Julie and John, thanks for the ideas. The reference to CGN "Penboyr" was from the 1851 Mon census for Nantyglo/Blaina (HO107/2447/folio 395 Blaina). On the 1881 census, the birthplace was also stated as Cardigan, but without a town mentioned. The family is on both the 1861(3997 117 28 Blaina) and 1871 (5318 27 47 Cwmtillery West) as well, but I just have the index info for those.) If anyone has access to the actual census images to see in person what is written there for the birthplace, the head of this household was George SMITH, born in the early 1820s (age given as 30 in 1851), Frome, Somerset. The person in question was his wife, Rachel, who, in 1851, was 4 years older (age given as 34), but who , according to the rest of the censuses, was about 8 years older. The other unreadable birthplace, "Cernan" was from the same 1851 census (HO107/2447/Folio 340 Clyn Mawr) for Magdalin JONES, 51, wife of John JONES, 70, farmer of 30 acres, born Aberystruth. "Cellan" is a possibility. I noticed another possibility as well, earlier today, "Cenarth" which is SE from Cardigan city on a modern map. Jojo --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals