Hi Listers, I am new to the list and have recently received family tree information. I hope to be able to find some connections to fill in the blanks. My ancestors were David DAVIES and his wife, Elizabeth EVANS. Apparently, David "...farmed Twygwyn Farm, it having come to him through is wife...." To begin with, I am sadly lacking in any geographical knowledge of the above area and would appreciate some guidance. The farm was passed onto one of the daughters, Achsah Louisa Davies who married Albert CROAD. The children of David and Elizabeth Davies were: John m Isabella CALDER in NSW Australia Elizabeth m Robert WILLIAMS ? China Margaret m Thomas Howell THOMAS in Wales Hannah m Christopher MURDOCH in Australia Achsah m Albert CROAD in Wales or England Anne m Thomas LLOYD in Wales Owen (twin) m Elizabeth MORGAN in Australia Ellen (twin) m James Thomas JAMES in Wales David m Elizabeth PHILLIPS Evan - no record ** I have checked the IGI for births, but it appears these are not available. Could someone please let me know where I can find BDM's in Wales. Thank you Lesley (Sydney, Australia) _________________________________________________________________ Chat via SMS. Simply send 'CHAT' to 1889918. More info at http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/MoChat.asp?blipid=6800

Dear Lesley, Thanks for writing to me. I have copied our correspondence to the Cardiganshire List so that other list members can learn how the search for your ancestors' farm has progressed. Note that in your original e-mail you used the spelling "Twygwyn", which made no sense in Welsh. You are now using the spelling "Twrgwyn" which *does* make sense (Twrgwyn = white tower). Your reference to Rhydlewis has enabled me to locate the farm you were looking for. It's marked as Twrgwyn on my modern Ordnance Survey Explorer map (sheet 198) at grid reference SN350479 which places it about 600 metres north northeast of the village of Rhydlewis. You can study this area on the smaller scale Ordnance Survey 'Landranger' map (sheet 145) although Twrgwyn Farm is not identified on it my name. You can see the relevant section of the Landranger map at the Streetmaps website www.streetmap.co.uk/ In the search section near the top of the Streetmaps homepage, select the 'Landranger' option and enter SN350479 into the search field. Click the Search button and when the initial streetmap format map appears, change to the more useful Landranger map format by clicking once on the [-] 'zoom out' button at bottom right of the map. Twrgwyn is not identified by name but is the small block immediately left of the tip of the small orange arrow near the centre of the map. A far more detailed map of the area can be obtained by visiting the Ordnance Survey Old Maps website at http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ The 1:10,560-scale map, published in 1891, shows Twrgwyn and the surrounding area. On the website's main page select the "Co-ordinates" option in the search facility (near top left of the page). In the search field enter the co-ordinates 235000,247900 (without any spaces) and click the Search button. When the small map appears, click on the "Enlarged view" button below the map. A highly detailed large map of the area will open in a new window, centred roughly on "Twr-gwyn" farm. You can save this map to your hard disc by clicking on it with your right mouse button and selecting the "Save Picture As..." option in the menu which appears. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonza Sheila" <bonzasheila@hotmail.com> To: <wfha@clara.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: re Davies and Evans Hello John, Thank you so much for all the useful information you sent in your e-mail. I realise it will not be easy tracking the surnames Davies and Evans :-( In the documents I received from a relative, there was a letter enclosed dated, September 1953 written about the ancestors (from a descendant). The author of the letter wrote "... Tyrgwyn Farm, Rhyddlewis, Cardiganshire..." I have already established Rhydlewis was spelt incorrectly, so was not surprised when I read about the word "Tyrgwyn". I will begin expanding my research by checking through the 1881 UK census, then I will check the 1891 census. Once I have narrowed down the 'family' I will then search for more detailed records, based on your suggestions. I believe the children of David and Elizabeth Davies were born in the mid 1840's onward, as my g.grandfather, John Davies (based on his age at death) was born about 1846 and he was the first born child. Thank you once again for your assistance. Kindest regards Lesley _________________________________________________________________ Chat via SMS. Simply send 'CHAT' to 1889918. More info at http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/MoChat.asp?blipid=6800 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23/09/2003

Lesley <bonzasheila@hotmail.com> wrote: I am new to the list and have recently received family tree information. I hope to be able to find some connections to fill in the blanks. My ancestors were David DAVIES and his wife, Elizabeth EVANS. Apparently, David "...farmed Twygwyn Farm, it having come to him through is wife...." To begin with, I am sadly lacking in any geographical knowledge of the above area and would appreciate some guidance. <snip> I have checked the IGI for births, but it appears these are not available. Could someone please let me know where I can find BDM's in Wales. ============== Dear Lesley, Welcome to the Cardiganshire List. The spelling "Twygwyn" is corrupted. The farm name is likely to be Ty Gwyn (= white house) or possibly Twyn Gwyn (white hillock). As you've posted your message on the Cardiganshire List I assume you believe that Ty Gwyn Farm is in the county of Cardiganshire. Unfortunately, Ty Gwyn is a very common name for a farm -- for example, analysis of the 1881 census suggests there could be up to 30 properties named Ty Gwyn (or Tygwyn) in Cardiganshire. You therefore need to narrow down your search by finding out the name of the parish in which your ancestors farmed, perhaps by investigating 19th century census entries, or if your period of interest predates the censuses, possibly wills, property deeds, or other documents kept in the family. The IGI contains very few births because its information comes largely from church registers which record details of baptisms rather than births. Furthermore, the IGI has rather incomplete coverage of Welsh records. The General Register Office (GRO) index of births is a nationwide index of the civil registration records of births, from July 1837 onwards. Unfortunately, as you have not indicated the time period in which you are interested, I do not know whether the civil registration records are relevant to your research. An incomplete transcription of the GRO births (and marriages and deaths) index can be searched on-line at http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ On payment of a fee, you can view facsimile images of the GRO indexes at http://www.1837online.com/ And you can view microfilmed facsimile images of the GRO indexes at many major British city and town libraries, at British County Record Offices, and worldwide at the Family History Centres attached to branches of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon Church). Your problem in using the GRO indexes is that your family names (Davies and Evans) are two of the most common in Wales. There will therefore be many entries for the same names, making it difficult to identify which (if any) is yours. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23/09/2003

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <wfha@clara.co.uk> To: "Jojo Smith" <ojoj2100@yahoo.ca> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-CGN] Unreadable CGN placenames-scan now available Jojo Smith <ojoj2100@yahoo.ca> wrote: I now have a scan of the census page upon which Magdalen Jones appears with the unreadable CGN place name. Who was it who wanted to see the scan, please? The placename is still a mystery to me. Jojo ================= Dear Jojo, I think it may well have been me! We exchanged e-mails about this on 26th August. By all means send me a JPG file of the scanned place-name. Regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23/09/2003

In a message dated 9/28/03 5:01:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Hi: I'll look it up for you but that area of Cardiganshire is "wall to wall" Davies. One of the most common first names or given names in the Davies' families is Evan. I'll get back to you. It may be a couple of days. Annie > X-Message: #5 > Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:00:24 EDT > From: Zacbubba@aol.com > To: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <1a9.1a88f5ba.2ca84378@aol.com> > Subject: [WLS-CGN] Davies > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > My ggrandfather was JOHN JONES B. @ 1827 in Llandyssul. son of Thomas Jones, > > married ANNE DAVIES B. @ 1828 in Llandyssul, daughter of Evan Davies, on > Dec.20, 1848. Jones residence was Prengwyn, Davies residence was > Pencarnicket. > They had a child named Evan Jones, and then came to the US in 1849 as they > had a child in Pittsburgh in Sept. 1849. There is more to the story but I > would like any info on the family and if there is any connection to your > Davies > family. Thank you, Richard J. Huebner Youngstown, Ohio USA. > > ______________________________ > > X-Message

Thanks Gareth. Llandysal and Llanwenog would fit except for the Cwmbach In fount of the name. Did I say thank you ? for your look up exchange and your patience It was Instrumental In my big Breakthrough last week In Llanwenog Cardigan. Found some live ones with pictures & family bible. Thanks again Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <Roots@johngareth.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Ron O'Neill" <roneil@blueyonder.co.uk>; <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-CGN] place Name > Hi Carol > There's a Coedlanaufach and Coedlanau Fawr mentioned in the History of > Llandysul. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Llandysul/LlandysulHistory.html > But from the text of the book Coedlanau Fawr is in adjoining Llanwenog > parish. > > As to Cwmbach, there are several in Gla, at least 1 in CMN but CGN I don't > know. > > Gareth > List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron O'Neill" <roneil@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:06 PM > Subject: [WLS-CGN] place Name > > > > Hallo list ,I am currently researching Davies in Cardigan In a family > > bible I have come across this place it is slightly difficult to read > > but here goes Cwmbach Coedlamaufach ? hope that someone can help Carol > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > National Library of Wales > > http://www.llgc.org.uk/ > > > > > > >

I don't mind having a look JoJo. Would you send it in jpg format please. Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jojo Smith" <ojoj2100@yahoo.ca> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 12:07 AM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Unreadable CGN placenames-scan now available > I now have a scan of the census page upon which Magdalen Jones appears with the unreadable CGN place name. Who was it who wanted to see the scan, please? The placename is still a mystery to me. Jojo > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki CGN > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/ > > >

My ggrandfather was JOHN JONES B. @ 1827 in Llandyssul. son of Thomas Jones, married ANNE DAVIES B. @ 1828 in Llandyssul, daughter of Evan Davies, on Dec.20, 1848. Jones residence was Prengwyn, Davies residence was Pencarnicket. They had a child named Evan Jones, and then came to the US in 1849 as they had a child in Pittsburgh in Sept. 1849. There is more to the story but I would like any info on the family and if there is any connection to your Davies family. Thank you, Richard J. Huebner Youngstown, Ohio USA.

In a message dated 9/27/03 3:01:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Saw your request for the name of Davies on Coedlannau. I have a family named Lloyd of Coedlannau. Llanwenog, who were married into a Davies family. What are your Davies' given names and time period. Annie > : "Ron O'Neill" <roneil@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <05c701c38472$065b70e0$280a2552@user> > Subject: [WLS-CGN] place Name > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="Windows-1252" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hallo list ,I am currently researching Davies in Cardigan In a family > bible I have come across this place it is slightly difficult to read > but here goes Cwmbach Coedlamaufach ? hope that someone can help Carol > >

Hello Carol. My grandfather was a DAVIES, he was born in Llanrhystyd CGN, his name was Richard Morgan DAVIES born 1882, parents were Richard born 1845 and Elizabeth born 1846, his siblings were Mary Ann born 1872, Jane born 1876 she married John PRICE, and Elizabeth born 1879 who married John Richard JENKINS, he was killed in Ferndale pit then she married Evan EDWARDS who became the mayor of the Rhondda in the 1950's. Is there a connection?? Ann Ontario, Canada. GlamFHS#4430 M mamgu@ebtech.net

I now have a scan of the census page upon which Magdalen Jones appears with the unreadable CGN place name. Who was it who wanted to see the scan, please? The placename is still a mystery to me. Jojo --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

Hi Carol There's a Coedlanaufach and Coedlanau Fawr mentioned in the History of Llandysul. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Llandysul/LlandysulHistory.html But from the text of the book Coedlanau Fawr is in adjoining Llanwenog parish. As to Cwmbach, there are several in Gla, at least 1 in CMN but CGN I don't know. Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron O'Neill" <roneil@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:06 PM Subject: [WLS-CGN] place Name > Hallo list ,I am currently researching Davies in Cardigan In a family > bible I have come across this place it is slightly difficult to read > but here goes Cwmbach Coedlamaufach ? hope that someone can help Carol > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > National Library of Wales > http://www.llgc.org.uk/ > > >

Hallo list ,I am currently researching Davies in Cardigan In a family bible I have come across this place it is slightly difficult to read but here goes Cwmbach Coedlamaufach ? hope that someone can help Carol

I have Just discoverer that an ancestor David Cledwyn Davies from Llanwenog Cards won 2 chairs at an Eisteddfod. Where can I find a list of the winners of the chairs ?? Or a book that explains the different classes & what a person had to do to win the chair . Thank You Carol >

Hi there Could I ask for some help in locating the above in any of the Census' prior to the 1881 please. The above is a house/farm/hamlet in/near Lampeter. My great grandmother was living there in 1851, but with whom? - children etc. I have letters (in Welsh) from her to another relation and would like to rule out some possibilities. Strangely enough there is another Undergrove near Llanybuther, seems odd to have two such English sounding places near to each other in Cardiganshire. Many thanks Jenny A

Please don't follow this up onlist but in view of the sheer number of these things I'm getting , and the bogus MS connection, felt I should wave the red flag. Symantec/Norton AV; THREAT: CATEGORY: 3 W32.Swen.A @mm is a mass-mailing worm that also attempts to spread through file-sharing networks, such as KaZaA and IRC, and will attempt to de-activate antivirus and personal firewall programs running on the computer. The worm can arrive as an email attachment. The subject, body, and From: address of the email may vary. Some examples claim to be patches for Microsoft Internet Explorer, or delivery failure notices from qmail. This worm exploits a vulnerability in Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express in an attempt to execute itself when you open or even preview the message. Information and a patch for the vulnerability can be found at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-020.asp Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

An update on my recent plea for help. The Dyfed lists have come up trumps and I have volunteers to sort out CMN and PEM, namely John Ball and Gerry Lewis. I have just finished CGN myself. Brian Wagstaffe has taken on the Vale of Neath parishes in GLA. A very big thank you to all three. Which leaves the bulk of GLA, which I am just starting on today. So, still not too late for last minute bids folks ! Gower/Swansea ? Rhondda ? Maesteg? Cardiff ? Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <Roots@johngareth.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Dyfed" <Dyfed-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "CGN" <WLS-Cardiganshire-L@rootsweb.com>; "PEM" <WLS-Pembrokeshire-L@rootsweb.com>; "Glam" <Glamorgan-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: Genuki - help needed - cross posting > No, I haven't run away, I have been a busy bee on Genuki 'backroom stuff' > :-) > > The upshot of which is that all of 'my' 4 Welsh counties now have links on > *each* (99.9%) > parish page to a parish location sketch map, and also to online maps > provided by Multimap, Streetmap, and Old maps. > The latter is achieved by a clever (someone else) use of the existing > Genuki gazetteer database, which contains entries for towns/villages/places > within a parish > > That's the good news, the bad news is that the current database is based on > OS grid references to the nearest km square. > That's more or less Ok for Multimap/Streetmap but unfortunately doesn't > quite 'hit the spot ' with Oldmap and that is a real problem. > > So, I'm having to go through and convert the OS refs into more exact > locations > (based on 6 numbers). > Using paper maps I have just spent 3 days on CGN off and on, but have only > covered about 25% of the total, so I can see weeks of work stretching ahead > of me, hence this plea for help. > > At the same time I am also checking that I have places in the right parish, > (they aren't all > correct) using the Kain/Oliver Cd set.(I have a spare copy of the latter.) > It is in fact possible to fiddle around and arrive at the exact grid ref > within Old maps > itself online, but that is painfully slow if you aren't on broadband and > doesn't > deal with the 'correct parish' angle anyway. > > Number of entries in current database; > CGN 287 > CMN 379 > PEM 447 > GLA 770 > > If anyone feels able to help me out then please contact me off list. > I could perhaps split counties into smaller units should that be required. > You need to have OS maps for the county of choice, be reasonably familiar > with its parish structure - and able to work independently and diligently. > > Apart from my undying gratitude, your efforts would be permanently recorded > online as a Genuki contributor. > > Thanks > > Gareth > List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > . >

Dear Listers, My friend Gerwyn Williams from Ystradgynlais has just uploaded a new webpage displaying a selection of photographs of the old parish church at Mwnt in Cardiganshire. He also has other webpages of photographs that may be of interest to you, including Cardigan Town and Nevern (PEM). You'll find links to Gerwyn's various pages of photos at the bottom of his homepage at http://home.clara.net/galw/ Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11/09/2003

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron O'Neill" <roneil@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:06 PM Subject: Dyfed Family History Fair > Dyfed F.H.S. are holding their Family History Fair/ Open Day this > Saturday at the Cardigan Secondary School in Gwbert Road, Cardigan, > 10 - 4. Various family history societies are attending as well as some > family history traders, sellers of software, census, books, maps etc.

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