Dear Peter & Jean, Please accept my most humble apologies for my last reply -- I must've scrolled up on my incoming email list and thought this was posted again today!!! Ooops!!! Sorry, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter G Williams" <williamshenblas@hotmail.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:03 AM Subject: RE: [WLS-CGN] Lloyd Family > Dear Jean > > I have details of a marriage between a William Lloyd, born 1858, and a Mary > Ann Morris, born 1854? > > They married 9 Aug 1883 at St Peter's Church, Aberdyfi. Their eldest son is > John Morris Lloyd. > > They did not go to live in Borth until some date after 1901. > > If you care to contact me off list I can tell you a little more. > > Peter G Williams > Bedfordshire, UK > > >From: "Jean Marsh" <peachie_pie@talk21.com> > >To: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [WLS-CGN] Lloyd Family > >Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:31:59 -0000 > > > >Hello List > >Please will you tell me if this is the correct list for the Aberystwyth > >area. > >I am looking for the marriage of William Lloyd born 1854 and Mary Ann > >Morris > >born 1858. Apparently they lived in a place called Borth near Aberystwyth. > > > >I am told that they were probably married in St Matthews Church, Borth > >which > >I believe is a Methodist Church. > > > >Their first son John was born in 1887. > > > >I have searched the 1837online site from 1874 to 1887 and cannot find any > >matching pairs from Aberystwyth. > > > >Has anyone any ideas? > > > >Many thanks > > > >Jean > > > > > > > >==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >Rootsweb list archives[ threaded] > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLS-Cardiganshire-L/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > National Library of Wales > http://www.llgc.org.uk/ >

Peter and Jean, Am I experiencing 'deja vu' or didn't you already have this exchange?! It certainly sounds like you've got the right couple, Peter. Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter G Williams" <williamshenblas@hotmail.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:03 AM Subject: RE: [WLS-CGN] Lloyd Family > Dear Jean > > I have details of a marriage between a William Lloyd, born 1858, and a Mary > Ann Morris, born 1854? > > They married 9 Aug 1883 at St Peter's Church, Aberdyfi. Their eldest son is > John Morris Lloyd. > > They did not go to live in Borth until some date after 1901. > > If you care to contact me off list I can tell you a little more. > > Peter G Williams > Bedfordshire, UK > > >From: "Jean Marsh" <peachie_pie@talk21.com> > >To: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [WLS-CGN] Lloyd Family > >Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:31:59 -0000 > > > >Hello List > >Please will you tell me if this is the correct list for the Aberystwyth > >area. > >I am looking for the marriage of William Lloyd born 1854 and Mary Ann > >Morris > >born 1858. Apparently they lived in a place called Borth near Aberystwyth. > > > >I am told that they were probably married in St Matthews Church, Borth > >which > >I believe is a Methodist Church. > > > >Their first son John was born in 1887. > > > >I have searched the 1837online site from 1874 to 1887 and cannot find any > >matching pairs from Aberystwyth. > > > >Has anyone any ideas? > > > >Many thanks > > > >Jean > > > > > > > >==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >Rootsweb list archives[ threaded] > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLS-Cardiganshire-L/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > National Library of Wales > http://www.llgc.org.uk/ >

Would someone please be kind enough to look on the 1861 census inthe Mwnt area for a family of DAVIES/DAVIS to include a Sarah aged about 12-13? She is on the 1881 census in Verwick, born Mwnt, aged 32, with her children all born in the Verwick/LLangoedmore area. Any help will be very much appreciated. Thanks Ann

In answer to Ann Driscoll's question about how to find a film on the 1871 census at her local FHC: Your library should have the Alphabethical Index to the 1841-1891 Censuses for England, Wales, Isle of Man and Channel Islands. IT is fiche #6024509 and there are 5 of them. They list the place, parish/township, county and under each year, they list the film #. The 1871 census is not indexed. If you have looking for a small town, it should not be a problem - just look line by line. Hope I have helped someone. Annie

Ann, Have you considered they may very well have married within a few *months* of the birth of their first child (i.e., 1867)? When you say you've "tried all the usual web sites", have you tried www.1837online.com ? Alternatively, have you sent to the Supt. Registrar's office covering that area and requested a marriage certificate? Something else to consider -- it wasn't uncommon, by that time, for couples to marry in the Registrar's office, rather than in the parish church or chapel. It would probably help, when ordering a certificate, if you know where Sarah's family lived in 1861 and 1871. Presume you've located them in the census returns? Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <Anndriscoll@aol.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: [WLS-CGN] marriage look up WILLIAMS & DAVIS/DAVIES > Would someone please be kind enough to look up a marriage of John Williams to > Sarah Davies/Davis around 1865/6? Sarah was born in Mwnt, they had their > first child in 1867, and lived in Verwick/Ferwig and Llangoedmore until at > least 1901 when Sarah was a widow. I have tried all the usual web sites for a > match but no luck on any of them. > > Any help will really be appreciated > > Thanks > > Ann > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki CGN > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/ >

Would someone please be kind enough to look up a marriage of John Williams to Sarah Davies/Davis around 1865/6? Sarah was born in Mwnt, they had their first child in 1867, and lived in Verwick/Ferwig and Llangoedmore until at least 1901 when Sarah was a widow. I have tried all the usual web sites for a match but no luck on any of them. Any help will really be appreciated Thanks Ann

Margaret, If James was their eldest child, that would put Sarah's age at 29 when he was born -- somehow, I doubt he was the eldest and suspect they were married long before 1832, probably in Llanbadarn Fawr Parish Church as that's where Sarah was from and where James was born. The 1813-37 Dyfed Marriage Index shows quite a few marriages in LBF of John WILLIAMS -- the index doesn't 'match' grooms to brides, but I looked for common years for Sarah JONES, as well. Only by checking the LDS film of the Bishop's Transcripts will you be able to determine if any of these marriages are the right one. I would also suggest looking for earlier children (prior to 1832) baptised there. 1815 (2 John Williams, 1 Sarah Jones) 1816 ( same as above) 1819 (all above probably too early if Sarah was born ca.1803) 1828 - more likely, if Sarah was a JONES. If Sarah *wasn't* a JONES, here are other marriages of John WILLIAMS in LBF in the same time-period: 1820 1822 1823 1826 No 1832 marriage of a John WILLIAMS anywhere in the area of LBF. Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret H Foight" <pfoight@juno.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:52 PM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Marriage of John Williams and Sarah Jones > I am looking for the marriage records for John Williams and Sarah to > confirm that Sarah's maiden name was Jones. The eldest child, James, > would have been born in 1832 so I am thinking their marriage would have > occurred around that time. > > I believe this is my family so you'll know where they were born. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Source: Powys FHS - Brecon 1851 Census CD > 1851 Census of GLAMORGAN - NEATH Enumeration District > PRO Ref: HO107 - Piece: 2464 - Folio 030 - Page 052 > Parish: Ystradgynlais - Dwelling: 13 Water Street > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > WILLIAMS John, head m 52 labourer, CGN Llangwyryfon > WILLIAMS Sarah, wife m 48 ----------, CGN Llanbadarn Fawr > WILLIAMS James, son u 19 labourer, CGN Llanbadarn Fawr > WILLIAMS David, son u 17 labourer, CGN Llanbadarn Fawr > WILLIAMS William, son u 15 labourer, CGN Llanbadarn Fawr > WILLIAMS Margaret, daur - 13 ----------, CGN Llanbadarn Fawr > WILLIAMS Mary, daur - 10 ----------, CGN Aberystwyth > WILLIAMS Ann, daur - 07 ----------, CGN Aberystwyth > > > If this is something I can look up myself in the 1813-1837 records, > please direct me to the source. > As always, I appreciate your being there. With this info I can then go > to my LDS FHC and get the microfilms I need. > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ >

I am looking for the marriage records for John Williams and Sarah to confirm that Sarah's maiden name was Jones. The eldest child, James, would have been born in 1832 so I am thinking their marriage would have occurred around that time. I believe this is my family so you'll know where they were born. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Source: Powys FHS - Brecon 1851 Census CD 1851 Census of GLAMORGAN - NEATH Enumeration District PRO Ref: HO107 - Piece: 2464 - Folio 030 - Page 052 Parish: Ystradgynlais - Dwelling: 13 Water Street ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WILLIAMS John, head m 52 labourer, CGN Llangwyryfon WILLIAMS Sarah, wife m 48 ----------, CGN Llanbadarn Fawr WILLIAMS James, son u 19 labourer, CGN Llanbadarn Fawr WILLIAMS David, son u 17 labourer, CGN Llanbadarn Fawr WILLIAMS William, son u 15 labourer, CGN Llanbadarn Fawr WILLIAMS Margaret, daur - 13 ----------, CGN Llanbadarn Fawr WILLIAMS Mary, daur - 10 ----------, CGN Aberystwyth WILLIAMS Ann, daur - 07 ----------, CGN Aberystwyth If this is something I can look up myself in the 1813-1837 records, please direct me to the source. As always, I appreciate your being there. With this info I can then go to my LDS FHC and get the microfilms I need.

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In a message dated 12/6/03 6:47:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Your Family History Center should have a copy of a bunch of fiche which is listed as an Alphabethical List of the 1841 thru 1891 Censuses for England and Wales. It shows the name of the town or parish with the film numbers for each census year 1841-1891. I believe that most if not all of the FHC's within the USA has a copy of these fiche. It will be listed within the Family History Library Catalog with the fiche numbers. The person who said that you had to find that information yourself, doesn't know the Catalog or the library very well. If your library does not have a copy, you can order the fiche in for a small amount of money. I have the fiche numbers written down and when I find it I will post them to this list. Annie > Anndriscoll@aol.com > To: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <106.29e4e82b.2d0314f0@aol.com> > Subject: [WLS-CGN] Where can I get....? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Can someone please be kind enough to tell me the film/reference number for > the 1871 census for Cardigan - Llangoedmore/Verwick? My local LDS centre > want > to know the reference numbers before they will order it for me. > > I have tried the LDS library catalogue but can't seem to get any results. > > Thankyou > > >

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> Good evening. Has any "lister" the means to locate for me the marriage of a > Howell Davies and a Margaret Wiliams in the June quarter of 1901 in Lampeter. > Howell was from Treleach and Margaret from Solva. Thankyou Alun . >

Dear Jean I have details of a marriage between a William Lloyd, born 1858, and a Mary Ann Morris, born 1854? They married 9 Aug 1883 at St Peter's Church, Aberdyfi. Their eldest son is John Morris Lloyd. They did not go to live in Borth until some date after 1901. If you care to contact me off list I can tell you a little more. Peter G Williams Bedfordshire, UK >From: "Jean Marsh" <peachie_pie@talk21.com> >To: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WLS-CGN] Lloyd Family >Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:31:59 -0000 > >Hello List >Please will you tell me if this is the correct list for the Aberystwyth >area. >I am looking for the marriage of William Lloyd born 1854 and Mary Ann >Morris >born 1858. Apparently they lived in a place called Borth near Aberystwyth. > >I am told that they were probably married in St Matthews Church, Borth >which >I believe is a Methodist Church. > >Their first son John was born in 1887. > >I have searched the 1837online site from 1874 to 1887 and cannot find any >matching pairs from Aberystwyth. > >Has anyone any ideas? > >Many thanks > >Jean > > > >==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Rootsweb list archives[ threaded] >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/WLS-Cardiganshire-L/ > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Hello List Please will you tell me if this is the correct list for the Aberystwyth area. I am looking for the marriage of William Lloyd born 1854 and Mary Ann Morris born 1858. Apparently they lived in a place called Borth near Aberystwyth. I am told that they were probably married in St Matthews Church, Borth which I believe is a Methodist Church. Their first son John was born in 1887. I have searched the 1837online site from 1874 to 1887 and cannot find any matching pairs from Aberystwyth. Has anyone any ideas? Many thanks Jean

Ann, I used the LDS online website, Family History Library Catalog, Place Search, Verwick (part of) Cardigan, and it provided me with a list of all films relative to Verwick. They have Llangoedmore spelled without the 'e' on the end. Both parishes are on the same film for 1871. 1871 Census, Verwick & Llangoedmor FHL BRITISH Film 850860 Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <Anndriscoll@aol.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:18 AM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Where can I get....? > Can someone please be kind enough to tell me the film/reference number for > the 1871 census for Cardigan - Llangoedmore/Verwick? My local LDS centre want > to know the reference numbers before they will order it for me. > > I have tried the LDS library catalogue but can't seem to get any results. > > Thankyou > > > Ann > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html >

Can someone please be kind enough to tell me the film/reference number for the 1871 census for Cardigan - Llangoedmore/Verwick? My local LDS centre want to know the reference numbers before they will order it for me. I have tried the LDS library catalogue but can't seem to get any results. Thankyou Ann

Anna Brown <elijahf1@earthlink.net> wrote: Jenkin DAVIES emigrated from Cilcennin Parish to Pennsylvania .... well before 1715. When [he] died he left his farm in Cilcennin Parish to his brother Evan DAVIES with many stipulations re descent within the family line. I have heard that a descendent of Evan DAVIES, Anne DAVIES, lived there until 1957 and that the farm had been divided, by her grandfather, into three parts: Esgair-wen, Blaen-yr-esgair, and Blaen-waun. =============== Dear Anna, According to the 1881 census on CD (transcribed by the LDS church): 1. Blaenwaun existed as an 18-acre farm in Cilcennin in 1881. It was then occupied by a REES family. 2. Blaen-yr-esgair (then spelt 'Blaenesger') existed as a 40-acre farm in Cilcennin in 1881. It was then occupied by a MORGANS family. 3. Esgair-wen (then spelt 'Esgerwen') existed as a 26-acre farm in Cilcennin in 1881. It was then occupied by a MORGAN family. You might try the above spellings when following Julie Preston's advice to search the ISYS:web (Minor Databases) on the NLW website. The three farms are also shown separately (as 'Blaen-waun', 'Esgair-wen', and 'Blaen-yr-esgair') both on the 1:10,560-scale Ordnance Survey map published in 1890/91 (on the Old Maps website at www.old-maps.co.uk/), and on the modern 1:25,000-scale Ordnance Survey Explorer map (sheet 199). This evidence suggests that if your story is true, the original farm must have been broken up before 1881 and the resulting farms were no longer occupied by a DAVIES family. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/2003

Anna, The National Library of Wales online database ISYS:web (Minor Databases) might be a good place for you to find mentions of your place-names in Cilcennin. While inputting search criteria, use the "Sounds Like" option and check every possibility (be creative with spellings and also use the "within a paragraph of) option to include Cardigan or Cilcennin (again, be creative with the spelling of Cilcennin, especially in very old documents). Many old deeds for Cardiganshire are summarized in the databases. http://www.llgc.org.uk Once there, click on (right side of screen in English) "Catalogues and Electronic Resources". On the next page, scroll down (left side of page under "Available to All") to the section for ISYS:web (Minor Databases). Click on "Search the database". Good luck! Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anna Brown" <elijahf1@earthlink.net> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Esgairwen in Cilcennin parish - DAVIES farm: > Jenkin DAVIES emigrated from Cilcennin Parish to Pennsylvania with his > brothers and (his father?)Jenkin DAVID well before 1715. The earlier > Jenkin DAVID is thought to have been born about 1654 and the younger Jenkin > DAVIS about 1675. > When the latter died he left his farm in Cilcennin Parish to his brother > Evan DAVIES with many stipulations re descent within the family line. I > have heard that a descendent of Evan DAVIES, Anne DAVIES, lived there until > 1957 and that the farm had been divided, by her grandfather, into three > parts: Esgair-wen, Blaen-yr-esgair, and Blaen-waun. > I would like to learn how much of the above is true plus exact dates - if > possible. > Does anyone know this area and its people well? I will appreciate any > information and/or clues to sources > > --- Anna Brown > > > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > National Library of Wales > http://www.llgc.org.uk/ >

Jenkin DAVIES emigrated from Cilcennin Parish to Pennsylvania with his brothers and (his father?)Jenkin DAVID well before 1715. The earlier Jenkin DAVID is thought to have been born about 1654 and the younger Jenkin DAVIS about 1675. When the latter died he left his farm in Cilcennin Parish to his brother Evan DAVIES with many stipulations re descent within the family line. I have heard that a descendent of Evan DAVIES, Anne DAVIES, lived there until 1957 and that the farm had been divided, by her grandfather, into three parts: Esgair-wen, Blaen-yr-esgair, and Blaen-waun. I would like to learn how much of the above is true plus exact dates - if possible. Does anyone know this area and its people well? I will appreciate any information and/or clues to sources --- Anna Brown