In a message dated 8/25/03 2:02:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Hi: I'm very doubtful that Cerman is Cellan as I do research there and I have never seen it spelled that way. I'm more apt to think that it is Cenarth or possibly Cemais Hundred in PEM which isn't far from Penboyr. The county boundaries in that area are very tricky. Annie > Would appreciate ideas as to what these two unreadable CGN placenames > (from censuses) really are: > > "Penboyr" > > "Cernan" > >