Listers Im wondering if anyone can tell me what the book below hold This has been offered for auction and Im not going to be able to get to a library etc in time GENEALOGY - National Burial Index Eng & Wales Christene researching MAGOR in Wales CROOK in London marriage 1890 linking the families

I think this was meant to be sent to the CGN List. John Ball ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dewi Evans" <dewi.evans@web.de> To: "John Ball" <wfha@clara.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-CGN] Burials bool I can back up Johns comments on this. I bought it "blind" but in good faith. Of all the counties where my ancestors hailed, only Cardiganshire is of any use, and none of the 11,000 entries are of relevance to me. Dewi -- Dewi Evans http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dewievans/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ ______ WEB.DE FreeMail wird 5 Jahre jung! Feiern Sie mit uns und nutzen Sie die neuen Funktionen http://f.web.de/features/?mc=021130 "John Ball" <wfha@clara.co.uk> schrieb am 18.12.03 11:09:55: > > Christene Hartley <chartley@tpg.com.au> wrote: > Im wondering if anyone can tell me what the book below hold > This has been offered for auction and Im not going to be able to get to > a library etc in time > GENEALOGY - National Burial Index Eng & Wales > ================= > > Dear Christene, > > I think the publication you have described is a double CD rather than > a book. > > I have a copy of the first edition of the "National Burial Index for > England and Wales" published on two CD-Roms in 2001 by the Federation > of Family History Societies. > > I've found it rather disappointing, particularly for Welsh research. > While the index is claimed to include over five million records, there > are few entries for burials in Wales. For example there are about > 11,000 entries for Cardiganshire, 5,000 for Radnorshire, less than 1000 > for Monmouthshire and Montgomeryshire, 249,000 for Glamorgan, > and none at all for the remaining eight Welsh counties. > > > Kind regards, > > John > ---------------------------- > John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK > E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk > Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/2003 > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/2003

Christene Hartley <chartley@tpg.com.au> wrote: Im wondering if anyone can tell me what the book below hold This has been offered for auction and Im not going to be able to get to a library etc in time GENEALOGY - National Burial Index Eng & Wales ================= Dear Christene, I think the publication you have described is a double CD rather than a book. I have a copy of the first edition of the "National Burial Index for England and Wales" published on two CD-Roms in 2001 by the Federation of Family History Societies. I've found it rather disappointing, particularly for Welsh research. While the index is claimed to include over five million records, there are few entries for burials in Wales. For example there are about 11,000 entries for Cardiganshire, 5,000 for Radnorshire, less than 1000 for Monmouthshire and Montgomeryshire, 249,000 for Glamorgan, and none at all for the remaining eight Welsh counties. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/2003

Hi Ann Doesn't read to me like a Welsh name as written. Nothing jumps out as an alternative spelling either - Welsh names anyway. I think there was an Italian F1 racing driver of that name, may still be of course, no I don't think he drove for Williams :-) On the assumption that it could be a misinterpretation of a Welsh name, is it an exact photocopy of the original entry that you have ? If so I don't mind if you send me a scan for a second opinion, just the bit that matters. If it's a handwritten certified copy I suggest you query the name with the office that issued it. On the original register entry it's a witness's signature that appears, the name wasn't written separately. The GRO copy doesn't have original signatures on, to see the original you need to go to the local Registrar. Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: <Anndriscoll@aol.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:27 PM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Unusual name Fisich > I have just received a copy of the marriage cert of two of my ancestors and > one of the witnesses was Fisich Williams. I have not heard the name Fisich > before, could anyone tell me if it would have been a male or female name? > > Thanks > > Ann > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki CGN > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/ > >

Hi, I wonder if someone would please be kind enough to see who was living at either of the following 2 addresses in the 1861 census? 1) Bryn, Verwick, hopefully a family of Williams to include a John as son, aged about 24 and Joshua williams as head of house - a farmer. 2) Llwynyscan or Llwynyscaw, Mount/Mwnt hopefull a family of Davies to include a Sarah aged about 18, daughter, with Samuel Davies as head, (he was deceased farmer by 1867). any information will be much appreciated Thanks Ann

I have just received a copy of the marriage cert of two of my ancestors and one of the witnesses was Fisich Williams. I have not heard the name Fisich before, could anyone tell me if it would have been a male or female name? Thanks Ann

Hi again John, The reason I queried Penybont Shop, is because there is one in 1881 who has a David Evans there, and Margaret was a shop keepers wife .It says on Hannahs cert a John Jones was in attendence at her death. He also was a .witness of the marriage of Sarah Williams. perhaps this could have been their shop, unless this is yet another one.. There could be three different lines of Jones here. Thanks for your help, its so nice to know people are willing to help if they can. Thanks Valerie

Valerie Moore <val.moore1@ntlworld.com> wrote: 1. On the 1841 census: Hannah Williams aged 60 Inn Keeper not born in county; Mary, Margaret, Hannah, Evan Jones, all born LLandysul. 2. 1851 Hannah Williams wid 68 Inn Keeper not born in county. 3. When Hannah died, in attendance was a John Jones and she died at Penybent. ? a shop. 4. As she gave her birth date as 1813 on one census and 1816 on another, I have been unable to find her certificate and therefore find her mothers surname. 5. David Williams in 1881 could have been at the Red Lion LLandysul, and had a family there, giving his birth as 1824 a birth cert would again prove his parents. ================ Dear Valerie, My comments (below) refer to the above five points extracted from your original message. 1. The 1841 census would only tell you whether or not the individuals were born in Cardiganshire. It would not tell you whether they were born in Llandysul. Perhaps you have obtained this information from elsewhere? 2. The 1851 census should tell you more precisely than 'not in county' where Hannah Williams was born. 3. The place of death is probably Penybont rather than 'Penybent'. There is a Penybont Baptist chapel at grid reference 241522, 240342 near the bridge over the river at Llandysul. You'll find the chapel identified on the Old Maps website at http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ On the Old Maps main page, select the "Co-ordinates" option in the search facility (near top left of the page). In the search field enter the co-ordinates 241522,240342 (without any spaces) and click the Search button. Select the Carmarthenshire option rather than the Cardiganshire option. When the small map appears, click on the "Enlarged view" button below the map. A highly detailed large map of the area will open in a new window, centred roughly on Penybont Chapel. It's likely the area at this end of the bridge was (is?) known as Penybont (meaning 'bridge end'). 4. As the birth is before 1837 it will not have been registered so you be unable to obtain a birth certificate. You'll have to rely on church (or chapel) baptism records and parents' marriage records. 5. As just explained, an 1824 birth will not have been registered so you'll have to rely on church (or chapel) baptism records. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.550 / Virus Database: 342 - Release Date: 09/12/2003

Julie Preston reminded me that I had not given enough details, of my Williams. Yet another Senior Moment! On the 1841 census Hannah Williams aged 60 Inn Keeper not born in county Mary " 30 Margaret 28 Hannah 15 Evan Jones 1 year all born LLandysul 1851 Hannah Williams wid 68 Inn Keeper not born in county Margaret Jones wid 40 Hannah Jones mar 28 Shopkeepers wife David Williams son 24 Inn Servant Evan Jones Grandson 13 scholar Evan Jones " 1year Evan Williams died 1837 aged 72 born approx 1765 Hanna " died 1861 aged 83 " " 1778 When Hannah died, in attendance was a John Jones and she died at Penybent. ? a shop Sarah Williams their daughter married in Llandysul 1840 have cert for this. Her husband Thomas Jenkins was an excise office in Tregaron, and he was found drowned in 1850 she then moved back to Llandysul with her two sons and lived at 9 Lincoln St. I know what happened to these. As she gave her birth date as 1813 on one census and 1816 on another, I have been unable to find her certificate and therefore find her mothers surname. David Williams in 1881 could have been at the Red Lion LLandysul, and had a family there, giving his birth as 1824 a birth cert would again prove his parents. There is a David Wms b 1824 Horeb, Parents Evan Williams and Anna Evans. could this be Hannah? I have found two marriages Evan Wms m Hannah Jones 1813 Penderyn Evan Wms m Anne Jones 1811 LLanbadamfawr. There are some Evan Jones on the 1901 census which could be my lot, but you can make anything fit, and it is not necessarily correct. I am sure there must be some descendant still about, but with names like these!!!!! Sorry this is so long winded. The key has to be Sarah & Davids birth. I hope someone else is researching these, it would be nice to have a fellow researcher. Valerie

Valerie, As the birth years you've quoted for Sarah (1813 or 1816) and Thomas (1824) pre-date civil registration, you will not be able to obtain birth *certificates* for either of them, only their baptism entries, if you can find them in the indicated parish church or nonconformist chapel of the area, but these will not (unless they're christened in a Calvinistic Methodist chapel) include the mothers' maiden names -- if you're lucky, the abode will help identify the right baptism but they didn't always include the abode in the entry. Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Moore" <val.moore1@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Williams Llandysul > Julie Preston reminded me that I had not given enough details, of my Williams. Yet another Senior Moment! > > On the 1841 census > Hannah Williams aged 60 Inn Keeper not born in county > Mary " 30 > Margaret 28 > Hannah 15 > Evan Jones 1 year all born LLandysul > > 1851 > Hannah Williams wid 68 Inn Keeper not born in county > Margaret Jones wid 40 > Hannah Jones mar 28 Shopkeepers wife > David Williams son 24 Inn Servant > Evan Jones Grandson 13 scholar > Evan Jones " 1year > > Evan Williams died 1837 aged 72 born approx 1765 > Hanna " died 1861 aged 83 " " 1778 > > When Hannah died, in attendance was a John Jones and she died at Penybent. ? a shop > > Sarah Williams their daughter married in Llandysul 1840 > have cert for this. Her husband Thomas Jenkins was an excise office in Tregaron, and he was found drowned in 1850 > she then moved back to Llandysul with her two sons and lived at 9 Lincoln St. I know what happened to these. > > As she gave her birth date as 1813 on one census and 1816 > on another, I have been unable to find her certificate and therefore find her mothers surname. > David Williams in 1881 could have been at the Red Lion LLandysul, and had a family there, giving his birth as 1824 > a birth cert would again prove his parents. > There is a David Wms b 1824 Horeb, Parents Evan Williams and Anna Evans. > could this be Hannah? > > I have found two marriages Evan Wms m Hannah Jones 1813 Penderyn > Evan Wms m Anne Jones 1811 LLanbadamfawr. > > There are some Evan Jones on the 1901 census which could be my lot, but you can make anything fit, and it is not necessarily correct. > I am sure there must be some descendant still about, but with names like these!!!!! > Sorry this is so long winded. The key has to be Sarah & Davids birth. > I hope someone else is researching these, it would be nice to have a fellow researcher. > > Valerie > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm >

I am researching the family of Williams who had the Kings Head in LLandysul. Sarah Williams married Thomas Jenkins, who's father was Morgan Jenkins, he had a drapers shop in High Street St Marys Cardigan. I know there was a David Williams who also was the son of Evan & Hannah Williams, there were a further two daughters who both married people called Jones. I would live to find out more about them, and if there are any descendents.

Valerie, It might help if you included some dates in your query so someone else might be able to make suggestions. Do you have the family in the 1881 Census or do you need that entry? Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Moore" <val.moore1@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: [WLS-CGN] WILLIAMS-JENKINS-JONES LLANDYSUL > I am researching the family of Williams who had the Kings Head in LLandysul. Sarah Williams married Thomas Jenkins, who's father was Morgan Jenkins, he had a drapers shop in High Street St Marys Cardigan. > I know there was a David Williams who also was the son of Evan & Hannah Williams, there were a further two daughters who both married people called Jones. > I would live to find out more about them, and if there are any descendents. > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ >

Hi James, try Carmarthenshirefhs' website at http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk/ click on Cardiganshire and Pembrokeshire marriages 1813-37. It is a database which says it is open to all and although I belong to Carm fhs I was not asked for any codeword to look at the database. Try advanced find (click find first) when you get to the db to narrow down the no. of records you will be shown. Good Luck . Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Evans" <Blorenge@btopenworld.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Marriage of David MORRIS & Mary MORRIS, c. 1825-30 > Dear List, > > I'm looking for a marriage of a David MORRIS (born Pembs.) and Mary MORRIS (born Cardigan c. 1808) circa 1825-1830. It may have taken place in Cards. near the border with Pembrokeshire. Can anyone help? > > Best wishes > James Phillips-Evans > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Ceredigion Archives > email archives@ceredigion.gov.uk > >

Dear List, I'm looking for a marriage of a David MORRIS (born Pembs.) and Mary MORRIS (born Cardigan c. 1808) circa 1825-1830. It may have taken place in Cards. near the border with Pembrokeshire. Can anyone help? Best wishes James Phillips-Evans

James, I presume you mean that Mary's maiden name was MORRIS, as well. If the presumption is correct on my part, I checked all of the Cardiganshire hundreds in the Dyfed Marriage Index 1813-37 and there is no match of a David MORRIS and a Mary MORRIS in Cardiganshire in those years. The index that I hold does *not* match grooms to brides so if Mary's maiden name is unknown, there's no way of knowing which David MORRIS marriage might be the right one. Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Evans" <Blorenge@btopenworld.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 9:57 AM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Marriage of David MORRIS & Mary MORRIS, c. 1825-30 > Dear List, > > I'm looking for a marriage of a David MORRIS (born Pembs.) and Mary MORRIS (born Cardigan c. 1808) circa 1825-1830. It may have taken place in Cards. near the border with Pembrokeshire. Can anyone help? > > Best wishes > James Phillips-Evans > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Ceredigion Archives > email archives@ceredigion.gov.uk >

Dear Listers, This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales', just uploaded onto my website, features: 1. The villages of Upper and Lower Cwmtwrch on the Breconshire-Glamorgan border. This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in February 1998 (five photos). 2. The university town of Aberystwyth, and St Padarn's Church at nearby Llanbadarn Fawr, both in the county of Cardiganshire. This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in January 2002 (eleven photos). To view my Retrospective webpages, go to http://home.clara.net/wfha/walespic/retro/retro.htm Enjoy!! Best wishes, John ---------------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive (WFHA): http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.550 / Virus Database: 342 - Release Date: 09/12/2003

Well, my copy has arrived - and jolly interesting it looks too. The author has agreed that I can produce an online index for it so that will now fill my computer time as an enforced break from the ongoing work of extracting trade directories onto the Genuki pages. But this message is really a disguised seasonal rallying call for my (our?) book indexing project :-) Have a look and see whether your hoped for Xmas present book will fit in. After all, there can't be many opportunites left to join that very select band of Dyfed and Glamorgan lists book indexers ! http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks1a.html#Indexing Apart from the above book the other ongoing items that I am aware of are; <Mike Doyle is doing The History of Clydach <Pat Powell is doing The History of the Methodists in CMN <Laura Pryse is doing The People of the Covenant:The History of Galilee Baptist Church, Llangwm (1830-1988) Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <gareth@tytwp.demon.co.uk> To: "Dyfed" <Dyfed-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "CGN" <WLS-Cardiganshire-L@rootsweb.com>; "PEM" <WLS-Pembrokeshire-L@rootsweb.com>; "Glam" <Glamorgan-L@rootsweb.com>; <glyn.trollope@virgin.net> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: 'The Cambrian' Bi-Centeneray book - cross posting > Further to my original message (below), this new book is now available and > here are the up to date purchase details. > Don't forget that proceeds are going to charity. > > Postal ordering with sterling cheques or similar made payable to 'MIND in > Dacorum' should be sent to;- > > Glynden Trollope > Orchard Cottage Shenstone Hill Berkhamsted Herts HP4 2PA > (01442) 863754 > > Or by sending VISA etc details and expiry date by e-mail or if preferred by > phone to Glynden's local and reliable independent bookshop which is not > charging any commission for this service or on sales. > They have already transacted with NZ and USA in this way if sterling cheques > are not available. > <corbettsbkmsted@btconnect.com> (01442) 864559 > > Glynden can usually arrange delivery post free in Swansea, Neath, Llanelly > and > Llandilo areas; Ealing S & E Bucks and W. Herts. > When someone orders they need postal address, 'phone number &, if available > e-mail address. They may be > able to make other post free deliveries. > > The book costs £12 (GBP12) plus p&p. > The book weighs 1.2 Kilos and costs more in p&p than first envisaged. > UK p&p £4.50 > Overseas p&p : Surface all destinations - £5; Airmail - Aus & NZ - £12; > USA - £11. > > Any queries direct to Glynden please at glyn.trollope@virgin.net > > > Gareth > List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gareth" <Roots@johngareth.freeserve.co.uk> > To: "Dyfed" <Dyfed-L@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "CGN" <WLS-Cardiganshire-L@rootsweb.com>; "PEM" > <WLS-Pembrokeshire-L@rootsweb.com>; "Glam" <Glamorgan-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 5:50 PM > Subject: 'The Cambrian' Bi-Centeneray - cross posting > > > > In the latest Dyfed FHS journal is mentioned that a book by Glynden > Trollope > > is to be published in November to celebrate the 200th anniversary of 'The > > Cambrian' , the first English language newspaper to be published in Wales, > > launched in Swansea in 1804. The book has c 600 extracts from the > newspaper. > > It is to be launched by Roy Noble, BBC presenter, in Swansea on 12th > > November. > > > > The cost of the book will be GBP12 plus GBP3 postage (in UK I presume) - > or > > can be collected from Swansea or Llanelli. > > All proceeds are to be donated to the charity 'MIND in Dacorum' (based in > > Hemel Hempstead, Herts) or shared with other participating charities. > > > > I have registered my own interest at the email address provided > > enquiries@mindindacorum.org.uk > > The director of MIND in Dacorum is Julie Attree, my initial email has > > produced a snail mail response from Glynden Trollope saying that she is > > currently away and will email out further purchase/delivery details in due > > course, there will also soon be a web site. > > If any one else is interested I suggest you reserve a copy at the above > > email address. > > > > > > Gareth > > List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM > > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > > Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > . > > >

I just followed Julie Preston's advice (to someone else <grin>), to check out the catalogues and electronic resources website. In searching for anything with any of my "family farms" mentioned, I came across some information that seems to indicate that a cottage known as Pencnwc Cottage in the Cilcinnin area was still standing as recently as 1939. I hesitate to come out of the shadows of lurking to ask, but... Does this cottage sound familiar to anyone? I believe it was once home to Ann Richards, widow of John, and her family. I appreciate any information which may be shared. Thank you most sincerely, Kathi Jenkins Elliott Researching the following Cardiganshire connections: JENKINS(Pen-bryn-rhyg, Gwenfil, Llandewi-brefi) JONES (several branches- most sure about the Benglog Farm connection, Llandeiniol) EVANS (Rhyd-y-dorth, Llansantffraid) EDWARDS (Blaenplwyf, Llanychaearn ?) DAVIES (several branches including Gareg Lwyd, Brynwichelle, Blaenpennal) GRIFFITHS (several lines- untraced as of yet) RICHARDS (Pencnwc, Cilcinnin)

Hello All As I plan to `unsubscribe' and to end the fruitless search for the specific birthplace of my GGGrandfather James Lewis and my GGrandfather Thomas William Davies, both of whom emigrated from Wales to Canada in the mid 1800s. As a final message, I beg your indulgence to say: - To those who have put themselves out to assist me in my searches, I send a huge `thank you' with deep appreciation. - To those who have befriended me along the way and who have continued a personal correspondence, you know how I feel about each of you. - To those I may have offended along the way, I say `sorry', I meant you no personal harm. Sometimes, we simply disagreed. ` To those who get the message more than once because of cross-posting, I beg your indulgence. Please this once, just use your `trash' button. - To every member of the list and to their family members, I send best wishes for the holiday season. May our Lord bless each and every one of you and keep you well throughout the coming year. Happy Holidays. Happy hunting. Goodbye. Ron Davies Surrey, BC Canada

Kelly's Directory 1895 Specifically from the cd published by Archive CD Books http://www.archivecdbooks.org/ The following CGN parish extract is now on the pages of Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Llanilar/Kellys1895.html Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .