Dear Elsie (and Listers), I wish to add the following to my previous message about "Llanvechan" and "Llangothen": Llanfechan ("Llanvechan") is also a property (probably a farm) located at grid reference SN516455, one mile northwest of Llanybydder. Llanybydder is in Carmarthenshire, but Llanfechan (farm) is north of the river Teifi and is therefore in Cardiganshire (in the parish of Llanwenog). The LDS 1881 census transcript includes only one reference to "Llangothen", as the birthplace (in Cardiganshire) of 42-year-old Margret [sic] Jones, wife of Stephen Jones, then living at Dowlais Top, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan. The same source also includes a single reference to "Llangothan", as the birthplace (in Carmarthenshire) of 71-year-old widow Caroline Jones, then living in Middle Taff Street, Merthyr Tydfil. Rather than my previous suggestion (Llangollen, DEN) I suspect that both of these occurrences in the 1881 census are references to Llangathen, a village and parish in the county of Carmarthenshire (grid reference SN584222) situated about 3 miles west of Llandeilo. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/2003