To amuse myself, and relieve the monotony of Kelly's extractions, I have compiled further databases from the map/diagrams in the following most informative little book. An Illustrated History of Cardiganshire By W J Lewis, 1970 a.. Chapter headings b.. Description of Photographs c.. Growth of Non-conformity d.. Houses of the Early Gentry in Tudor times e.. Tai un nos on Mynydd Llanddewibrefi f.. The Middle Ages, names of commotes On Genuki CGN http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/IllustratedCardiganshire.html Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

An Illustrated History of Cardiganshire By W J Lewis, 1970 a.. Chapter headings b.. Description of Photographs c.. Growth of Non-conformity d.. Houses of the Early Gentry in Tudor times e.. Tai un nos on Mynydd Llanddewibrefi f.. The Middle Ages, names of commotes, and explanation, from the book's map/diagram Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Many thanks to all who answered my request for info regarding my gr gr aunts letters, it seems that the grocers is still in Llanybyther opposite the Cross Hands Inn!! Can you please help me further, the address on the letter is simply DOLYRANE or DOLGRANE - presumably the name of a farm/house, if anyone has the 1861 Census for Llanybyther and areas within walking distance! could I ask if you can identify the house and occupants please. Very many thanks Jenny

Plese could someone look on the 1871 census in Verwig for the following family of Williams? I am hoping that Sarah's husband may be at home on census night as Samuel is my g.grandfather, am I am having trouble confirming his father's name. The information is taken from the 1881 census in Gwachaldug, Verwig  <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR_5666776_0&frompage=5">Sarah WILLIAMS</A>   Head   M   Female   32   Mount, Cardigan, Wales   Carpenters Wife      <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR_5666776_1&frompage=5">John G. WILLIAMS</A>   Son   U   Male   13   Mount, Cardigan, Wales   Scholar      <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR_5666776_2&frompage=5">Samuel T. WILLIAMS</A>   Son   U   Male   11   Llangoedmore, Cardigan, Wales   Scholar      <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR_5666776_3&frompage=5">Josiah J. WILLIAMS</A>   Son      Male   9   Verwick, Cardigan, Wales   Scholar      <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR_5666776_4&frompage=5">Sarah A. WILLIAMS</A>   Daur      Female   7   Verwick, Cardigan, Wales   Scholar      <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR_5666776_5&frompage=5">Benjamin J. WILLIAMS</A>   Son   U   Male   3   Verwick, Cardigan, Wales   Scholar      <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1881BR_5666776_6&frompage=5">Thomas S. WILLIAMS</A>   Son  As always, any help is much appreciated Thanks in advance Ann 

Kelly's Directory 1895 Specifically from the cd published by Archive CD Books http://www.archivecdbooks.org/ The following extracts are now up there; http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Llanddeiniol/Kellys1895.html http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/LlanddewiAber-Arth/Kellys1895.html http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Llangynfelyn/Kellys1895.html Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Julie Preston <juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net> wrote: ...the 1881 Census shows no "Cross Hands" in Llanbyther. There are some people on the 1881 Census who've listed "Cross Hands, Carmarthenshire" as their birthplace (most in Glamorganshire). I wonder what "S.M." means. ==================== Dear Julie (and Jenny), The 1881 census shows a Cross Hands in the parish of Llanfihangel-ar-arth (CMN) which is only four miles south-west of Llanybydder (Llanybyther). Perhaps this is a possibility? Cross Hands is also a former mining village on the main A48 road between the towns of Swansea and Carmarthen, but this is nearly 20 miles south of Llanybydder. Jenny says the original letter was in Welsh, so maybe S.M. is an abbreviation of a Welsh language phrase? But regardless of the above, what a wonderful treasure Jenny's great-aunt's letters are. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Preston" <juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-CGN] Llanybyther Jenny, You got my attention! ;-) The only source I have to consult is the 1881 Census which shows no "Cross Hands" in Llanbyther. There is a 55-year-old widow named Eliza Davies who is a "grocer" at Shopfach. This is the only "shop" with a nearby inn -- in 1881 the nearest inn was the Black Lion and the next nearest appears to be the Wheat Sheaf. There are some people on the 1881 Census who've listed "Cross Hands, Carmarthenshire" as their birthplace (most in Glamorganshire). I wonder what "S.M." means. What was your great-aunt's name and how old was she in 1881 (any place-name on the letter for her)? Did she end up marrying this John Davies? There are a couple of John Davies who would be possibilities -- one in the village and another born there and a widower living elsewhere (Glamorganshire, as I recall). It would be nice if someone had the 1861 Census for Llanbyther -- you might consider also posting to the Dyfed list in case someone on that list has the '61. Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 06/11/2003

Christene Doubtless you have seen the several MAGORs of Bow Street, just north of Aber, mentioned here on GENUKI: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Aberystwyth/AberPhotos.html David Canberra > Hi > Just reposting my interest. > Annie Magor married James Crook of Shabbington and my grandfather > george Samuel is bn 1898 Mile End Oldtown (London) > Marriages Mar 1886 > MAGOR William Henry Truro 5c 183 Jan91 > Marriages Jun 1886 > MAGOR William Pontypridd 11a 584 JWhitmore > > Births Sep 1853 > MAGOR Elen Aberystwith 11b 59 Loudas > Births Dec 1862 > MAGOR Thomas Aberystwith 11b 55 GSheehan > Births Mar 1871 > Magor Sarah Anne Aberystwith 11b 74 JRV1933 > Births Jun 1871 > Magor Ellen Aberystwith 11b 75 heyjude > Births Sep 1873 > Magor Samuel Aberystwith 11b 67 23222855 > Magor Sophia Aberystwith 11b 65 23222855 > Births Sep 1875 > Magor Thomas Samuel Aberystwith 11b 73 CRANNERS > Births Mar 1876 > Magor Anne Aberystwyth 11b 77 Patian > Births Sep 188 > Magor Mary Anne Aberystwith 11b 64 Curly Curly > Births Jun 1893 > Magor Thomas Cashmore Aberystwith 11b [56]3 Lillian > Births Sep 1895 > Magor Benjamin Franklin Aberystwith 11b 47 Sullivan > Births Mar 1898 > MAGOR James Garfield Aberystwyth 11b 52 pbgiles > > > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki CGN > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/ >

Hi Just reposting my interest. Annie Magor married James Crook of Shabbington and my grandfather george Samuel is bn 1898 Mile End Oldtown (London) Marriages Mar 1886 MAGOR William Henry Truro 5c 183 Jan91 Marriages Jun 1886 MAGOR William Pontypridd 11a 584 JWhitmore Births Sep 1853 MAGOR Elen Aberystwith 11b 59 Loudas Births Dec 1862 MAGOR Thomas Aberystwith 11b 55 GSheehan Births Mar 1871 Magor Sarah Anne Aberystwith 11b 74 JRV1933 Births Jun 1871 Magor Ellen Aberystwith 11b 75 heyjude Births Sep 1873 Magor Samuel Aberystwith 11b 67 23222855 Magor Sophia Aberystwith 11b 65 23222855 Births Sep 1875 Magor Thomas Samuel Aberystwith 11b 73 CRANNERS Births Mar 1876 Magor Anne Aberystwyth 11b 77 Patian Births Sep 188 Magor Mary Anne Aberystwith 11b 64 Curly Curly Births Jun 1893 Magor Thomas Cashmore Aberystwith 11b [56]3 Lillian Births Sep 1895 Magor Benjamin Franklin Aberystwith 11b 47 Sullivan Births Mar 1898 MAGOR James Garfield Aberystwyth 11b 52 pbgiles

Hi all I have a letter dated January 1861 - it is actually one of five - and I am trying to make sense of the people mentioned. There would seem to be a clandestine meeting being arranged and I believe it to be between John and my grgr aunt! - Part of it is as follows, the village is Llanbyther, I would be grateful for information if anyone recognises the places mentioned. It was origianlly written in Welsh. P.S.Both of us will call at the house [shop] of David Davies, Grocer for something from the Shop as an excuse for seeing if you are there and then we will go across to the Cross Hands. So if we should not meet at D.Davies' you could come brazenly[underlined] to Cross Hands and ask for us. I shall now close this time hoping fervently that I shall see you this coming Saturday - this briefly from your friend and sweetheart. Best Wishes John Davies (S.M.)" Many thanks Jenny A

Jenny, You got my attention! ;-) The only source I have to consult is the 1881 Census which shows no "Cross Hands" in Llanbyther. There is a 55-year-old widow named Eliza Davies who is a "grocer" at Shopfach. This is the only "shop" with a nearby inn -- in 1881 the nearest inn was the Black Lion and the next nearest appears to be the Wheat Sheaf. There are some people on the 1881 Census who've listed "Cross Hands, Carmarthenshire" as their birthplace (most in Glamorganshire). I wonder what "S.M." means. What was your great-aunt's name and how old was she in 1881 (any place-name on the letter for her)? Did she end up marrying this John Davies? There are a couple of John Davies who would be possibilities -- one in the village and another born there and a widower living elsewhere (Glamorganshire, as I recall). It would be nice if someone had the 1861 Census for Llanbyther -- you might consider also posting to the Dyfed list in case someone on that list has the '61. Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Anderton" <jenny@jenmike.freeserve.co.uk> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 5:23 PM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Llanybyther > Hi all > I have a letter dated January 1861 - it is actually one of five - and I am > trying to make sense of the people mentioned. There would seem to be a > clandestine meeting being arranged and I believe it to be between John and > my grgr aunt! - Part of it is as follows, the village is Llanbyther, I would > be grateful for information if anyone recognises the places mentioned. It > was origianlly written in Welsh. > > P.S.Both of us will call at the house [shop] of David Davies, Grocer for > something from the Shop as an excuse for seeing if you are there and then we > will go across to the Cross Hands. So if we should not meet at D.Davies' you > could come brazenly[underlined] to Cross Hands and ask for us. I shall now > close this time hoping fervently that I shall see you this coming Saturday - > this briefly from your friend and sweetheart. > Best Wishes > John Davies (S.M.)" > > Many thanks > Jenny A > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki CGN > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/ >

Kelly's Directory 1895 Specifically from the cd published by Archive CD Books http://www.archivecdbooks.org/ The extracts for these parishes have now been uploaded http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/LlanbadarnOdwyn/Kellys1895.html http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/LlanbadarnTrefeglwys/Kellys1895.html Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Hi Noel I seem to remember responding to a similar query from some time back. Since I live in Goginan,I can confirm that you need the Melindwr district for census purposes. The village fell within the parish of Llanbadarn Fawr. I say fell because St David's Church in Capel Bangor, our neighbouring village, only dates back to 1847. You need, of course, to be aware that any baptism might well have been in one of several non-conformist churches or chapels. I should have thought that the best bet would be to obtain the birth certificate from the address I gave previously - ie Cardiganshire North Registration District Swyddfar Sir Marine Terrace Aberystwyth Dyfed SY23 2DE Tel +44 (0)1970 633580 You could, of course, confirm the Quarter and year of his birth registration by checking the indexes. I notice that in 1881 John KERBY was living in Wingate, Durham and was a coal miner. As I've mentioned before there was an important silver/lead mine in our village in the 19th century so that would explain the mining connection. If you would like further assistance as to the local records you are welcome to contact me. Cheers Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Horlock" <noel.horlock@btopenworld.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:55 AM Subject: [WLS-CGN] > Hello, > I am looking for the birth of John Kerby/Kirby who, according to the 1881 > census, was born in Goginan in 1844. Using the IGI batch numbers for > Cardigan, which town or parish should I try for Goginan which itself isn't > listed in the alphabetical index. > Regards, > Noel Horlock > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > >

Recent list exchanges on one of these lists suggest that it might be timely for me as list administrator to ask listers to continue to treat each other kindly in list exchanges. I have no wish to stifle constructive debate, and by all means feel free to disagree with each other - but preferably without introducing an element of personal criticism, implied or otherwise. In general limit yourselves to one bite of the cherry each on list, after that please do it off list if you really feel that strongly. Bear in mind that I also read list messages (although not necessarily in your time zone) and will take any action I feel appropriate, on or off list. As a further reminder, personal opinions on religious or political matters are taboo. At present it would be as well to include the British Royal family in that I think. Thanks Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Noel Horlock <noel.horlock@btopenworld.com> wrote: I am looking for the birth of John Kerby/Kirby who, according to the 1881 census, was born in Goginan in 1844. Using the IGI batch numbers for Cardigan, which town or parish should I try for Goginan which itself isn't listed in the alphabetical index. ================ Dear Noel, According to Kain and Oliver (2001), Goginan is in the township of Melindwr in the parish of Llanbadarn Fawr, Cardiganshire. Source: "Historic Parishes of England & Wales" by Roger J. P. Kain, and Richard R. Oliver, published 2001 by History Data Service, University of Essex, Colchester; ISBN 0-9540032-0-9. I hope this helps, but the IGI can only tell you the baptism date rather than birthdate of your ancestor. For birth details you need to obtain a copy of the birth certificate from the register office in Aberystwyth: Swyddfar Sir Marine Terrace Aberystwyth SY23 2DE United Kingdom Tel +44 (0)1970 633580 Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 06/11/2003

Hello, I am looking for the birth of John Kerby/Kirby who, according to the 1881 census, was born in Goginan in 1844. Using the IGI batch numbers for Cardigan, which town or parish should I try for Goginan which itself isn't listed in the alphabetical index. Regards, Noel Horlock

Kelly's Directory 1895 Specifically from the cd published by Archive CD Books http://www.archivecdbooks.org/ I have now uploaded the extracts for Llanbadarn Fawr parish in CGN. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/LlanbadarnFawr/Kellys1895.html Phew, that one slowed me down a bit ! Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

St Peter's Church, Lampeter A database of names etc from headstones in the churchyard. This is now on the Genuki pages for Lampeter http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Lampeter/Burials.html This data was recorded by a group of second year students, organised by Steve Thomas, as part of their degree course studying Archaeology at University College of Wales Lampeter. Many thanks to you and your fellow students Steve, a very worthwhile exercise. PS - Steve tells me that there is a piece in the Cambrian News about it today. Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

GENUKI: The UK & Ireland Genealogical Information Service Some 5 years ago, I am on record as suggesting onlist that Genuki was something of a maze to navigate --- needing a route map on my Help Page, which didn't please the local Genuki maintainer at the time ! But since then, poacher turned gamekeeper, I have got heavily involved in Genuki myself. It was therefore a sort of natural justice when someone this week politely suggested much the same thing about Genuki to me :-) So, a simple tour of Genuki Wales then. Think of it as pyramid shape, the main Wales page on top. | >From the Wales page, link below my name, there are downward links to a set of pages for each Welsh county. | | | Each county has a main page, and if you click on the Towns & Parishes link at the top of each one you will go to a list of the parishes in that county, each parish name being a direct link to that parish page. | | | | | The parish page is the main building block, on there you'll find data in a standard format, with links to other sites of interest. But Wales is only one part of Genuki [the most important of course], go up one level from the Wales page and you can go back down similar pyramids for the other areas of the UK & I. And also from there are links to a wealth of general genealogy data pages. You may sometimes feel 'lost in the wilderness' after clicking link after link, but if you have the Genuki Wales page prominent in your browser's Favourites list you will always have a quick route home ! Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Kelly's Directory 1895 Specifically from the cd published by Archive CD Books http://www.archivecdbooks.org/ I have now uploaded the extracts for Gwnnws parish and Llannarth parish in CGN. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Gwnnws/Kellys1895.html http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Llannarth/Kellys1895.html Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Thanks for sharing with us Gwyn, always good to hear about success stories. Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwyn Williams" <gwynwilliams1@lineone.net> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 7:51 PM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Re Tangoyallt > A couple of months ago I knew nothing about the family of my grgrandmother Elizabeth Williams of Tangoyallt, Llanddewi Brefi, apart from her parents names and her address. > > I posted a query to this list and received two replies, one from Annie in Los Angeles and another from a Liz Thomas in Weston-Super-Mare. Both had family connections to Tangoyallt and Liz turned out to be a third cousin of mine. > > Annie was also able to put me in touch with my father's second cousin who had very detailed info of the family, and I was able to help him with his missing links. > > It has now become a team effort, and the results are better than I ever could have dreamed of. And all because of the unique name of the dwelling, Tangoyallt. > > It shows the value of joining a mailing list such as this. > > Regards, > Gwyn Williams > (Mid-Glam) > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ > > >