Andrew Wallace asked me for the information I had on the Herbert line. I'm including it on the list to help others. Thomas Herbert of Gogoyan, Pensingrig and Pantycefn, Llanddewi Brefi (LDB) was bapt 1766-1770 in Llanarth. He was bur 12 Mar 1861. He was a direct descendant of Morgan Herbert of Rhiwbren, Llanarth. (My cousin had difficulty in finding Thomas in the family until he realized that he was born 5 years earlier than he thought.) Thomas married Margaret Edwards, dau of David Edwards of Mynydd, LDB, 31 Dec 1802 by banns LDB Church. She was bapt 22 Dec 1779 and bur 1853 on Cefnbedd Farm. They had children: David 1805-1830 Catherine 1807 Thomas 1809-1878 (see below) Owen 1812 John 1814 may have married Anne Jones of Goytre, Nantcwnlle 24 Jun 1842. Elziabeth 1816 married Evan Jones Tynllwyn 1849 Margaret 1821-1905 m. David Jones (my cousin's family) Morgan c1821 Thomas Herbert of Cefnbedd was a hosier born 1809 died 1878. His wife was Elinor Lloyd 1809-1895. She is buried with her husband in the LDB Graveyard although her name is not on the stone. This was verified a number of years ago by Vicar Williams. They had three children: David 1837-1894, a tailor, died in Mountain Ash, GLA Margaret 1841 - she married Henry Jones. Died young. William Lloyd 1842-1893 died in Mountain Ash, GLA. A grocer. All the children had issue. Elinor Lloyd was my great-grandfather's older sister. As a child, I was told by my father, his brothers, and other family members that we were related to someone who was horsebackriding instructor to the Royal Family of England. That's the Earl of Pembroke. My cousin, just before he died, wrote me to tell me that he had proven that he was related to the Earl of Pembroke thru the Morgan Herbert and so was I, since my cousin and I were third cousins on one side and ended up second cousins on another. Andrew, did you once live in Sweden? I corresponded with someone a couple of years ago who lived in Sweden. Just curious. Hope I have helped you. Annie .