Carol I presume you've seen the Llangynfelyn (Llancynfelin) site? http://www.llangynfelyn.org/hafan.html Frongoch is in the village of Tre'r ddol, parish of Llangynfelyn, north Ceredigion. That was my grandfather's home and had been his grandfather's home from the early 1800s. The transcription there for the 1881 census for Frongoch shows several families living there, including: 3, 82W Frongoch, Trerddol 1William Thomas Head M71 Farmer of 28 acres Cards, Llancynfelin  4, Elizabeth Thomas Wife M 51 Cards, Llancynfelin 5, John Thomas Son U 27 Farmers Son Cards, Llancynfelin 6 Mary Anne Thomas Daur U 23 Farmers Daughter Cards, Llancynfelin 7 William Morris Serv 17 General Farm Servant (Ind) Salop, Ludlow 8 83 Frongoch, Trerddol 1 John Nichols Head M 34 House Painter Gloucs, North Nibley 9 Ann Nichols Wife M 30 House painters wife Cards, Llancynfelin 10 Anney Nichols Daur 8 Scholar Cards, Llancynfelin 11 Kate Nichols Daur 7 Scholar Cards, Llanbadarnfawr 12 Thomas S Nichols Son 5 Scholar Cards, Llanbadarnfawr 13 David Nichols Son 3 Cards, Llanbadarnfawr 14 Rebecca Nichols Daur 1 Cards, Llancynfelin John Thomas was my great grandfather. There's a photo of old Frongoch (and 'new' Frongoch) on the site. The old place was largely demolished in about 1926 when John Thomas died and my great grandmother had the place rebuilt. My mother inherited it and sold it out of the family in 1968. Tynywern is just a short way up the road towards Machynlleth, at the northern end of Tre'r ddol. The records on the site also show that on 2 Dec 1879, John Nichols, painter, had his daughter Rebecca vaccinated. The Nichol(l)s don't seem to be at Frongoch or Tynywern in the 1891 or 1901 census. The family obviously moved around, having apparently lived at Llanbadarn Fawr, just on the western outskirts of Aberystwyth for a few years in the late 1870s (from the birthplaces of several children). There is a Griffith Jones, pauper, mentioned twice on the site (born about 1870, probably the same child) with an elder sister Elizabeth, 3 years older. Does not look like a match for yours. But the name is hardly likely to be unique! David Canberra > Hello list , > I hope i'm in the right place . After years of looking for my husbands > grandfather David Nicholls Jones , we managed to find his birth and the cert > said > he was born at Tynywern , Llancynfelin Rd ? on 18th September 1897 . He was > the son of Griffith Jones and Annie (nee Nicholls) . I have now found Annie > Nicholls in the 1881 below > > 1881 Census > > > Dwelling: Frongoch Trerddol > Census Place: Llancynfelin, Cardigan, Wales > Source: FHL Film 1342311 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5447 Folio 109 > Page 16 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > John NICHOLS M 34 M North Nibley, Gloucester, England > Rel: Head > Occ: House Painter > Ann NICHOLS M 30 F Llancynfelin, Cardigan, Wales > Rel: Wife > Occ: House Painters Wife > Anney NICHOLS 8 F Llancynfelin, Cardigan, Wales > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Kate NICHOLS 7 F Llanbadarnfawr, Cardigan, Wales > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Thomas S. NICHOLS 5 M Llanbadarnfawr, Cardigan, Wales > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > David NICHOLS 3 M Llanbadarnfawr, Cardigan, Wales > Rel: Son > Rebecca NICHOLS 1 F Llancynfelin, Cardigan, Wales > > Rel: Daur > > ________________________ > > But the only matching Griffith Jones I can find appears to be in the > Workhouse . Griff Jones was born about 1867-70 . I dont know who his parents > were . > > Griff and Annie were married in 1892 in Pontypridd district . > The 1901 census of Llest , Garw Valley , Glamorgan shows them living there > with four children plus what appears to be a sister of Griffith Jones > ...........Maggie Job , married , age 20 , born Cwmavon , Glamorgan . > > Questions..... Does anyone have any connection to Nicholls or any records > of them ? Secondly ........Would Griffith Jones have been in the Workhouse if > his parents were alive (just wondering how he had a sister born c1881 ) Have I > got the wrong one ? > > Regards > Carol Jones > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gareth's Help Page > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >