Dear Gerry, Sounds likely. Thank you. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry K. Lewis-Steer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:57 PM Subject: [WLS-PEM] WLS-Pembs re Stoke Dev- Puddicombe/Bright > Hi Bettye and Mal > > Re your e-mails March 17 and 18. > > There is an area called Stoke in Devonport, Devon. > > Gerry Lewis-Steer, Calgary, Canada > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Pembrokeshire Archives > email [email protected] >

Hello Bettye Thank you for your reply to my query. I am very grateful and the information sounds a promising start with this family. I know that my friend does indeed have relatives in Australia. Best wishes Mal ---------- >From: "BJ & LC Kirkwood" <[email protected]> >To: "Mal Hale" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] PUDDICOMBE & BRIGHT >Date: Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 1:11 am > > Bettye Kirkwood.

Dear Mal, On 22/11/1818 a James Puddicombe, Merchant, Stoke Dev, married Rebecca Smith at St. Martin's Haverfordwest. (I haven't heard of Stoke Dev. there is a Stoke D'Abernon in my atlas). I'd suggest you or your friend purchase a copy of the parish register entry from Haverfordwest Records Office, on which you would receive witness names and be able to look at the signatures etc. The Records Office might be able to find a baptism for you, if you wish.There do not appear to be any Puddicombe wills in the St. David's Probate index. At the risk of boring other Listers witless. In Newcastle, Australia, my mother had good friends named Aphra and Elma Gibbs. Elma Gibbs was a well loved and long serving, radio announcer (think she was on Radio 2KO Newcastle, but it could have been 2HD). In her private life, if my memory is correct, she was Mrs. Charles Puddicombe. This was when I was young....so could be 50/60-or-so years ago. Newcastle City has a good Historical Archives/Museum so if you think there might be some connection you could contact them for further information. Puddicombe may have been a well known name in Stoke Whatever, but that's the only other time I've heard of it. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mal Hale" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:19 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] PUDDICOMBE & BRIGHT > Hello all > I am new to this list and have joined in the hope someone may be able to > provide some answers for a friend of mine. > > She is looking for any information on Eliza Maria PUDDICOMBE who married > Thomas BRIGHT. Eliza was born in St Peters Camarthen around 1824. Her > mother was Rebecca Puddicombe (maiden name unknown) listed in the 1881 > census as a retired stationer born in Haverfordwest, Pembroke in 1797. She > would like to discover her maiden name. > > Eliza and Thomas bright had a son Thomas SMITH BRIGHT a civil engineer. It > seems there were notices in the paper looking for him as he was heir to a > title, plus farmland and a castle! He never claimed it though for fear it > would cost him money. > If anyone has any idea how we are able to verify any of this please please > let me know. > > All I have managed to find so far is an Eliza and Maria Puddicombe, grocers > and tea merchants in Camarhen in the 1840s and the author Anne Adaliza > Puddicombe 1836-1908 who wrote under the name of Allen Raine from Pembroke. > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb list archives[threaded] http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLSPembrokeshire-L/ >

Can anyone please help me find the correct birthplace for my great grandfather? He was born William Jones, son of John Jones, joiner. In the 1901 census his age was 37 and birthplace Dinas Cross, Pembs., and he was a joiner. In 1888 he married Margaret Ann Forrest in Swansea aged 34, so there is a 10 years or so discrepancy with his date of birth. The only William Jones I have so far found in the 1881 census to fit was an apprentice carpenter aged 17 and birthplace Dinas, who was at the house of William Phillips Carpenter Master of Bwlchclawdd, Llanfyrnach. I only found out last week that there is another Dinas near Llanfyrnach and now I'm unsure which Dinas he was born in. (I know that Llanfyrnach is near the border of Pembs and Carms). We spent a lovely afternoon last Saturday looking round the graveyards in both Dinas' for inspiration, but to no avail. Any advice would be very welcome. Marguarite

Hello all I am new to this list and have joined in the hope someone may be able to provide some answers for a friend of mine. She is looking for any information on Eliza Maria PUDDICOMBE who married Thomas BRIGHT. Eliza was born in St Peters Camarthen around 1824. Her mother was Rebecca Puddicombe (maiden name unknown) listed in the 1881 census as a retired stationer born in Haverfordwest, Pembroke in 1797. She would like to discover her maiden name. Eliza and Thomas bright had a son Thomas SMITH BRIGHT a civil engineer. It seems there were notices in the paper looking for him as he was heir to a title, plus farmland and a castle! He never claimed it though for fear it would cost him money. If anyone has any idea how we are able to verify any of this please please let me know. All I have managed to find so far is an Eliza and Maria Puddicombe, grocers and tea merchants in Camarhen in the 1840s and the author Anne Adaliza Puddicombe 1836-1908 who wrote under the name of Allen Raine from Pembroke.

Hi Bettye and Mal Re your e-mails March 17 and 18. There is an area called Stoke in Devonport, Devon. Gerry Lewis-Steer, Calgary, Canada

Dear Gerry, I agree with all you've written, but I knew a lady who was born when her mother was 56, verified absolutely by other family members. However, when these situations appear in family history one must have doubts. Couples appear to have very often married after the birth of the child, but the grandmothers often kept the first born, perhaps to give the young couple a chance to establish themselves in their relationship. Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: [WLS-PEM] This week's trivial information ......Or was it > common for a 52 year old woman to have a child in the 1880s? The 1881 census > shows Ann as being 48, so I haven't mistranscribed her age. > > I suspect that couples taking a grandchild as their own was quite common in > order that the daughter didn't have the stigma of having an illegitimate > child. It seemed to be a very sensible way to get around a social > difficulty. >

Hi List Could sks do a look up if possible looking for a christening of JOHN LETTS around 1811 ST MARTIN HAVERFORDWEST any info would be great thank you in advance best wishes wendy Leicester

Dear Sean, Have looked in Mr. Richard Rose's book "Pemroke People' for any Sullivans listed in the second section which is alphabetized and gives odd bits of information such as baptisms, burials, etc. I found no Sullivans listed there. The main of the book is by occupation. 1831 14/04 John SULLIVAN m Mary BEVANS Steynton. The GRO Marriage Index shows SULLIVAN, Catherine Haverfordwest 605 26 September 1837 Regards, Elaine.

Hello all Of total inconsequentiality, I find that Curlew's Quay in Slebech parish listed in the 1891 census is shown as Curlysky on the OS 1:25,000 scale map. This property was (is?) the nearest building to the point where the Western and Eastern Cleddau rivers meet to become the Daugleddau. I think the census entry is interesting - 58 year old John Williams and his 59 year old wife Ann apparently have a 7 year old son Henry. Is he actually their son or is he a grandson (possibly born out of wedlock)? Or was it common for a 52 year old woman to have a child in the 1880s? The 1881 census shows Ann as being 48, so I haven't mistranscribed her age. I suspect that couples taking a grandchild as their own was quite common in order that the daughter didn't have the stigma of having an illegitimate child. It seemed to be a very sensible way to get around a social difficulty. I remember reading about a Hollywood filmstar (Jack Nicholson?) who only later in life discovered that his "mother" was actually his grandmother and his "sister" was actually his mother. Gerry Lewis

Nice chap in H"west John Hart don"t know how much he knows Tony Rogers ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick hart" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Harts in Pembroke > Dear Bettye > > Well thanks for the information and sorry for the > belated reply. But I have been going in circles over > the last few weeks rather like the mythical bird with > one short wing. > > The information is very much along the lines that I > suspect but proving it is going to be an up hill > struggle. In the IGI records William and Mary from > Talbenny are recorded as having a daughter Elizabeth > christened 24 May 1818. But no further information is > forth coming. > > The church records are very silent about Liz as well. > Seemingly there was a Tabernacle in Little Haven > [Independents, c 1812] but where their records are > kept is something of a mystery. So I am currently > trying to find out where Liz's record sprang from. So > it going to be off to the local Family History Centre > to see what they can suggest. > > I am going back to Pembroke this summer (I don't live > quite as remote as you. Just the north of England. ) > so I will have to make some time to visit > Haverfordwest and have a dig through the records and > see what they reveal. Currently I am working from > indexes and transcripts. > > If any one out there knows where the Tabernacle > records for Talbenny / Little Haven are kept I would > be very grateful > > Further if any one has access to the 1841 / 51 census > are there any Harts in Talbenny at this time? > > If I run across the name of Mackan, or what ever, I > will let you know but I suspect that anything I find > you will probably already have. > > Good Hunting > > Nick > > > > > --- BJ & LC Kirkwood <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Nick, > > > > John may never have been baptised, but the Talbenny > > church records should > > possibly be checked. Your John Hart married > > Margaret Twigg in 1833 at > > Hayscastle. I presume the parish register entry > > will have witness names > > which might give more clues, although you said it > > was uninformative. > > > > As John's age was 37 in 1851 census (birthplace > > Talbenny) > > it would seem likely that his parents were William > > Hart of Freystrop who > > married Mary Moy at Talbenny on 17th. July, > > 1813...so probably an end of > > 1813 baptism or 1814 ..even from July, 1813 if some > > of my ancestral line are > > anything to go by (I CAN count..but we are talking > > about Pembrokeshire!). > > > > A William Hart married Frances Philipps at Freystrop > > in 1780 (which might be > > a generation back for your line) and a John Hart > > married Elizabeth Morris at > > Haverfordwest St. Martin in 1792...so you can take > > your pick. There were > > other Hart marriages at Camrose and Steynton, but > > you seem to think that in > > your line the family names were repeated ad > > infinitum. > > > > If Mary Moy proves to be part of your ancestry, then > > a Benjamin Moy married > > Catherine Mackan at Hubberston in 1813 > > (05/06/1813)......he might be a > > brother or cousin to Mary and marrying in his > > bride's parish ...and perhaps > > if you investigated this marriage you might get > > similar witness names. A > > Francis Moy in 1782 married Mary Howell at St. > > Ishmaels....and this appears > > to be the only marriage which fits timewise. > > > > I have a slight interest in the Twigg name and that > > of Maccan (which might > > be Mackan) so would be interested to hear if you > > have anything further. > > > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "nick hart" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:40 AM > > Subject: [WLS-PEM] Harts in Pembroke > > > > > > > I am currently trying to trace a John Hart who > > married > > > a Margaret Twigg in 1833 in Hayscastle. The > > marriage > > > entry is very uninformative about the Groom other > > than > > > he was a labourer > > > However the 1851 census entry gives his age as 37 > > and > > > place of birth as Talbenny. > > > > > > Armed with this information I have searched the > > Dyfed > > > index for the Rhos hundred, but this does not > > record a > > > John Hart being christened at the relevant time > > > C1813. > > > > > > I know that my forbears were very uninventive in > > their > > > choice of names but if anyone has stumbled across > > a > > > John Hart C1813 I would be grateful for any > > > information that might suggest a course of > > > investigation. > > > > > > Nick Hart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > > > your friends today! 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Dear Bettye Well thanks for the information and sorry for the belated reply. But I have been going in circles over the last few weeks rather like the mythical bird with one short wing. The information is very much along the lines that I suspect but proving it is going to be an up hill struggle. In the IGI records William and Mary from Talbenny are recorded as having a daughter Elizabeth christened 24 May 1818. But no further information is forth coming. The church records are very silent about Liz as well. Seemingly there was a Tabernacle in Little Haven [Independents, c 1812] but where their records are kept is something of a mystery. So I am currently trying to find out where Liz’s record sprang from. So it going to be off to the local Family History Centre to see what they can suggest. I am going back to Pembroke this summer (I don’t live quite as remote as you. Just the north of England. ) so I will have to make some time to visit Haverfordwest and have a dig through the records and see what they reveal. Currently I am working from indexes and transcripts. If any one out there knows where the Tabernacle records for Talbenny / Little Haven are kept I would be very grateful Further if any one has access to the 1841 / 51 census are there any Harts in Talbenny at this time? If I run across the name of Mackan, or what ever, I will let you know but I suspect that anything I find you will probably already have. Good Hunting Nick --- BJ & LC Kirkwood <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Nick, > > John may never have been baptised, but the Talbenny > church records should > possibly be checked. Your John Hart married > Margaret Twigg in 1833 at > Hayscastle. I presume the parish register entry > will have witness names > which might give more clues, although you said it > was uninformative. > > As John's age was 37 in 1851 census (birthplace > Talbenny) > it would seem likely that his parents were William > Hart of Freystrop who > married Mary Moy at Talbenny on 17th. July, > 1813...so probably an end of > 1813 baptism or 1814 ..even from July, 1813 if some > of my ancestral line are > anything to go by (I CAN count..but we are talking > about Pembrokeshire!). > > A William Hart married Frances Philipps at Freystrop > in 1780 (which might be > a generation back for your line) and a John Hart > married Elizabeth Morris at > Haverfordwest St. Martin in 1792...so you can take > your pick. There were > other Hart marriages at Camrose and Steynton, but > you seem to think that in > your line the family names were repeated ad > infinitum. > > If Mary Moy proves to be part of your ancestry, then > a Benjamin Moy married > Catherine Mackan at Hubberston in 1813 > (05/06/1813)......he might be a > brother or cousin to Mary and marrying in his > bride's parish ...and perhaps > if you investigated this marriage you might get > similar witness names. A > Francis Moy in 1782 married Mary Howell at St. > Ishmaels....and this appears > to be the only marriage which fits timewise. > > I have a slight interest in the Twigg name and that > of Maccan (which might > be Mackan) so would be interested to hear if you > have anything further. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nick hart" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:40 AM > Subject: [WLS-PEM] Harts in Pembroke > > > > I am currently trying to trace a John Hart who > married > > a Margaret Twigg in 1833 in Hayscastle. The > marriage > > entry is very uninformative about the Groom other > than > > he was a labourer > > However the 1851 census entry gives his age as 37 > and > > place of birth as Talbenny. > > > > Armed with this information I have searched the > Dyfed > > index for the Rhos hundred, but this does not > record a > > John Hart being christened at the relevant time > > C1813. > > > > I know that my forbears were very uninventive in > their > > choice of names but if anyone has stumbled across > a > > John Hart C1813 I would be grateful for any > > information that might suggest a course of > > investigation. > > > > Nick Hart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Gareth's Help Page > > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb list archives[threaded] > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLSPembrokeshire-L/ > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Hi, can anybody help? I have a Cornelius SULLIVAN who died by accidental drowning in or outside his address at Quay, Pembroke. The inquest was held on 16th November 1871 any ideas as to what would be the best paper(s) to look in at Colindale. Sean Interested in any Sullivan's from Pembroke

March 12, 2004, At the present time, I am looking for the possible marriage of a John BUTTERY. In the 1871 census he was age 45. His residence was the Victoria Hotel, Pater, Pembs. This is all the information that I have on him at the moment. If anyone can help, I would appreciate it very much. Cheers. Joan. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines

Dear Joy (and Simon), What a clever girl, Joy! I certainly missed this particular spelling. In the Cosheston index, which I have, John Caniford certainly appears. I can now add that a Sarah CANIFORD was married at Cosheston in 1777 and a Lettice CANNIPHER in 1790. Who they married remains a mystery to me as my index never joins up the couples. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Surname KENNIFORD, Cosheston, 1818 - 1908 > Hi Simon > > Here is your KENNIFORD family in 1861 > PRO Ref. RG9 Piece No 4152 Folio 38 Page 1 Schedule No 3 > Main Street, Cosheston > George KENIFORD, Head, Mar, 40, Mason, Pembroke, Cosheston > Eleanor KENIFORD, Wife, Mar, 30, - , Liverpool > George KENIFORD, Son, Un, 11, Scholar, Liverpool > Margret KENIFORD, Daur, Un, 10, Scholar, Pembroke, Cosheston > Joshua Wm KENIFORD, Son, Un, 8, Scholar, Pembroke, Cosheston > John KENIFORD, Son, Un, 6, Scholar, Pembroke, Cosheston > Lewis KENIFORD, Son, Un, 3, Scholar, Pembroke, Cosheston > Jane KENIFORD, Daur, - , 4 mo, - , Pembroke, Cosheston > > He is not in the 1851 Census for Pembroke Registration District which > includes Cosheston. He must have been in Liverpool at that time as his wife was born > there and they must also have married there as their first child was born > there in about 1849/50. There are baptisms at Cosheston for the following > children in the IGI on fiche > > 10 Sept 1854 John > 3 Aug 1856 Jane This child must have died = see Jane > 1861 > 13 Dec 1857 Lewis > 30 Dec 1861 Jane > 29 Nov 1863 Sarah Ellen > 21 Oct 1866 Charlotte > > 1841 Census > PRO Ref. HO107 Piece No 1443 Book 4 Folio 19 Page 10 > Cosheston, Pembs > Margaret KENNIFORD, 70, Y > George KENNIFORD, 21, J.Mason, Y > Y = Born in County > > From the 1992 IGI on fiche a baptism for George > 31 Aug 1817 George son of John/Margaret CANIFORD > > Another child with the same parents > 18 Jan 1815 Isaac > > Banns and Marriage at Cosheston for John and Margaret > John CANNIFORD > Margaret HUGHES both of this parish > Banns read 9, 16, 23 November 1794 by John Holcombe, Rector > > Pembrokeshire CRO Ref. HPR14/4 Cosheston Parish Register - Marriages > 1761-1812 Page 26 Third on page > 29 November 1794 > John CANIFORD of the parish of Cosheston > Margaret HUGHES of the same parish > Witnesses Peter BRINN Joseph DALBY > Rector John HOLCOMBE > > NB John CANIFORD made his mark > > John and Jane KENIFORD ran West Farm Cosheston and both were buried in 1912 > John aged 76 on 10 November 1912 > Jane aged 65 on 9 October 1912 > > Bye for now > Joy > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > >

Just want to say a huge thank you to Bettye in Australia and Joy for the information they have provided for KENNIFORD and all manner of variant spellings! I am really really grateful for the info, not least because this family are now the first that I have with any info pre 1800. I am still relatively a newbie! There is lots and lots of relevant information, so it is a great help and is going to take some time to go through! I would also like to thank the two people who contacted me off list, one of whom Vera has also provided me with some excellent information. Many thanks Simon in Munich -----Original Message----- From: BJ & LC Kirkwood [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Surname KENNIFORD, Cosheston, 1818 - 1908 Dear Joy (and Simon), What a clever girl, Joy! I certainly missed this particular spelling. In the Cosheston index, which I have, John Caniford certainly appears. I can now add that a Sarah CANIFORD was married at Cosheston in 1777 and a Lettice CANNIPHER in 1790. Who they married remains a mystery to me as my index never joins up the couples. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-PEM] Surname KENNIFORD, Cosheston, 1818 - 1908 > Hi Simon > > Here is your KENNIFORD family in 1861 > PRO Ref. RG9 Piece No 4152 Folio 38 Page 1 Schedule No 3 > Main Street, Cosheston > George KENIFORD, Head, Mar, 40, Mason, Pembroke, Cosheston > Eleanor KENIFORD, Wife, Mar, 30, - , Liverpool > George KENIFORD, Son, Un, 11, Scholar, Liverpool > Margret KENIFORD, Daur, Un, 10, Scholar, Pembroke, Cosheston > Joshua Wm KENIFORD, Son, Un, 8, Scholar, Pembroke, Cosheston > John KENIFORD, Son, Un, 6, Scholar, Pembroke, Cosheston > Lewis KENIFORD, Son, Un, 3, Scholar, Pembroke, Cosheston > Jane KENIFORD, Daur, - , 4 mo, - , Pembroke, Cosheston > > He is not in the 1851 Census for Pembroke Registration District which > includes Cosheston. He must have been in Liverpool at that time as his wife was born > there and they must also have married there as their first child was born > there in about 1849/50. There are baptisms at Cosheston for the following > children in the IGI on fiche > > 10 Sept 1854 John > 3 Aug 1856 Jane This child must have died = see Jane > 1861 > 13 Dec 1857 Lewis > 30 Dec 1861 Jane > 29 Nov 1863 Sarah Ellen > 21 Oct 1866 Charlotte > > 1841 Census > PRO Ref. HO107 Piece No 1443 Book 4 Folio 19 Page 10 > Cosheston, Pembs > Margaret KENNIFORD, 70, Y > George KENNIFORD, 21, J.Mason, Y > Y = Born in County > > From the 1992 IGI on fiche a baptism for George > 31 Aug 1817 George son of John/Margaret CANIFORD > > Another child with the same parents > 18 Jan 1815 Isaac > > Banns and Marriage at Cosheston for John and Margaret > John CANNIFORD > Margaret HUGHES both of this parish > Banns read 9, 16, 23 November 1794 by John Holcombe, Rector > > Pembrokeshire CRO Ref. HPR14/4 Cosheston Parish Register - Marriages > 1761-1812 Page 26 Third on page > 29 November 1794 > John CANIFORD of the parish of Cosheston > Margaret HUGHES of the same parish > Witnesses Peter BRINN Joseph DALBY > Rector John HOLCOMBE > > NB John CANIFORD made his mark > > John and Jane KENIFORD ran West Farm Cosheston and both were buried in 1912 > John aged 76 on 10 November 1912 > Jane aged 65 on 9 October 1912 > > Bye for now > Joy > > > > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== National Library of Wales http://www.llgc.org.uk/

Hi Simon Here is your KENNIFORD family in 1861 PRO Ref. RG9 Piece No 4152 Folio 38 Page 1 Schedule No 3 Main Street, Cosheston George KENIFORD, Head, Mar, 40, Mason, Pembroke, Cosheston Eleanor KENIFORD, Wife, Mar, 30, - , Liverpool George KENIFORD, Son, Un, 11, Scholar, Liverpool Margret KENIFORD, Daur, Un, 10, Scholar, Pembroke, Cosheston Joshua Wm KENIFORD, Son, Un, 8, Scholar, Pembroke, Cosheston John KENIFORD, Son, Un, 6, Scholar, Pembroke, Cosheston Lewis KENIFORD, Son, Un, 3, Scholar, Pembroke, Cosheston Jane KENIFORD, Daur, - , 4 mo, - , Pembroke, Cosheston He is not in the 1851 Census for Pembroke Registration District which includes Cosheston. He must have been in Liverpool at that time as his wife was born there and they must also have married there as their first child was born there in about 1849/50. There are baptisms at Cosheston for the following children in the IGI on fiche 10 Sept 1854 John 3 Aug 1856 Jane This child must have died = see Jane 1861 13 Dec 1857 Lewis 30 Dec 1861 Jane 29 Nov 1863 Sarah Ellen 21 Oct 1866 Charlotte 1841 Census PRO Ref. HO107 Piece No 1443 Book 4 Folio 19 Page 10 Cosheston, Pembs Margaret KENNIFORD, 70, Y George KENNIFORD, 21, J.Mason, Y Y = Born in County From the 1992 IGI on fiche a baptism for George 31 Aug 1817 George son of John/Margaret CANIFORD Another child with the same parents 18 Jan 1815 Isaac Banns and Marriage at Cosheston for John and Margaret John CANNIFORD Margaret HUGHES both of this parish Banns read 9, 16, 23 November 1794 by John Holcombe, Rector Pembrokeshire CRO Ref. HPR14/4 Cosheston Parish Register - Marriages 1761-1812 Page 26 Third on page 29 November 1794 John CANIFORD of the parish of Cosheston Margaret HUGHES of the same parish Witnesses Peter BRINN Joseph DALBY Rector John HOLCOMBE NB John CANIFORD made his mark John and Jane KENIFORD ran West Farm Cosheston and both were buried in 1912 John aged 76 on 10 November 1912 Jane aged 65 on 9 October 1912 Bye for now Joy

Thanks Tony---I did visit the farm this time last year---arrived unannounced and soaking wet after a fruitless search in an over grown cemetry!! Well not quite the farm but the home of the parents of the new owners This family history stuff makes one shameless!! The man of the house did refer to 2 old ruins which seem to match what I know about Newton East in 1841/51 Best wishes Ann in Aber

Dear Simon, From one who knows how difficult long-distance research can be! The 1813-37 Pembrokeshire marriage records reveal that a John Kenniford married Mary Thomas of Carew at Pembroke St. Mary on 22.10.1827 and a William Kenniford of St. Mary Pemb. married Elizabeth Davies at Pembroke St. Michael on 07.10.1827. I looked at the pre-1813 Cosheston marriage records but could not find the Kenniford name at all in Castlemartin Hundred. Then I looked at the Wills and found that a William Kenniford of Pembroke. Pemb's will was proved in 1843 (unfortunately I don't have the National Library's required SD number), but it was the only Kenniford will listed. This started me thinking that William may have died a comparatively young man....until I stumbled on the marriage of a William Kenniford in 1791 at Jeffreston to Elizabeth Rogers and it is possibly his Will. Hopefully Listers with earlier census material than yours will be able to fill in the gaps for you. Using the information I've now sent (if it looks like connecting to your George), you could purchase the parish register entries for the marriages (witness names often give clues) and a Will abstract from Haverfordwest Records Office (who are on the internet, see Gareth's Help Pages). The Records Office can provide you with the St. David's Probate Index requisite will number (if you ask) and a full copy of the will could then be purchased from The National Library at Aberystwyth, if required. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. PS. Can't find the name Hagyn....a Mary Hague married at Cosheston in 1807 but the indexed records are divided into sexes and don't show the marriage partners. The entry would probably have to be identified by the RO. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Phillips" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: RE: [WLS-PEM] Surname KENNIFORD, Cosheston, 1818 - 1908 > I am researching the name KENNIFORD, which I have seen many different > variant spellings of, including KENIFORD, HUNNIFORD, RENNIFORD, > REINFORD, KENNAFORD, KENNEFORD, KINFORD to name but a few. > > My great grandmother was Esther Orena KENNIFORD born in Kidderminster in > 1879 to her parents John KENNIFORD and Orena Harrison ROGERS. Esther > married Francis TANNER in 1908. > > Esther's father John was born in Cosheston, Pembrokeshire in 1854 to his > parents George KENNIFORD and Ellen HAGYN. > > The 1871 census records the following information about George's family: > > No of Schedule: 9 > Road, street name etc: Village > Civil Parish: Cosheston > RG10/5512 > > George KENNIFORD Head Mar 52 Mason Cosheston Pembrokeshire > Ellen KENNIFORD Wife Mar 42 Mason's Wife Liverpool Lancashire > Joshua KENNIFORD Son Unm 18 Ship Carpenter Apprentice > Cosheston > John KENNIFORD Son Unm 16 Tailor Apprentice Cosheston > Lewis KENNIFORD Son Unm 13 Scholar Cosheston > Jane KENNIFORD Daur Unm 10 Scholar Cosheston > Sarah KENNIFORD Daur Unm 7 Scholar Cosheston > Charlotte KENNIFORD Daur Unm 4 Scholar Cosheston > > There are some 10 houses attributed to "Village" in the 1871 census and > one other of those has a Kenniford family who must be related to this > one. They were John, wife Jane and children Herbert, Lucy and Letitia. > > I have the 1881 census and 1891 census details for most of this family > as they left the "Village" plus other details about John's family which > I would be willing to share from Free BMD, LDS, 1901 Census, Ancestry > etc. There are also some other surnames connected to this family, eg, > George's daughter Sarah married William PURSER, and Jane or perhaps an > older sister appears to marry a HARRIES (granddaughter of that name with > George in 1891 census, whilst Charlotte may have married Henry SEARLE. > > If someone has any connections or can provide any additional information > about this family I would love to hear from them. I would be interested > to know where George may have worked (from later information I know he > was a Stone Mason). I also know from a general search that there are > still KENNIFORDS in Cosheston as I have seen details of a marriage in > August 2003. > > Would SKS be able to look at either the 1851 or 1861 census for this > family as I am sure they would be living at the same address and also > because I have a feeling that there were older children than Joshua. > Since both George and Ellen were born prior to 1837 it is very difficult > for me to go any further as I am pretty much restricted to internet > research from my home here in Munich. I would be able to reciprocate > with look ups on Ancestry including 1871 and 1891. > > Many thanks for taking the trouble to read this far and for any help or > information that may be provided. > > Regards > Simon Phillips > > > ==== WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Pembrokeshire Archives > email [email protected] > >

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