. > > I am looking for my great grandmother: > > > > Name: Mary Ann Johns > > DOB: circa 1858 > > Place: Haverfordwest ( according to the 1891 census she was born in > > Crundle, and in the 1881 and 1901 census in Haverfordwest) > > > > She had a brother named Samuel Mabe Johns, born circa 1854 (as per 1881 > > census) in Haverfordwest ( on his gravestone it shows he died in 1898 at > > age of 47 making his DOB as 1851). > > > > In the 1881 census there is also listed a nephew Thomas L. Johns, born > > circa 1864 in Haverfordwest (deaf and dumb). > > On her wedding certificate from 1876 it gave her father as James Johns ( > > High Bailiff). Her brother Samuel Johns was a witness as well as an Alice > > Johns. > > > > Failing the 1871 census, could someone who has access to the 1861 census > see > > if they can find her and her family > > Thanks very much > > Gerry Lewis-Steer, Calgary, Canada > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Pembrokeshire Archives > email [email protected]

Hello Gerry As your Mary Ann Johns gave both Crundale and Haverfordwest as birthplace then as Crundale is just north of Haverfordwest (parish of Rudbaxton) I thought I'd have a look to see if she was there in 1861. This is what I found - I think it fits don't you? Folio 78 schedule 24 Cold house Martha John Hd M 52 Camrose Alice John dau 10 scholar Rudbaxton Samuel " son 8 " " Mary Ann " dau 3 " Note : there are John families in the next two houses too- although with such a surname there is no reason to assume they are related - but you could keep it in mind. My only concern is that you thought Mary's mother's name was Ann - what was the source of that information? If you are sure this is the correct family - then in 1851 they are in Camrose. Folio 367 page 19 schedule 77 From the index: Alice Sophia John 9 mths born Camrose Martha John 42 Camrose Thomas John 7 " I'll get back to you off-list if I find out more for you Cheers Pat In message <[email protected]>, JANETANN DAVIES <[email protected]> writes >Thomas Johns found 1871 >Prendergast Haverfordwest >Stephens Ford >Martha Johns head of family married 62 b County >of Pembrokeshire >Thomas " grandson 7 >" deaf and dumb from birth > >Will keep looking for the others! >Ann D in Aberystwyth > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gerry K. Lewis-Steer" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:53 AM >Subject: Fw: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 lookup > > >> I have been away and on my return I did not see any response to my request >> for an 1871 census lookup for Pembrokeshire. >> Could SKS do me a favour. >> I am looking for my great grandmother: >> >> Name: Mary Ann Johns >> DOB: circa 1858 >> Place: Haverfordwest ( according to the 1891 census she was born in >> Crundle, and in the 1881 and 1901 census in Haverfordwest) >> >> She had a brother named Samuel Mabe Johns, born circa 1854 (as per 1881 >> census) in Haverfordwest ( on his gravestone it shows he died in 1898 at >> age of 47 making his DOB as 1851). >> >> In the 1881 census there is also listed a nephew Thomas L. Johns, born >> circa 1864 in Haverfordwest (deaf and dumb). >> On her wedding certificate from 1876 it gave her father as James Johns ( >> High Bailiff). Her brother Samuel Johns was a witness as well as an Alice >> Johns. >> >> Failing the 1871 census, could someone who has access to the 1861 census >see >> if they can find her and her family >> Thanks very much >> Gerry Lewis-Steer, Calgary, Canada >> >> >> ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== >> South/West Wales Lookup Exchange >http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > -- Pat Powell

Gerry, Like Ann, the only family member I found for you was young Thomas living with his grandmother. There were no Samuel's and no Mary Anns with the right age. Hope Ann has better luck. Perhaps they moved out of Pembrokeshire. I didn't check any further than that. I'm curious about the name Johns. Is it equivalent to the surname John? Also, are Davis and Davies interchangeable? Or are these completely distinct surnames? Debbie [email protected] wrote: From: "JANETANN DAVIES" To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 lookup Thomas Johns found 1871 Prendergast Haverfordwest Stephens Ford Martha Johns head of family married 62 b County of Pembrokeshire Thomas " grandson 7 " deaf and dumb from birth Will keep looking for the others! Ann D in Aberystwyth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry K. Lewis-Steer" To: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:53 AM Subject: Fw: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 lookup > I have been away and on my return I did not see any response to my request > for an 1871 census lookup for Pembrokeshire. > Could SKS do me a favour. > I am looking for my great grandmother: > > Name: Mary Ann Johns > DOB: circa 1858 > Place: Haverfordwest ( according to the 1891 census she was born in > Crundle, and in the 1881 and 1901 census in Haverfordwest) > > She had a brother named Samuel Mabe Johns, born circa 1854 (as per 1881 > census) in Haverfordwest ( on his gravestone it shows he died in 1898 at > age of 47 making his DOB as 1851). > > In the 1881 census there is also listed a nephew Thomas L. Johns, born > circa 1864 in Haverfordwest (deaf and dumb). > On her wedding certificate from 1876 it gave her father as James Johns ( > High Bailiff). Her brother Samuel Johns was a witness as well as an Alice > Johns. > > Failing the 1871 census, could someone who has access to the 1861 census see > if they can find her and her family > Thanks very much > Gerry Lewis-Steer, Calgary, Canada --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail

Thomas Johns found 1871 Prendergast Haverfordwest Stephens Ford Martha Johns head of family married 62 b County of Pembrokeshire Thomas " grandson 7 " deaf and dumb from birth Will keep looking for the others! Ann D in Aberystwyth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry K. Lewis-Steer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:53 AM Subject: Fw: [WLS-PEM] Census 1871 lookup > I have been away and on my return I did not see any response to my request > for an 1871 census lookup for Pembrokeshire. > Could SKS do me a favour. > I am looking for my great grandmother: > > Name: Mary Ann Johns > DOB: circa 1858 > Place: Haverfordwest ( according to the 1891 census she was born in > Crundle, and in the 1881 and 1901 census in Haverfordwest) > > She had a brother named Samuel Mabe Johns, born circa 1854 (as per 1881 > census) in Haverfordwest ( on his gravestone it shows he died in 1898 at > age of 47 making his DOB as 1851). > > In the 1881 census there is also listed a nephew Thomas L. Johns, born > circa 1864 in Haverfordwest (deaf and dumb). > On her wedding certificate from 1876 it gave her father as James Johns ( > High Bailiff). Her brother Samuel Johns was a witness as well as an Alice > Johns. > > Failing the 1871 census, could someone who has access to the 1861 census see > if they can find her and her family > Thanks very much > Gerry Lewis-Steer, Calgary, Canada > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html

Hullo, Thanks for the E-mail, my confusion happened several years ago, have sorted it out now. I was actually replying to a [email protected] who was trying to trace the same one that I am descended from. Bettye Kirkwood down in your corner of the world told her about the other John Phillips, I only got in touch then to point out the possible confusion that could occur. Thanks all the same, Derek Evans.

I have already E-mailed Joan Sims re. James Phillips & Elizabeth (Lewis),I see that Bettye Kirkwood has suggested a James Phillips, Blacksmith married to a Bristol woman. My grandfather was James Phillips, and indeed he was married to Elizabeth (Lewis), a few years ago I went down the wrong road and assumed that the one mentioned by B.K. was my grandfather, however the two James Phillips's were both living in Pembroke Dock at the same time. My James Phillips was from Castlemartin and was married to Elizabeth Lewis, whose family came from Steynton, the James Phillips married to the Bristol woman came from Rosemarket.

Thanks Gerry for looking for may Harries/Harris family. The details from the 1851 index certainly looks promising. I have also found the name spelt as Harris on the 1881. If someone is able to confirm if John is a mariner then I will try for Williams birth certificate. Once again thanks for your help Pat

I have been away and on my return I did not see any response to my request for an 1871 census lookup for Pembrokeshire. Could SKS do me a favour. I am looking for my great grandmother: Name: Mary Ann Johns DOB: circa 1858 Place: Haverfordwest ( according to the 1891 census she was born in Crundle, and in the 1881 and 1901 census in Haverfordwest) She had a brother named Samuel Mabe Johns, born circa 1854 (as per 1881 census) in Haverfordwest ( on his gravestone it shows he died in 1898 at age of 47 making his DOB as 1851). In the 1881 census there is also listed a nephew Thomas L. Johns, born circa 1864 in Haverfordwest (deaf and dumb). On her wedding certificate from 1876 it gave her father as James Johns ( High Bailiff). Her brother Samuel Johns was a witness as well as an Alice Johns. Failing the 1871 census, could someone who has access to the 1861 census see if they can find her and her family Thanks very much Gerry Lewis-Steer, Calgary, Canada

on 24/2/04 6:35 pm, Pat's at [email protected] wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am hoping to find out more about my Harries ancestors from Pembroke but as > it appears to be a very common name down there, I don't know how lucky I > will be. > > My gggrandfather was William Harries. According to the information he gives > on the 1881, 1891, 1901, census he was born in Dinas about 1842. His > occupation was first a mariner then later a Ships pilot. I have just > received his marriage certificate. It shows he married Eliza Davies in > Swansea registry office in 1871. His father's name was John Harries, now > deceased, who had also been a mariner. > > I wonder if someone has access to the 1851 census would they mind having a > look to see if they can find the family for me. I've looked on the 1841 but > can't find a John Harries in Dinas. > > Many Thanks > Pat Hello Pat The only William Harrieses in Dinas in 1851 were an 82 year old and a 9 year old whose father was a Benjamin (reference HO107/2481, Dinas, folio 20, page 14, schedule 73). I wonder whether the 7 year old William Harris in Dinas with a father John reference HO107/2481, Dinas, folio 38, page 22, schedule 108) is relevant?: Ann Harris, 24, born Dinas Ann Harris, 49, born Dinas James Harris, 2, born Dinas John Harris, 12, born Dinas John Harris, 49, born Dinas Margaret Harris, 10, born Dinas Thomas Harries, 16, born Dinas William Harries, 7, born Dinas Can someone with access to the 1851 census return confirm John's occupation. The following in the 1841 census index (HO107/1446/25, Newport, folio 40, page 12) seem to be at least two families but some of the people (*) match the above: *Anne Harris, 15 *Anne Harris, 35 [to 39] David Harris, 12 David Harris, 20 [to 24] *John Harris, 3 John Harris, 53, Mariner *Margaret Harris, 3mo. Maria Harris, 30 [to 34] Maria Harris, 60 [to 64] Maria Harris, 9 *Thomas Harris, 6 William Harris, 60 [to 64], Farmer Can someone with access to the 1841 census returns confirm the grouping? Perhaps John the mariner was at sea? This could possibly be their marriage: Newport, Feb 11 1826, by Licence John Harries, Dinas and Anne Harries Dinas and Newport are adjacent parishes. Gerry Lewis

I wonder if this is his father in 1871 Parkglas Dinas John Harries head w 74 retired mariner and landlord b Dinas Thanks Ann for the above information from the 1871 census it may well be William's father, I will keep it on file. Hopefully someone will spot him on the 1851 and this will help us find out. Thanks again for your help It's much appreciated. Regards Pat

Dear Dyfed and Pembrokeshire Listers, Many thanks to those of you who responded so generously to my request for help on behalf Jessie Wagner, a Tasmanian contact who lacks Internet access. I will pass on your messages to her by post and report back to you when/if she replies. Kindest regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:06 AM Subject: [Dyfed] LORD family of Pembrokeshire - Help needed Dear Listers, I recently spoke to a Mrs Jessie Wagner from Tasmania (Australia) who is seeking help in tracing a LORD family originally from Pembrokeshire. Mrs Wagner is not on the Internet but can be contacted initially through me. Mrs Wagner says: --------------------- My ancestor Edward LORD was born 1781 in Pembrokeshire, son of Joseph LORD and Corbetta OWEN. Edward came to Tasmania with Collins in 1804 as a Lieutenant, via Victoria (Australia) in 1803. He married in Tasmania. I am interested in tracing his descendants -- his children were taken from Tasmania and educated in England. He also had children to Elizabeth STORER in Kent, England. Of his children, Corbetta LORD married a Major Wallace; Eliza married a MANSEL; Emma married Anguish [sic] DURANT. --------------------- If any lister researching a LORD family of Pembrokeshire recognises this family or is interested in helping, please contact me and I will put you in touch with Mrs Wagner in Tasmania. Many thanks, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 20/02/2004

I wonder if this is his father in 1871 Parkglas Dinas John Harries head w 74 retired mariner and landlord b Dinas Mary A James dau 32 mariner's wife " Margaret " grand 13 " Frances " " 10 " John H " grands 8 " Martha " grand 9mnths " Ann D in Aber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat's" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:35 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Harries Dinas > > Hi All, > > I am hoping to find out more about my Harries ancestors from Pembroke but as > it appears to be a very common name down there, I don't know how lucky I > will be. > > My gggrandfather was William Harries. According to the information he gives > on the 1881, 1891, 1901, census he was born in Dinas about 1842. His > occupation was first a mariner then later a Ships pilot. I have just > received his marriage certificate. It shows he married Eliza Davies in > Swansea registry office in 1871. His father's name was John Harries, now > deceased, who had also been a mariner. > > I wonder if someone has access to the 1851 census would they mind having a > look to see if they can find the family for me. I've looked on the 1841 but > can't find a John Harries in Dinas. > > Many Thanks > Pat > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html

Hi All, I am hoping to find out more about my Harries ancestors from Pembroke but as it appears to be a very common name down there, I don't know how lucky I will be. My gggrandfather was William Harries. According to the information he gives on the 1881, 1891, 1901, census he was born in Dinas about 1842. His occupation was first a mariner then later a Ships pilot. I have just received his marriage certificate. It shows he married Eliza Davies in Swansea registry office in 1871. His father's name was John Harries, now deceased, who had also been a mariner. I wonder if someone has access to the 1851 census would they mind having a look to see if they can find the family for me. I've looked on the 1841 but can't find a John Harries in Dinas. Many Thanks Pat

If this is the Joseph LORD who changed his name to OWEN (see http://www.accessgenealogy.com/surnames/owen/index.htm and follow a search for Joseph Lord), he and Corbetta OWEN are the 4 x g grandparents of my wife, Evelyn (neé NEWBATT), whose grandmother, Evelyn Marian OWEN, was the youngest daughter of Hugh Charles OWEN bt. and his 1st wife, Elizabeth (?). Brian H VARRALL Ottery St Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:06 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] LORD family of Pembrokeshire - Help needed > Dear Listers, > > I recently spoke to a Mrs Jessie Wagner from Tasmania (Australia) who is > seeking help in tracing a LORD family originally from Pembrokeshire. Mrs > Wagner is not on the Internet but can be contacted initially through me. > > Mrs Wagner says: > --------------------- > My ancestor Edward LORD was born 1781 in Pembrokeshire, son of Joseph LORD > and Corbetta OWEN. > Edward came to Tasmania with Collins in 1804 as a Lieutenant, via Victoria > (Australia) in 1803. He married in Tasmania. > I am interested in tracing his descendants -- his children were taken from > Tasmania and educated in England. He also had children to Elizabeth STORER > in Kent, England. > Of his children, Corbetta LORD married a Major Wallace; Eliza married a > MANSEL; Emma married Anguish [sic] DURANT. > --------------------- > > If any lister researching a LORD family of Pembrokeshire recognises this > family or is interested in helping, please contact me and I will put you in > touch with Mrs Wagner in Tasmania. > > Many thanks, > > John > ---------------------------- > John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK > E-mail: [email protected] > Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 20/02/2004 > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Pembrokeshire Archives > email [email protected] > >

Dear Listers, I recently spoke to a Mrs Jessie Wagner from Tasmania (Australia) who is seeking help in tracing a LORD family originally from Pembrokeshire. Mrs Wagner is not on the Internet but can be contacted initially through me. Mrs Wagner says: --------------------- My ancestor Edward LORD was born 1781 in Pembrokeshire, son of Joseph LORD and Corbetta OWEN. Edward came to Tasmania with Collins in 1804 as a Lieutenant, via Victoria (Australia) in 1803. He married in Tasmania. I am interested in tracing his descendants -- his children were taken from Tasmania and educated in England. He also had children to Elizabeth STORER in Kent, England. Of his children, Corbetta LORD married a Major Wallace; Eliza married a MANSEL; Emma married Anguish [sic] DURANT. --------------------- If any lister researching a LORD family of Pembrokeshire recognises this family or is interested in helping, please contact me and I will put you in touch with Mrs Wagner in Tasmania. Many thanks, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 20/02/2004

Dear Mel, Sounds like one of the Cornock Quakers I mentioned previously. Gareth kindly sent me a piece re my Quaker (late 1600's early 1700) so I am copying separately for your general interest. I'm sure he won't mind. Haverfordwest and Carmarthen gaols are mentioned, so the Records Offices may be of help. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "davidmel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:35 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] CORNOCK/ imprisoned for religious beliefs > My father has just informed me (after months of interegation where he claimed to know nothing!) > that one of my CORNOCK ancestors was imprisoned for his religious beliefs - he thinks late 1700's early 1800's > > I have a William born 1803 his father was David/Dafydd who lived between Scelddau and Lettertstone (I have not traced family futher back than there yet!) > > Can some wise kind soul advise me WHERE I might find out whether this info is correct or just "family gossip"! > > - and where I can now lock my father as he seems to be remembering things (he's 70) > regards > Melanie > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki PEM > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ >

Good Morning, I wonder if someone is familiar with the Baptist Church members who found the First Primitive Church in America. There were 16 founding members who left from the Pembrokeshire and Caermarthen area in 1701. The first American Baptist Church was the Pencader Hundred in New Castle County, Delaware. I am trying to identify a later member of the St. David's Church of Radnor, Chester County, Pennsylvania, a church that was former by the members of The First Baptist church in New Castle. His name was Owen Roblin and he was lived in Tredyffrin (Valleytown). His name is found in a book about St. David's Church. Unfortunately it does not include the church records. Owen Roblin owned property in 1722 in PA. So he must have come between 1701 and 1722. I am hoping that if the original members of the First Baptist Church were all members of the same church in Pembrokeshire that Owen Roblin might also be found in those church records before he left for America. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Regards, Linda Herman Maryland

Dear Henry, A Charles Davies married Mary Harries at Steynton 09/01/1831. Bettye Kirkwood, Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 10:44 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Re: John DAVIES and spouse Jane > Can any lister help me trace my wife's Gt Grandmother's ancestry. John > Davies was born in 1831. His father Charles in the 1841 census was shown as > living in Third Street (now Robert St) Milford Haven - occupation butcher. I > have Jane as being born c.1833. > > I assume that John married Jane circa early 1850s. Their children and birth > years are: > > James 1855 > Charles 1862 > William Lewis 1867 > Caroline 1869 > Alice 1869 > George 1871 > Albert 1874 > > Can anyone shed any light on John's wife JANE and her ancestry. > > If there is any lister who can help I will be very grateful. > > Henry Johnston > Pembrokeshire > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm >

Dear Joan, 1881 census gives James Phillips, Blacksmith, born Pembroke Dock aged 28, (i.e. born c. 1853) had a wife Ellen born at Bristol, aged 29.....son Edgar J. Phillips aged 6 was born Cardiff, Glam. You might find the marriage in Bristol, but if you purchased the child's birth cert. more information would be available. The Johns may have married in Cards. However, 3 John Johns married Marthas, between 1821 and 1837 in Pemb. index. Are any children listed ....allowing date estimates? Bettye Kirkwood, Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Sims" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 2:17 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] Phillips & John > Hullo all, > I am trying to trace my ancestors in Pembrokeshire and hope that someone might be able to shed some light on the families I am looking for : James Phillips a blacksmith probably in Pembroke > Dock, married to Elizabeth (Lewis?). living at 33,Lower Pennar. Saint Mary in 1883. Also on the 1841 census a John John and Martha John aged 45 living at New House ,Newport parish. Martha was born in Pembroke and John was born in Verwig, Cardigan. I do not know the area so any information about Saint Mary and Verwig would be very welcome. Cheers Joan. > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >

Dear James, I take it those references I gave you never led anywhere. Just for general interest, I noticed that (English/Aussie) Naomi Watts the Oscar contender had a Welsh grandfather .....where from was not stated. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Evans" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 4:58 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] JENKINS, WATTS and MORRIS of Pembrokeshire > Dear List, > > I'm back on the trail of my elusive Pembrokeshire ancestors: > > 1) William JENKINS married Maria WATTS in Haverfordwest in 1823. They moved > to Tredegar, Mon. in about 1825/6 where their son James - my direct > ancestor - was born. William was a shoemaker/cordwainer born in > Haverfordwest in the early 1800s(according to the census) and Maria is said > to have been born in Fishguard in the late 1790s although I have found no > information about either of their births as yet - I thought that finding a > Maria Watts would be easy compared to trying to identify a Mary Jones! > > 2) David MORRIS, born in 'Pembrokeshire' per the Monmouthshire 1851 census - > no more detail is given - married Mary (nee MORRIS, b. 'Cardiganshire') > between about 1825 and 1830. No suitable marriage of a David MORRIS to a > Mary MORRIS has been found anywhere in Wales, nor do I appear to have much > chance of finding their births sometime in the first decade of the 19th > century with just their counties of birth. Any suggestions are therefore > welcome. > > Best wishes > James Phillips-Evans > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki PEM > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/ >