Thank you John, at long last I know the reason for that wonderful feeling every time we approach the border. John. St Albans ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <wfha@clara.co.uk> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:57 AM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Re: Hostility towards the English? > John Ball <wfha@clara.co.uk> wrote: > I think the attitude of English immigrants towards their Welsh > neighbours...... etc. > ================== > > I must apologise for the annoying typographical errors which crept into > my earlier message on the above topic. > > The corrected version of my message follows: > > I think the attitude of English immigrants towards their Welsh > neighbours is the main reason they are sometimes not accepted. Harping > on about how the English do things better, making jokes or complaining > about the Welsh language, or even worse, treating Wales as if it were > part of England, are guaranteed to cause hostility. We English have only > ourselves to blame if we are not accepted when we move to a foreign > land. > I must say that I have never felt unwelcome in Wales. I have no known > Welsh ancestors, but Wales is my home, and whenever I go away I feel the > 'hiraeth' pulling me back. I no longer think of myself as an English > exile, but rather as an adopted Welshman. > > > Kind regards, > > John > ---------------------------- > John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK > E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk > Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/2003 > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm > > > > > -- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.193 / Virus Database: 260.2.0 - Release Date: 16/10/03 > -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.193 / Virus Database: 260.2.0 - Release Date: 16/10/03

John Ball <wfha@clara.co.uk> wrote: I think the attitude of English immigrants towards their Welsh neighbours...... etc. ================== I must apologise for the annoying typographical errors which crept into my earlier message on the above topic. The corrected version of my message follows: I think the attitude of English immigrants towards their Welsh neighbours is the main reason they are sometimes not accepted. Harping on about how the English do things better, making jokes or complaining about the Welsh language, or even worse, treating Wales as if it were part of England, are guaranteed to cause hostility. We English have only ourselves to blame if we are not accepted when we move to a foreign land. I must say that I have never felt unwelcome in Wales. I have no known Welsh ancestors, but Wales is my home, and whenever I go away I feel the 'hiraeth' pulling me back. I no longer think of myself as an English exile, but rather as an adopted Welshman. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/2003

Annie Lloyd <Cardi2@aol.com> wrote: I presume that he [the Englishman] came to Wales and wasn't treated the way he thought he should have been. Unfortunately, some English are still doing that in Wales - my cousins who live there tell me that. I still remember the Englishman I met in a pub in Cenarth who told he had lived there for 20 years and hoped someday to be accepted. As for George Barrow's book, I recommend that every American-Welsh read that book. ================= As an Englishman who has lived in Wales for nearly 30 years, I feel qualified to comment. I think the attitude of English immigrants towards their Welsh neighbours is the main reason for they are sometimes not accepted. Harping on about how the English do things better, making jokes or complaining about the Welsh language, or even worse, treating Wales as if it were part of England, are guaranteed to cause hostility. We English have only ourselves to blame if we are not accepted when we move to a foreign land. I must say that I have never felt unwelcome in Wales. I thank no known Welsh ancestors, but Wales is my home, and whenever I go away I feel the 'hiraeth' pulling me back. I no longer think of myself as English, but rather as an adopted Welshman. Incidentally, the 19th century book which Annie was recommending is called "Wild Wales" and the author was George Borrow. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/2003

Rod York <MsgtYork@aol.com> wrote: Being very new to Wales genealogy, May I ask: 1. how far back do census records go? 2. How far back are there Birth and Marriage records? =============== Dear Rod, 1. The earliest genealogically useful UK census was in 1841. 2. Birth records (and death records) go back to 1837, when the civil registration of these events began. If you are lucky, church records of baptisms, marriages, and burials may go back to the 16th century (where the parish registers have survived). But the situation differs for different parishes. May I suggest you explore the GENUKI website? GENUKI contains lots of information on research methodology and the nature of the records available for genealogical research in the British Isles. GENUKI is at http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/2003

In a message dated 10/19/03 8:01:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Gareth: I'm not certain I appreciate being considered a "devil" for having (Calvinist) Methodist ancestors but the man in question has a right to his own opinion. I presume that he came to Wales and wasn't treated the way he thought he should have been. Unfortunately, some English are still doing that in Wales - my cousins who live there tell me that. I still remember the Englishman I met in a pub in Cenarth who told he had lived there for 20 years and hoped someday to be accepted. As for George Barrow's book, I recommend that every American-Welsh read that book. Although, Barrow is a bit opinionated, he writes about the countryside and what he saw. On my first trip to Wales in 1989, I had decided against going into North Wales but because I read Barrow's book, I went and saw many of the places that he did and enjoyed myself. I would think it would be must reading. Gareth, if you think the Welsh are prejudiced against or the English are, you should live in the USA - we get it all the time. If you are a native Californian, like me, its worse. I always say, if you don't like it here in California, then go home. Annie > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPagepearls.html#Description > > I'm speechless ! > > >

Being very new to Wales genealogy, May I ask: 1. how far back do census records go? 2. How far back are there Birth and Marriage records? Two fellow listers in Glam were kind enough to find 1841 Glam Census that gave me info on my GGGrandfather DANIEL REES, b. abt 1785 in Llanarth, CGN and his wife MARGARET ? b. abt 1797 in Cwmystwyth, CGN. Their first child was Elizabeth b abt1830 in Aberystwyth, CGN Their Second was DANIEL b. abt1833 in Aberystwyth, CGN Assuming that they were married abt 1829 or 30, is it possible to find marriage records ? is is possible to find birth records of the children?, and where should I look? Any and all assistance will be appreciated. Rod York, AZ, USA

Gareth Hicks <Roots@johngareth.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: Another intriguing snippet from Terry Breverton's book, 'The Welsh Almanac', 2002 ############ 'A small tombstone in Strad Fflur, Strata Florida Abbey reads "The left leg and part of the thigh of Henry Hughes, Cooper, was cut off and interred here, June 18 1756" The rest of Henry emigrated to the USA.' ############ ================ Dear Listers, I have included a photograph of this tombstone on my 'Retrospective Images of Wales' feature on Strata Florida Abbey, last shown on my website in April 2002. The photograph was taken by my friend and fellow lister Julie Preston. The story surrounding the intriguing tombstone inscription is as follows: Many years ago, before the days of anaesthetics and antiseptics, a local man had to have his leg amputated to save his life. He survived the surgery and asked that his amputated leg be buried in the churchyard, in the plot which he himself would occupy when he died. The clergyman agreed to his request. Years later, the man emigrated to America, leaving his leg behind. The leg is still buried in the graveyard, and is marked with a tombstone. You can request the reinstatement of my Retrospective feature on Strata Florida Abbey by visiting my Webpage Archive at http://home.clara.net/wfha/walespic/retro/ Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/2003

Another intriguing snippet from Terry Breverton's book, 'The Welsh Almanac', 2002 ################# 'A small tombstone in Strad Fflur, Strata Florida Abbey reads "The left leg and part of the thigh of Henry Hughes, Cooper, was cut off and interred here, June 18 1756" The rest of Henry emigrated to the USA.' ############ No offence intended should any of Henry's ancestors be reading this. Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

I'm getting several bounces for *big pond* listers, some of whom will be auto unsubbed by the robot --- if there are over 4 of these. I understand big pond are struggling to cope with dramatically increased volumes (caused by spam) If any list appears even quieter than usual to you please check to see if you are still subbed on http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com If you have been so removed you'll have to subscribe yourself again (to the L-request or D-request address) Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPagepearls.html#Description I'm speechless ! Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Hi Noel! I'm not sure if this message got through before but I'll re-send it just in case. Asa I said, I live in Goginan so may be able to help more directly. Best wishes Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Vivash" <mountpleasant@goginan.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: "Noel Horlock" <noel.horlock@btopenworld.com>; <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-CGN] > Hi Noel! > > The answer is 'yes' if by 'Goginen' you mean 'Goginan'. > > At the time the village came under the Aberystwyth Registration District. > The registers are now held at Cardiganshire North which, just to confuse, is > located at Aberystwyth : > > Address: > > Cardiganshire North Registration District > > Swyddfar Sir > Marine Terrace > Aberystwyth > Dyfed > SY23 2DE > Tel +44 (0)1970 633580 > > You may apply in Welsh or English > Gelli'r ateb yn Gymraeg neu Saesneg > > Cheers from Goginan > > Paul > > P.S. If you would like to know more about the village just let me know, > especially if your ancestor was connect with the old mine here. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Noel Horlock" <noel.horlock@btopenworld.com> > To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 12:58 PM > Subject: [WLS-CGN] > > > > Hello, > > Am I subscribed to the correct list to ask for information about a birth > in > > Goginen? > > I am looking for my great grandfather's birth in Goginen in 1844. > > His name was John Kerby. > > If I am correct to which registration district do I need to apply for a > > birth certificate. > > Many thanks > > > > Noel Horlock > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Gareth's Help Page > > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > >

Noel Horlock <noel.horlock@btopenworld.com> wrote: I am looking for details of my gg grandfather who, according to the 1881 Census was born in Goginen in 1844. I haven't yet found him on the BMD fiche but where would I apply for a copy of his birth certificate please? Am I on the correct list for such a query? ============== Dear Noel, Goginan is six miles east of Aberystwyth and is in the township of Melindwr, in the parish of Llanbadarn Fawr, Cardiganshire, so you are indeed on the correct mailing list. You can check which register office holds the necessary records by visiting the relevant page of the GENUKI website. Go to http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/blangston/genuki/reg/ This GENUKI webpage offers a user-friendly listing of Register Offices, classified by county. It gives a very useful breakdown of exactly which villages, etc., were covered by which Register Office at which dates, and also includes the addresses from which Certificates may currently be purchased. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/2003

I thought I'd better follow up my first response with a belated admission that there is indeed a Vainor/Vaenor in CGN. My own CGN Genuki pages, see below, show it as a township in Llanbadarn fawr ! Can anyone help Lyn with some more useful input ? ############# "VAINOR ISA (VAENOR - ISÂV), a township in that part of the parish of LLANBADARN-VAWR. which is in the lower division of the hundred of GENEU'R GLYN county of CARDIGAN, SOUTH WALES, 1 rnile (N. N. E.) from Aberystwith, containing 186 inhabitants. It lies on the sea-coast, and contains several pleasing residences. The Duke of Leeds, as lord of the manor of Vainor, receives five shillings per ton on the coal brought coastwise to Aberystwith, by virtue of a grant made by Charles I. A portion of the township is included within the new boundaries of the contributory borough of Aberystwith. The poor are maintained by a separate assessment, the average annual expenditure amounting to £90.11." "VAINOR UCHA (VAENOR-UCHÂV ), a township in that part of the parish of LLANBADARN-VAWR which is in the lower division of the hundred of GENEU'R GLYN, county of CARDIGAN, SOUTH WALES, 2 miles (E. N. E.) from Aberystwith, containing 384 inhabitants. The northern part of this township is partially wooded, and here are a few large upright stones, standing apart, which are apparently of great antiquity; it is bounded on the south by the river Rheidiol. The poor are maintained by a separate assessment, the average annual expenditure amounting to £ 86.14." ################ Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <Roots@johngareth.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Lyn Nunn" <lnunn@bigpond.net.au>; <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-CGN] Williams of Vaenor > Hi Lyn > Is this not Vaynor/Faenor parish in Breconshire ? > > Gareth > List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lyn Nunn" <lnunn@bigpond.net.au> > To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:44 PM > Subject: [WLS-CGN] Williams of Vaenor > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > New to this list and I am wondering if anyone has information regarding > the > > Williams family of Vaenor. After some months of trying to prove a family > > story that we were descended from Sir Trevor Williams of Llangibby > > Monmouthshire, it seems we are actually descended from the Williams family > > of Vaenor, according to information I have been given from Sir Joseph > > Bradney's A history of Monmouthshire Hundred of Caldicott. I notice in > > Bradneys book The Hundred of Usk, that I have, that Sir Trevor Williams > had > > an Uncle William Williams but his tree is not carried forward so there may > > still be some truth in the story yet. > > > > Any advice would be most appreciated. > > > > regards > > > > Lyn > > in Oz > > > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Cardiganshire FHS > > http://www.cgnfhs.org.uk > > > > > > >

Hello, I am looking for details of my gg grandfather who, according to the 1881 Census was born in Goginen in 1844. I haven't yet found him on the BMD fiche but where would I apply for a copy of his birth certificate please? Am I on the correct list for such a query? Regards, Noel Horlock

Sorry, I didn't realise replies would not go automatically to the list. Hi Gareth Bradney says Cardigan and I found there is/was a Vaenor in Llanbadarn Fawr Parish Cardiganshire using GENUKI. I checked Burkes extinct & dormant Baronetcies and found the Williams of Vaynor Breconshire that you may be thinking of. That family doesn't fit with Bradney's info which has the male line continuing until 1754, Burkes has it extinct about 1693 and apart from William Williams no other names fit. At first I thought the boundaries had changed but on my maps Llanbadarn Fawr is near Aberystwyth so I don't think that can be right but *please* correct me if I am wrong about anything. This is the first part of the tree that I have so far but I am sure there must be more to it. William Williams of Vaenor Cardigan 1st Gen Edward Williams clk, matric Jesus college Oxford 12 Nov 1669 aet 20, vicar of Chepstow & rector of Shirenewton 1680 previously vicar of Mathern; buried at Chepstow 8.12.1692 {Will dated 1693 ref N.L.W LL1693 31 on its way} married Elizabeth 2nd wife. 2nd Gen Edward Williams of All Hallows, London, bap 22.12.1690 Will dated 10.11.1746 {I have PCC Will for a Edward Williams of All Hallows dated 25.2.1752.} married Elizabeth and had an only child named Edward of Serjeants Inn Esq Will dated 15.2.1754 ob 6.2.1759 {I have PCC Will dated 21.2.1759}. married Elizabeth 15.12.1752 d/o Francis Capper of Bushey Herts Esq Elizabeth Ob 4.2.1710 M.I married John Beavan Clk of Shirenewton 1693 ob 6.1.1727 aet 66 M.I Elinor married 16.3.1706 William James of Bristol Anne unmarried Margaret unmarried regards Lyn in Oz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gareth" <Roots@johngareth.freeserve.co.uk> > To: "Lyn Nunn" <lnunn@bigpond.net.au>; <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:59 PM > Subject: Re: [WLS-CGN] Williams of Vaenor > > > > Hi Lyn > > Is this not Vaynor/Faenor parish in Breconshire ? > > > > Gareth > > List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM > > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > > Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > . > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lyn Nunn" <lnunn@bigpond.net.au> > > To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:44 PM > > Subject: [WLS-CGN] Williams of Vaenor > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > New to this list and I am wondering if anyone has information regarding > > the > > > Williams family of Vaenor. After some months of trying to prove a family > > > story that we were descended from Sir Trevor Williams of Llangibby > > > Monmouthshire, it seems we are actually descended from the Williams > family > > > of Vaenor, according to information I have been given from Sir Joseph > > > Bradney's A history of Monmouthshire Hundred of Caldicott. I notice in > > > Bradneys book The Hundred of Usk, that I have, that Sir Trevor Williams > > had > > > an Uncle William Williams but his tree is not carried forward so there > may > > > still be some truth in the story yet. > > > > > > Any advice would be most appreciated. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Lyn > > > in Oz > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > Cardiganshire FHS > > > http://www.cgnfhs.org.uk > > > > > > > > > > > >

An amusing quote from Gwyn Alf Williams' 'Where was Wales'. I got it from 'The Welsh Almanac' by Terry Breverton , 2002 --- which contains masses of similarly interesting quotes/dates/excerpts "There are 54 Joneses in 'The Dictionary of Welsh Biography', but this is a five finger exercise for anyone who has to locate a Jones in an average Welsh telephone directory (hence the familiar Jones the Fish, Jones the Bread, and, in recent times, Jones the Spy). The recent rise of Welsh nationalism has led some people to reverse the process; even the 'ap' is returning. But the most engaging last stand was made in the eighteenth century by a genial bankrupt who signed himself 'Sion ap William ap Sion ap William ap Sion ap Dafydd ap Ithel Fychan ap Cynrig ap Robert ap Iorwerth ap Rhyrid ap Iorwerth ap Madoc ap Ednawain Bendew, called after the English fashion John Jones' ." Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

>From comments on the Listowners' List E & W it might be that some people are incorrectly setting up Mailwasher which could be bouncing list mail as a result. I have therefore taken the opportunity to overhaul the Mailwasher feature within the Computer Tweaks section of my Help Page. http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks1a.html#Mailwasher I'm currently running a trial on Mailwasher Pro, so am not 100% sure that what I have said applies to all versions. If anyone has a significantly different experience (or suggestions) then please let me know so that I might consider amending my site. Thanks Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Hi Lyn Is this not Vaynor/Faenor parish in Breconshire ? Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Nunn" <lnunn@bigpond.net.au> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:44 PM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Williams of Vaenor > Hello everyone, > > New to this list and I am wondering if anyone has information regarding the > Williams family of Vaenor. After some months of trying to prove a family > story that we were descended from Sir Trevor Williams of Llangibby > Monmouthshire, it seems we are actually descended from the Williams family > of Vaenor, according to information I have been given from Sir Joseph > Bradney's A history of Monmouthshire Hundred of Caldicott. I notice in > Bradneys book The Hundred of Usk, that I have, that Sir Trevor Williams had > an Uncle William Williams but his tree is not carried forward so there may > still be some truth in the story yet. > > Any advice would be most appreciated. > > regards > > Lyn > in Oz > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cardiganshire FHS > http://www.cgnfhs.org.uk > > >

Jill only just avoided a message from me saying 'and what about the Dyfed list then ??' :-) But I have to tell you that Dyfed is also on Rootsweb List 2 (server down) and has had no mail since the 8th. Apart from one from me which I only sent last night, which suggests that the server is now 'up' again, I imagine that the 'missing mail' will be released gradually, or not............... Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Muir" <jill@muir.clara.co.uk> To: <GLAMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [GLA] CARMARTHENSHIRE > Listers, > I have been reminded that of course the List that hosts Carmarthenshire List > is 'down' at the moment and no-one seems to know when it will be corrected, > but I am assured that this fault is being worked on. > You could of course use the Dyfed List, which also covers Carmarthen. To > subscribe to the Dyfed List send a message to:- > DYFED-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word 'subscribe' in the body > > Cheers Jill > Joint List Administrator for the Glamorgan Mailing List > See List outline at:- http://www.muir.clara.net/glamorgan > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail > message to: GLAMORGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or > GLAMORGAN-D-request@rootsweb.com(for digest mode) > with only one word in the body: subscribe or: unsubscribe > > > > ==== GLAMORGAN Mailing List ==== > E-mail etiquette pays dividends! Put SURNAMES in the Subject line and CAPITALISE surnames in the text. Other text CAPITALisation = shouting! > Only repeat as much of an earlier message as clarity requires. > > >

Hello everyone, New to this list and I am wondering if anyone has information regarding the Williams family of Vaenor. After some months of trying to prove a family story that we were descended from Sir Trevor Williams of Llangibby Monmouthshire, it seems we are actually descended from the Williams family of Vaenor, according to information I have been given from Sir Joseph Bradney's A history of Monmouthshire Hundred of Caldicott. I notice in Bradneys book The Hundred of Usk, that I have, that Sir Trevor Williams had an Uncle William Williams but his tree is not carried forward so there may still be some truth in the story yet. Any advice would be most appreciated. regards Lyn in Oz