Hi Listers, Before I start on my saga, I would like to take the opportunity to publicly thank John Ball for guiding me through the geographical "haze" of Cardigan, specifically the Rhydlewis and Twrgwyn area. Now for my headache! I have been able to find my gg grandmother, Elizabeth Davies alive and a widow in the 1891 census. She was still on the property, "Twrgwyn" . In the 1891 census, the farm was now being managed by her son-in-law, James T James. When I started looking in the 1881 census, I found I was unable to be 100% certain if Elizabeth and her husband David Davies were in the area. I guess in my naivety, I thought the dwelling in the 1881 census would show as "Twrgwyn", but for the life of me, I cannot find it. I know this couple had a farm, as in a journal written by my g grandfather (John Davies their son) between 1865-1866, he wrote "...Let me know all the news of what is happening at home and what prices the cattle are fetching and also how the crops are shaping..." The journal which was translated by a descendant also includes..."John Davies returned once to Wales in the 1880's, and met his father and mother once again, for the last time..." The latter, leads me the think if John did visit his parents in the 1880's then it would be highly likely both were alive in the 1881 census. The only couple I can find that may be David and Elizabeth Davies in the 1881 census live in a dwelling "Pencwm" in the census district Llanarth. Yet this does not match the census in 1891... dwelling "Twrgwyn" district "Troedyraur" I am lost and confused.......is there anyone who may be able to guide me on the right path??? Thanks Lesley (Sydney, Australia) _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp

Lesley <bonzasheila@hotmail.com> wrote: I have been able to find my gg grandmother, Elizabeth Davies alive and a widow in the 1891 census. She was still on the property, "Twrgwyn" . In the 1891 census, the farm was now being managed by her son-in-law, James T James. When I started looking in the 1881 census, I found I was unable to be 100% certain if Elizabeth and her husband David Davies were in the area. I guess in my naivety, I thought the dwelling in the 1881 census would show as "Twrgwyn", but for the life of me, I cannot find it. I know this couple had a farm, as in a journal written by my g grandfather (John Davies their son) between 1865-1866, he wrote "...Let me know all the news of what is happening at home and what prices the cattle are fetching and also how the crops are shaping..." The journal which was translated by a descendant also includes..."John Davies returned once to Wales in the 1880's, and met his father and mother once again, for the last time..." The latter, leads me the think if John did visit his parents in the 1880's then it would be highly likely both were alive in the 1881 census. ============================ Dear Lesley, Are you sure the son-in-law's name was James JAMES? The only James JAMES in Troedyraur at the time of the 1881 census was just nine years old. The 1881 census shows that Twrgwyn, Troedyraur was occupied by 48-year-old James GRIFFITHS and his family, James was born in Llangranog, CGN and is said to be farming 23 acres. His wife Elizabeth was 38 and from Penbryn, CGN. From the ages and birthplaces of their children, it appears the GRIFFITHS family moved from Llandysiliogogo to Troedyraur about 1875/76. The Twrgwyn entry is extracted from FHL Film 1342308 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5433 Folio 60 Page 15. However, the 1881 census includes two other properties called Twrgwyn in Cardiganshire. One of is in Llandysiliogogo. This Twrgwyn is a 145-acre farm occupied by 56-year-old John DAVIES and his family. John was from Llandysilio, CGN and his wife Mary was from Llangranog, CGN. Source: FHL Film 1342310 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5441 Folio 31 Page 2 The other Cardiganshire Twrgwyn listed in the 1881 census is a 35-acre farm in Nantcwnlle and was occupied by 28-year old John OWEN and his family. John was from Llanilar, CGN and his wife Anne was from Llanbadarn Trefeglwys, CGN. Source: FHL Film 1342312 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5451 Folio 96 Page 11 There are several widows named Elizabeth Davies living in Troedyraur at the time of the 1881 census. As you haven't quoted her year of birth, I cannot suggest which of them (if any) could be yours. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/2003

Gareth Fantastic piece of work! How about: 1859: Religious revival begins in Wales, starting at the village of Tre'r ddol, north Ceredigion. 1909: Mines Eight Hours Act 9 November 1910: Churchill sends troops to the Rhondda following riots at Tonypandy 1913: 439 men die in the mining disaster at Senghenydd David Canberra > This is a blatant piece of self-promotion :-) > > Buried deep within the maze that is my Help Page is a Time Line which leans > towards Welsh events. > Not another genealogy related Time Line I hear you mutter ! > Ah, but this one is different .............. > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPagepearls6.html > > But I've rather run out of steam as far as adding to it is concerned --- so > help me out here, if you have a relevant date that you feel might usefully > be included then please send me the details (a couple of lines will do - no > essays please) > > Gareth > List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > . > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cardiganshire FHS > http://www.cgnfhs.org.uk >

Thanks Julie - you're obviously a sucker for my colour coding :-) BTW, looks like the Dyfed list is down, roostweb's help desk does have a note saying that one of the List 2 servers is out of action, which includes Dyfed unfortunately . Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Preston" <juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net> To: "Gareth" <Roots@johngareth.freeserve.co.uk>; <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com>; "Dyfed List" <DYFED-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Time Line - cross posting > > Gareth, > > You are truly amazing! I'm printing the entire section out now and settling > in for a good read (and to get out of working in the garden today) :-) > > Very best regards, > > Julie > juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gareth" <Roots@johngareth.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 12:29 PM > Subject: [WLS-CGN] Time Line - cross posting

This is a blatant piece of self-promotion :-) Buried deep within the maze that is my Help Page is a Time Line which leans towards Welsh events. Not another genealogy related Time Line I hear you mutter ! Ah, but this one is different .............. http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPagepearls6.html But I've rather run out of steam as far as adding to it is concerned --- so help me out here, if you have a relevant date that you feel might usefully be included then please send me the details (a couple of lines will do - no essays please) Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

I am trying to verify a family story and establish more ancestry information on Daniel Davies thought born Nov 7 1862 in Tregargon Cardigan Wales ?. The family is said to have come from Llannddewibrefi area. Daniel Davies went on to become a vicar in Wrexham, Red Canon of Wales and Bishop of Bangor before he died. Parents may have been Evan Davies and Mary Lloyd. Another legend is that Emily Davies, a force in the founding of Girton College Cambridge, is a distant relative. As Emily was born in 1830, daughter of John Davies and Mary Hopkinson the Emily connection must go back to Daniels father or more probably Grandfather or great grandfather. Is anyone else working on this Davies family, if so can they or anyone else help in establishing the link. Or provide more information on Daniel Davies family and ancestors. Regards and thanks for any suggestions Fred Owen Gig Harbor

I have started a long term programme of extracting material from Kelly's Directory South Wales 1910. Specifically from the cd published by Archive CD Books http://www.archivecdbooks.org/ It won't be a full extraction, the larger places entries are simply far too big ! I'm starting with CGN, the first complete one is for Aberporth, can be seen on http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Aber-porth/Kellys1910.html If anyone who has the Cd, or would buy it, wishes to take part in this challenging project then please contact me direct. Usual terms --- lots of thanks from me, no money, and an honourable mention on Genuki :-) Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Gareth, You are truly amazing! I'm printing the entire section out now and settling in for a good read (and to get out of working in the garden today) :-) Very best regards, Julie juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <Roots@johngareth.freeserve.co.uk> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 12:29 PM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Time Line - cross posting > This is a blatant piece of self-promotion :-) > > Buried deep within the maze that is my Help Page is a Time Line which leans > towards Welsh events. > Not another genealogy related Time Line I hear you mutter ! > Ah, but this one is different .............. > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPagepearls6.html > > But I've rather run out of steam as far as adding to it is concerned --- so > help me out here, if you have a relevant date that you feel might usefully > be included then please send me the details (a couple of lines will do - no > essays please) > > Gareth > List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > . > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cardiganshire FHS > http://www.cgnfhs.org.uk >

'Principal Markets and Fairs in South Wales' http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Fairs.html Copied from Kelly's Directory South Wales 1910, specifically with the publisher's permission from the CD of the same title by Archive CD Books http://www.archivecdbooks.org/ I would like to express my gratitute to Rod Neep who has so kindly allowed me to extract material for Genuki from the Archive CD Books Cds. Of course it would be even better if more books on Wales were added to the ACDB collection, so please do consider whether any out of copyright books you own might be suitable - and contact Rod direct if so. Thanks Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Dewi, There are a few Emily Davies in the 1881 Census that were born 1880 and earlier and living in the surrounding communities to Aberystwyth. Saying that, however, it would be a shot in the dark to fix on any one of them, especially with no date of birth. Have you obtained the marriage certificate for Emily and John Williams, which would provide her father's name and occupation? Also, the 1880-1890 time period is rather large -- can you not get a bit closer to her birth year, possibly from her death certificate, memorial inscription or an obituary? With those details more firm, you'd have little problem sending to the Supt. Registrar's office, Aberystwyth, for a copy of her birth certificate. How do you know she came from around Aberystwyth? Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dewi Evans" <dewi.evans@web.de> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:58 AM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Emily Davies - Aberystwyth > Can anyone help me trace an Emily Davies, from the Aberystwyth area. > She married John Williams from Cwmbach, Glamorgan and their first child was born 1912 / 1913. I assume she would have been born about 1880-1890 in Aberystwyth. She died in Cwmbach. > > thanks > > Dewi > ____________________________________________________________________________ __ > Horoskop, Comics, VIPs, Wetter, Sport und Lotto im WEB.DE Screensaver1.2 > Kostenlos downloaden: http://screensaver.web.de/?mc=021110 > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gareth's Help Page > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >

Can anyone help me trace an Emily Davies, from the Aberystwyth area. She married John Williams from Cwmbach, Glamorgan and their first child was born 1912 / 1913. I assume she would have been born about 1880-1890 in Aberystwyth. She died in Cwmbach. thanks Dewi ______________________________________________________________________________ Horoskop, Comics, VIPs, Wetter, Sport und Lotto im WEB.DE Screensaver1.2 Kostenlos downloaden: http://screensaver.web.de/?mc=021110

Hi, I have a transcription of the 1851 Carlton, West Riding census. For Rose Julia Turner (nee Crompton), aged 30, (assume DoB: 1821 ish) I have place of birth as ?, Cardigan. It looks like Chernys Null, which I know is a) not welsh and b) not a place name. Her children were born in Yorkshire, but her daughter ended her days in Aberystwyth, where I have other family ties. Can anyone help me on this one? Thanks in anticipation Dewi ______________________________________________________________________________ Horoskop, Comics, VIPs, Wetter, Sport und Lotto im WEB.DE Screensaver1.2 Kostenlos downloaden: http://screensaver.web.de/?mc=021110

Hi Sue, You were asking about the location of Clynglas(Clunglas) a couple of months ago - I see that David Rees of Clynglase is mentioned in one of the Morgan Richardson documents deposited at the NLW. I find these NLW schedules invaluable for tracing property links: "1090. 1790, June 9 1. Owen John of the parish of Llangoedmore, farmer, and Samuel John late of the parish of Troedyraur now of the parish of Pembryn, farmer (nephews of Thomas Richard late of Rhydybont, parish of Llanybydder, co. Carmarthen, yeoman) and David Rees of Clynglase, parish of Llanfihangel Ystrad, gent.; 2. John Evans of Nantygelly, parish of Dihewid, gent. LEASE OF POSSESSION of a messuage called Tythyn y Gwndwn parish of Kilieayron, and a messuage called Partywcha o Rhydgrech (being a moiety of Rhydgrech) parish of Llanvihangel Ystrad." Hope this helps you Bill G-J

I'd like to remind listers to make full use of this latest facility on these Genuki parish pages. The links on the pages for CGN, CMN and GLA are now fully functional with the proviso that I have no intention of checking each place link in detail until my broadband connection kicks in next month. There may be the odd place which doesn't hit the spot, or is mis-placed parish wise, please do let me know about it if so. PEM is currently being worked on as far as creating more exact grid refs is concerned. Anyway, use the links to the modern maps on streetmap and multimap as you will, each has its fans. The old-maps links are perhaps most people's ideal, do remember to use the 1 - 5 zoom in/out options which may be partly hidden depending on your screen resolution. Don't forget to try out the other options of Enlarged View (which is great - but be patient), also View a Modern Map, and View Aerial Photo (which is modern naturally !). I could play with it for hours :-) Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Is there anyone with access to the parish records for around 1814/15/16 in Newport,Pembs who would be kind enough to look for the baptism of John Morris or Ann Williams.   They were married to each other in 1837 in Newport parish church and are also on the 1871 & 1861 censuses saying born Newport Pembs with ages which give year of birth around 1815 + - a year or two. The only clue I have as to their parents names is that on the entry of marriage in the parish register is that there was a William Williams as a witness which may have been Ann's father.  The other witness is a Thomas Jenkins. As always your helpis much appreciated Thanks in advance Ann Driscoll

Hello I am looking for my grt grt grandmother . Her name was Margaret Lewis born about 1831 acc to later census's.Her father was Samuel Lewis occ Iron miner. By 1856 she was in Merthyr Tydfil.I have looked on the 1851 census of Merthyr and the family are not there at that time.The census gives her birthplace as Llangoedmore. Does anyone know of this family or could someone please have a look on the census for that area for me. Thanks Gaynor

In a message dated 10/3/03 1:01:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Hi: It seems that every time I make a comment to this list, I get bawled out for doing so. However, if the Cardigan Register Office finds a certificate with the 1869 date, it might be your ancestor. When there are a lot of children in a family, the date of birth of one may be off. I always do a three year search on a birth, marriage or death certificate. Hope I have helped you. Annie > I am trying to confirm his year of birth and during his career as a > mariner > he says he was born 10.10.1870 but Cardigan Register office have no entry > for > that date only one in 1869, and there is nothing on 1837 online for 1870. > >

Annie Lloyd <Cardi2@aol.com> wrote: I was reading John's email when he said Rhydlewis. Are you talking about Twrgwyn Calvinistic Methodist Chapel? It's located in Troedyraur Parish, CGN. My great-grandparents are buried there. I've been there a couple of times. Beautiful old chapel. I don't know anything about a farm but its possible that one was nearby. =============== Dear Annie, Lesley's ancestors David DAVIES and his wife, Elizabeth (née EVANS) "...farmed Twrgwyn Farm". So it's the farm to which she was referring, not the chapel. The nearest chapel, Capel Twrgwyn, is 250 metres south of the farm on the south side of the road (the farm is on the north side of the road). Both the farm and the chapel are in Troedyraur parish. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23/09/2003

In a message dated 10/2/03 12:07:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Hi: I was reading John's email when he said Rhydlewis. Are you talking about Twrgwyn Calvinistic Methodist Chapel? It's located in Troedyraur Parish, CGN. My great-grandparents are buried there. I've been there a couple of times. Beautiful old chapel. I don't know anything about a farm but its possible that one was nearby. Annie > Your reference to Rhydlewis has enabled me to locate the farm you were > looking for. It's marked as Twrgwyn on my modern Ordnance Survey > Explorer map (sheet 198) at grid reference SN350479 which places it > about 600 metres north northeast of the village of Rhydlewis. You can > study this area on the smaller scale Ordnance Survey 'Landranger' map > (sheet 145) although Twrgwyn Farm is not identified on it my name. You > can see the relevant section of the Landranger map at the Streetmaps > website www.streetmap.co.uk/ >

Please could someone look on the 1871 census in Llangoedmore for a family of WILLIAMS to include Samuel aged 1/2yrs, mother Sarah, father either David or John (unsure of this one) He is on the 1881 census aged 11 in Gwachaldug, Verwick, saying born Llangoedmore. sarah was born in Mwnt/Mount. I am trying to confirm his year of birth and during his career as a mariner he says he was born 10.10.1870 but Cardigan Register office have no entry for that date only one in 1869, and there is nothing on 1837 online for 1870. Any information will be much appreciate Many thanks Ann