Valerie, As the birth years you've quoted for Sarah (1813 or 1816) and Thomas (1824) pre-date civil registration, you will not be able to obtain birth *certificates* for either of them, only their baptism entries, if you can find them in the indicated parish church or nonconformist chapel of the area, but these will not (unless they're christened in a Calvinistic Methodist chapel) include the mothers' maiden names -- if you're lucky, the abode will help identify the right baptism but they didn't always include the abode in the entry. Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Moore" <val.moore1@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Williams Llandysul > Julie Preston reminded me that I had not given enough details, of my Williams. Yet another Senior Moment! > > On the 1841 census > Hannah Williams aged 60 Inn Keeper not born in county > Mary " 30 > Margaret 28 > Hannah 15 > Evan Jones 1 year all born LLandysul > > 1851 > Hannah Williams wid 68 Inn Keeper not born in county > Margaret Jones wid 40 > Hannah Jones mar 28 Shopkeepers wife > David Williams son 24 Inn Servant > Evan Jones Grandson 13 scholar > Evan Jones " 1year > > Evan Williams died 1837 aged 72 born approx 1765 > Hanna " died 1861 aged 83 " " 1778 > > When Hannah died, in attendance was a John Jones and she died at Penybent. ? a shop > > Sarah Williams their daughter married in Llandysul 1840 > have cert for this. Her husband Thomas Jenkins was an excise office in Tregaron, and he was found drowned in 1850 > she then moved back to Llandysul with her two sons and lived at 9 Lincoln St. I know what happened to these. > > As she gave her birth date as 1813 on one census and 1816 > on another, I have been unable to find her certificate and therefore find her mothers surname. > David Williams in 1881 could have been at the Red Lion LLandysul, and had a family there, giving his birth as 1824 > a birth cert would again prove his parents. > There is a David Wms b 1824 Horeb, Parents Evan Williams and Anna Evans. > could this be Hannah? > > I have found two marriages Evan Wms m Hannah Jones 1813 Penderyn > Evan Wms m Anne Jones 1811 LLanbadamfawr. > > There are some Evan Jones on the 1901 census which could be my lot, but you can make anything fit, and it is not necessarily correct. > I am sure there must be some descendant still about, but with names like these!!!!! > Sorry this is so long winded. The key has to be Sarah & Davids birth. > I hope someone else is researching these, it would be nice to have a fellow researcher. > > Valerie > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm >