Andrew Wallace <andrew.wallace@telia.com> wrote: I am researching a branch of HERBERTs. My line goes back to John HERBERT who married Margaret THOMAS in Llanerchaeron, 3 July 1799 and had a number of children in Llannerch Aeron and Cilian Aeron. I also think that he is the same John HERBERT who married a Mary and had children in Cilian Aeron in the 1790s. I also think that this is the same John HERBERT who died in Cwmcastell, Llanarth bef. 14 January 1842. ================ Dear Andrew, There are a few inconsistencies and errors in your spellings of place-names. These probably originate from the sources from which you have extracted your information. 1. "Llanerchaeron" is a misspelling of Llannerch Aeron. Llannerch Aeron is a parish, part of which is in the hundred of Troedyraur and part in the hundred of Llan. 2. "Cilian Aeron" is a misspelling of Ciliau Aeron, probably the result of a misreading of difficult handwriting. Part of the parish of Ciliau Aeron is in the hundred of Troedyraur and part in the hundred of Llan. As I expect you are aware, the Herbert family has strong links with Tretower Court near Crickhowell, Breconshire. Sir William Herbert (created Earl of Pembroke in 1468) was the son of Sir William ap Thomas who had bought Tretower in the 1420s from James Berkeley (Lord Berkeley). William Herbert made a gift of Tretower to his elder half-brother Roger Vaughan circa 1450. Sources: 1. "A Gazetteer of Welsh Place-Names" by Elwyn Davies, third edition published 1967 by University of Wales Press, Cardiff. ISBN 0-7083-1038-9 2. "Historic Parishes of England & Wales" by Roger J. P. Kain and Richard R. Oliver, published 2001 by History Data Service, University of Essex, Colchester. ISBN 0-9540032-0-9 3. "Tretower Court and Castle" by C. A. Ralegh Radford, third edition revised and edited by David M. Robinson, pubished 1986 by Cadw: Welsh Historic Monuments, Cardiff. ISBN 0-948329-11-4. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/2003
John, Thanks for your email <<There are a few inconsistencies and errors in your spellings of place-names. These probably originate from the sources from which you have extracted your information.>> Yes, I tend to leave spelling of place names and surnames as I find them, even if it is obvious that they are incorrect. The main reason for doing this is that it reflects something of the times the people lived in. However, in this case the place names are spelt as they were given to me by a research who lives in Cardiganshire! ? <<As I expect you are aware, the Herbert family has strong links with Tretower Court near Crickhowell, Breconshire. Sir William Herbert (created Earl of Pembroke in 1468) was the son of Sir William ap Thomas >> Yes, and if the line that I am chasing goes the way that I think it is going then it should go back to a brother of the first Earl. Have a good Yuletide and New Year. Andrew John Ball wrote: >Andrew Wallace <andrew.wallace@telia.com> wrote: >I am researching a branch of HERBERTs. My line goes back to John HERBERT who >married Margaret THOMAS in Llanerchaeron, 3 July 1799 and had a number of >children in Llannerch Aeron and Cilian Aeron. I also think that he is the >same John HERBERT who married a Mary and had children in Cilian Aeron in the >1790s. I also think that this is the same John HERBERT who died in >Cwmcastell, Llanarth bef. 14 January 1842. >================ > >Dear Andrew, > >There are a few inconsistencies and errors in your spellings of place-names. >These probably originate from the sources from which you have extracted your >information. > >1. "Llanerchaeron" is a misspelling of Llannerch Aeron. Llannerch Aeron is a >parish, part of which is in the hundred of Troedyraur and part in the >hundred of Llan. >2. "Cilian Aeron" is a misspelling of Ciliau Aeron, probably the result of a >misreading of difficult handwriting. Part of the parish of Ciliau Aeron is >in the hundred of Troedyraur and part in the hundred of Llan. > >As I expect you are aware, the Herbert family has strong links with Tretower >Court near Crickhowell, Breconshire. Sir William Herbert (created Earl of >Pembroke in 1468) was the son of Sir William ap Thomas who had bought >Tretower in the 1420s from James Berkeley (Lord Berkeley). >William Herbert made a gift of Tretower to his elder half-brother Roger >Vaughan circa 1450. > >Sources: >1. "A Gazetteer of Welsh Place-Names" by Elwyn Davies, third edition >published 1967 by University of Wales Press, Cardiff. ISBN 0-7083-1038-9 >2. "Historic Parishes of England & Wales" by Roger J. P. Kain and Richard R. >Oliver, published 2001 by History Data Service, University of Essex, >Colchester. ISBN 0-9540032-0-9 >3. "Tretower Court and Castle" by C. A. Ralegh Radford, third edition >revised and edited by David M. Robinson, pubished 1986 by Cadw: Welsh >Historic Monuments, Cardiff. ISBN 0-948329-11-4. > >Kind regards, > >John >---------------------------- >John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK >E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk >Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ >Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/2003 > > > >