Lesley <bonzasheila@hotmail.com> wrote: I have been able to find my gg grandmother, Elizabeth Davies alive and a widow in the 1891 census. She was still on the property, "Twrgwyn" . In the 1891 census, the farm was now being managed by her son-in-law, James T James. When I started looking in the 1881 census, I found I was unable to be 100% certain if Elizabeth and her husband David Davies were in the area. I guess in my naivety, I thought the dwelling in the 1881 census would show as "Twrgwyn", but for the life of me, I cannot find it. I know this couple had a farm, as in a journal written by my g grandfather (John Davies their son) between 1865-1866, he wrote "...Let me know all the news of what is happening at home and what prices the cattle are fetching and also how the crops are shaping..." The journal which was translated by a descendant also includes..."John Davies returned once to Wales in the 1880's, and met his father and mother once again, for the last time..." The latter, leads me the think if John did visit his parents in the 1880's then it would be highly likely both were alive in the 1881 census. ============================ Dear Lesley, Are you sure the son-in-law's name was James JAMES? The only James JAMES in Troedyraur at the time of the 1881 census was just nine years old. The 1881 census shows that Twrgwyn, Troedyraur was occupied by 48-year-old James GRIFFITHS and his family, James was born in Llangranog, CGN and is said to be farming 23 acres. His wife Elizabeth was 38 and from Penbryn, CGN. From the ages and birthplaces of their children, it appears the GRIFFITHS family moved from Llandysiliogogo to Troedyraur about 1875/76. The Twrgwyn entry is extracted from FHL Film 1342308 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5433 Folio 60 Page 15. However, the 1881 census includes two other properties called Twrgwyn in Cardiganshire. One of is in Llandysiliogogo. This Twrgwyn is a 145-acre farm occupied by 56-year-old John DAVIES and his family. John was from Llandysilio, CGN and his wife Mary was from Llangranog, CGN. Source: FHL Film 1342310 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5441 Folio 31 Page 2 The other Cardiganshire Twrgwyn listed in the 1881 census is a 35-acre farm in Nantcwnlle and was occupied by 28-year old John OWEN and his family. John was from Llanilar, CGN and his wife Anne was from Llanbadarn Trefeglwys, CGN. Source: FHL Film 1342312 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5451 Folio 96 Page 11 There are several widows named Elizabeth Davies living in Troedyraur at the time of the 1881 census. As you haven't quoted her year of birth, I cannot suggest which of them (if any) could be yours. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/2003