John, Thanks for your email <<There are a few inconsistencies and errors in your spellings of place-names. These probably originate from the sources from which you have extracted your information.>> Yes, I tend to leave spelling of place names and surnames as I find them, even if it is obvious that they are incorrect. The main reason for doing this is that it reflects something of the times the people lived in. However, in this case the place names are spelt as they were given to me by a research who lives in Cardiganshire! ? <<As I expect you are aware, the Herbert family has strong links with Tretower Court near Crickhowell, Breconshire. Sir William Herbert (created Earl of Pembroke in 1468) was the son of Sir William ap Thomas >> Yes, and if the line that I am chasing goes the way that I think it is going then it should go back to a brother of the first Earl. Have a good Yuletide and New Year. Andrew John Ball wrote: >Andrew Wallace <andrew.wallace@telia.com> wrote: >I am researching a branch of HERBERTs. My line goes back to John HERBERT who >married Margaret THOMAS in Llanerchaeron, 3 July 1799 and had a number of >children in Llannerch Aeron and Cilian Aeron. I also think that he is the >same John HERBERT who married a Mary and had children in Cilian Aeron in the >1790s. I also think that this is the same John HERBERT who died in >Cwmcastell, Llanarth bef. 14 January 1842. >================ > >Dear Andrew, > >There are a few inconsistencies and errors in your spellings of place-names. >These probably originate from the sources from which you have extracted your >information. > >1. "Llanerchaeron" is a misspelling of Llannerch Aeron. Llannerch Aeron is a >parish, part of which is in the hundred of Troedyraur and part in the >hundred of Llan. >2. "Cilian Aeron" is a misspelling of Ciliau Aeron, probably the result of a >misreading of difficult handwriting. Part of the parish of Ciliau Aeron is >in the hundred of Troedyraur and part in the hundred of Llan. > >As I expect you are aware, the Herbert family has strong links with Tretower >Court near Crickhowell, Breconshire. Sir William Herbert (created Earl of >Pembroke in 1468) was the son of Sir William ap Thomas who had bought >Tretower in the 1420s from James Berkeley (Lord Berkeley). >William Herbert made a gift of Tretower to his elder half-brother Roger >Vaughan circa 1450. > >Sources: >1. "A Gazetteer of Welsh Place-Names" by Elwyn Davies, third edition >published 1967 by University of Wales Press, Cardiff. ISBN 0-7083-1038-9 >2. "Historic Parishes of England & Wales" by Roger J. P. Kain and Richard R. >Oliver, published 2001 by History Data Service, University of Essex, >Colchester. ISBN 0-9540032-0-9 >3. "Tretower Court and Castle" by C. A. Ralegh Radford, third edition >revised and edited by David M. Robinson, pubished 1986 by Cadw: Welsh >Historic Monuments, Cardiff. ISBN 0-948329-11-4. > >Kind regards, > >John >---------------------------- >John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK >E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk >Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ >Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/2003 > > > >

Andrew Wallace <andrew.wallace@telia.com> wrote: I am researching a branch of HERBERTs. My line goes back to John HERBERT who married Margaret THOMAS in Llanerchaeron, 3 July 1799 and had a number of children in Llannerch Aeron and Cilian Aeron. I also think that he is the same John HERBERT who married a Mary and had children in Cilian Aeron in the 1790s. I also think that this is the same John HERBERT who died in Cwmcastell, Llanarth bef. 14 January 1842. ================ Dear Andrew, There are a few inconsistencies and errors in your spellings of place-names. These probably originate from the sources from which you have extracted your information. 1. "Llanerchaeron" is a misspelling of Llannerch Aeron. Llannerch Aeron is a parish, part of which is in the hundred of Troedyraur and part in the hundred of Llan. 2. "Cilian Aeron" is a misspelling of Ciliau Aeron, probably the result of a misreading of difficult handwriting. Part of the parish of Ciliau Aeron is in the hundred of Troedyraur and part in the hundred of Llan. As I expect you are aware, the Herbert family has strong links with Tretower Court near Crickhowell, Breconshire. Sir William Herbert (created Earl of Pembroke in 1468) was the son of Sir William ap Thomas who had bought Tretower in the 1420s from James Berkeley (Lord Berkeley). William Herbert made a gift of Tretower to his elder half-brother Roger Vaughan circa 1450. Sources: 1. "A Gazetteer of Welsh Place-Names" by Elwyn Davies, third edition published 1967 by University of Wales Press, Cardiff. ISBN 0-7083-1038-9 2. "Historic Parishes of England & Wales" by Roger J. P. Kain and Richard R. Oliver, published 2001 by History Data Service, University of Essex, Colchester. ISBN 0-9540032-0-9 3. "Tretower Court and Castle" by C. A. Ralegh Radford, third edition revised and edited by David M. Robinson, pubished 1986 by Cadw: Welsh Historic Monuments, Cardiff. ISBN 0-948329-11-4. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/2003

In a message dated 12/23/03 6:01:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: I have a Herbert family in Cardiganshire but not in the parish you indicated. My late cousin who had this line told me that all the Herberts in Cardiganshire came out of the Herbert family of Rhiwbren, Llanarth Parish, CGN. He said there were a lot of sons who moved around Cardiganshire. The family that I am related to was headed by Thomas Herbert of Llanddewi Brefi, CGN. His son, another Thomas, married Elinor Lloyd, my 2nd great-grandfather's sister. There is supposed to be some relationship to the Earl of Pembroke. Annie > Andrew Wallace <andrew.wallace@telia.com> > To: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > Hi all, > > As I am new to the list I thought I would start by posting my interests. > > I am researching a branch of HERBERTs. My line goes back to John HERBERT > who married Margaret THOMAS in Llanerchaeron, 3 July 1799 and had a > number of children in Llannerch Aeron and Cilian Aeron. I also think > that he is the same John HERBERT who married a Mary and had children in > Cilian Aeron in the 1790s. I also think that this is the same John > HERBERT who died in Cwmcastell, Llanarth bef. 14 January 1842. However, > where he came from or who his parents were is the point where I am > stuck. I have a feeling that this line could link up with other HERBERTs > from Llanarth and go back to Morgan HERBERT who mover to Cardiganshire > in the 16th Cent. Anybody chasing this line or might have any > information that will help locate the next generation back from John? > The tree is on the Internet at: > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=isenhand_4 > > Thanks for your time. > > Andrew > > > >

Hi all, As I am new to the list I thought I would start by posting my interests. I am researching a branch of HERBERTs. My line goes back to John HERBERT who married Margaret THOMAS in Llanerchaeron, 3 July 1799 and had a number of children in Llannerch Aeron and Cilian Aeron. I also think that he is the same John HERBERT who married a Mary and had children in Cilian Aeron in the 1790s. I also think that this is the same John HERBERT who died in Cwmcastell, Llanarth bef. 14 January 1842. However, where he came from or who his parents were is the point where I am stuck. I have a feeling that this line could link up with other HERBERTs from Llanarth and go back to Morgan HERBERT who mover to Cardiganshire in the 16th Cent. Anybody chasing this line or might have any information that will help locate the next generation back from John? The tree is on the Internet at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=isenhand_4 Thanks for your time. Andrew

>Elsie Have you any dates (which may be helpful to those trying to respond to your query.< Hello David and list, Here's what I have on the family I'm looking for: EVANS, Isaac b) c1773 Cefnrhuddlan,Isaf d) 18 MAY 1848 Cefnrhuddlan, Isaf LLOYD, Jane b) 03 JULY 1772 Cefnrhuddlan,Isaf d) 08 SEP 1826 Cefnrhuddlan, Isaf The IGI lists Jane LLOYD's parents as: John LLOYD and Anne BRYNLLEVRITH Children of Isaac and Jane EVANS: Thomas EVANS b) c1802 Llangothen Jane EVANS b) c1804 Llangothen Rachel EVANS b) c1806 Llangothen Thomas EVANS b) c1808 Llangothen (I think this may be my GG GF) Mary EVANS b) c1810 Llangothen Margaret EVANS b) c1812 Llangothen David Lloyd Isaac EVANS b) c1814 Llangothen Information on the IGI for Anne Brynllevrith: b) 03 JULY 1750 Llanvechan, CGN d) 01 JAN 1825 Information on the IGI for John Lloyd: b) 1750 Llanvechan, CGN d) 1823 Sorry this is so long, but I'm stuck on the surname thing here. My GGGF Thomas ISAAC was born in 1808 in Llanwenog, CGN according to all the censuses from 1841 thru 1871. His father is listed on his marriage cert in 1844 as Isaac EVANS. He named my GGF Herbert Lloyd ISAAC (probably Lloyd after his mother). This is the only family that seems to fit although the IGI lists the children as EVANS not ISAAC. I hope this additional information will catch someone's eye. I'd love to hear from anyone that can help and thank you in advance. Elsie L Isaac Bethlehem, PA USA Proud to be working on the FreeCen Project!!!! Let's get the UK Census online to view for Free! _________________________________________________________________ Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

In a message dated 12/22/03 4:59:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Brynllefrith is a farm and it is located in Llanwenog Parish, CGN. When did your family live on that farm? Give me names and dates and I'll see what I can do. I have run across that farm in Llanwenog in relation to my own family. Annie > Brynllevrith sounds like the name of a place rather than an actual surname. > It could be 'Brynllefrith' for which I got 37 hits on Google and see GENUKI > too at: > >

Elsie, The only thing about your message that caught my eye is the surname of Jane's mother, Ann -- "Brynllevrith" ??? Unless I am woefully misinformed, this is, most definitely, *not* a surname -- I presume the IGI entry was not from a baptism entry but submitted by a patron and that the word is, most likely, a place-name (dwelling/cottage/farm/hamlet). I would suggest you search out the original documents (i.e., microfilm of the Bishop's Transcripts) for the appropriate parishes mentioned so as to obtain the details as written. Regards, Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elsie Isaac" <elisaac@msn.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-CGN] Interest: EVANS/Lloyd > >Elsie > > Have you any dates (which may be helpful to those trying to respond to your > query.< > > Hello David and list, > > Here's what I have on the family I'm looking for: > > EVANS, Isaac b) c1773 Cefnrhuddlan,Isaf d) 18 MAY 1848 Cefnrhuddlan, Isaf > LLOYD, Jane b) 03 JULY 1772 Cefnrhuddlan,Isaf d) 08 SEP 1826 > Cefnrhuddlan, Isaf > > The IGI lists Jane LLOYD's parents as: John LLOYD and Anne BRYNLLEVRITH > > Children of Isaac and Jane EVANS: > Thomas EVANS b) c1802 Llangothen > Jane EVANS b) c1804 Llangothen > Rachel EVANS b) c1806 Llangothen > Thomas EVANS b) c1808 Llangothen (I think this may be my GG GF) > Mary EVANS b) c1810 Llangothen > Margaret EVANS b) c1812 Llangothen > David Lloyd Isaac EVANS b) c1814 Llangothen > > Information on the IGI for Anne Brynllevrith: > b) 03 JULY 1750 Llanvechan, CGN > d) 01 JAN 1825 > > Information on the IGI for John Lloyd: > b) 1750 Llanvechan, CGN > d) 1823 > > Sorry this is so long, but I'm stuck on the surname thing here. My GGGF > Thomas ISAAC was born in 1808 in Llanwenog, CGN according to all the > censuses from 1841 thru 1871. His father is listed on his marriage cert in > 1844 as Isaac EVANS. He named my GGF Herbert Lloyd ISAAC (probably Lloyd > after his mother). This is the only family that seems to fit although the > IGI lists the children as EVANS not ISAAC. > > I hope this additional information will catch someone's eye. I'd love to > hear from anyone that can help and thank you in advance. > > > Elsie L Isaac > Bethlehem, PA USA > > Proud to be working on the FreeCen Project!!!! > Let's get the UK Census online to view for Free! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Ceredigion Archives > email archives@ceredigion.gov.uk >

Elsie Have you any dates (which may be helpful to those trying to respond to your query). Brynllevrith sounds like the name of a place rather than an actual surname. It could be 'Brynllefrith' for which I got 37 hits on Google and see GENUKI too at: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Pencarreg/HanesEglwys.html#Places for a book Gareth has indexed with place and personal names that might be relevant. Brynllefrith is also listed as a house in the parish of Llanwenog, Ceredigion (on the southern border with Carmarthen) here: http://www.brawdybooks.com/cardsparishes.htm Might be worth having a look round resources on the net with that spelling. Hwyl David Canberra > Hello Listers: > > I believe I have located my GGG Grandparents, but not absolutely sure. If > anyone out there has the interests of Isaac EVANS and Jane LLoyd, or Jane's > parents: John LLOYD and Anne BRYNLLEVRITH, I would love to hear from you. > > Also, can anyone tell me where Llanvechan is, and where Llangothen is? > > Elsie L Isaac > Bethlehem, PA USA > > Proud to be working on the FreeCen Project!!!! > Let's get the UK Census online to view for Free! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html >

I just wanted to wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a safe and happy New Year! Marliese Hughes Evan Hughes family of S. Wales

Thanks John! I think this is exactly what I was looking for. I have a birthplace as Llanvechan in one place, Cefenrhuddlan Isaf on another, and Llanwenog on yet another source for the same person. I think you've answered the question that this was in Llanwenog Parish in Cardiganshire. Thank you for your help. Elsie L Isaac Bethlehem, PA USA Proud to be working on the FreeCen Project!!!! Let's get the UK Census online to view for Free! From: "John Ball" <wfha@clara.co.uk> To: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WLS-CGN] Interest: EVANS/Lloyd Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:57 -0000 Dear Elsie (and Listers), I wish to add the following to my previous message about "Llanvechan" and "Llangothen": Llanfechan ("Llanvechan") is also a property (probably a farm) located at grid reference SN516455, one mile northwest of Llanybydder. Llanybydder is in Carmarthenshire, but Llanfechan (farm) is north of the river Teifi and is therefore in Cardiganshire (in the parish of Llanwenog). The LDS 1881 census transcript includes only one reference to "Llangothen", as the birthplace (in Cardiganshire) of 42-year-old Margret [sic] Jones, wife of Stephen Jones, then living at Dowlais Top, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan. The same source also includes a single reference to "Llangothan", as the birthplace (in Carmarthenshire) of 71-year-old widow Caroline Jones, then living in Middle Taff Street, Merthyr Tydfil. Rather than my previous suggestion (Llangollen, DEN) I suspect that both of these occurrences in the 1881 census are references to Llangathen, a village and parish in the county of Carmarthenshire (grid reference SN584222) situated about 3 miles west of Llandeilo. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/2003 ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== Ceredigion Archives email archives@ceredigion.gov.uk _________________________________________________________________ Grab our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Dear Elsie (and Listers), I wish to add the following to my previous message about "Llanvechan" and "Llangothen": Llanfechan ("Llanvechan") is also a property (probably a farm) located at grid reference SN516455, one mile northwest of Llanybydder. Llanybydder is in Carmarthenshire, but Llanfechan (farm) is north of the river Teifi and is therefore in Cardiganshire (in the parish of Llanwenog). The LDS 1881 census transcript includes only one reference to "Llangothen", as the birthplace (in Cardiganshire) of 42-year-old Margret [sic] Jones, wife of Stephen Jones, then living at Dowlais Top, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan. The same source also includes a single reference to "Llangothan", as the birthplace (in Carmarthenshire) of 71-year-old widow Caroline Jones, then living in Middle Taff Street, Merthyr Tydfil. Rather than my previous suggestion (Llangollen, DEN) I suspect that both of these occurrences in the 1881 census are references to Llangathen, a village and parish in the county of Carmarthenshire (grid reference SN584222) situated about 3 miles west of Llandeilo. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/2003

Elsie Isaac <elisaac@msn.com> wrote: Also, can anyone tell me where Llanvechan is, and where Llangothen is? =================== Dear Elsie, Llanvechan is probably an anglicised spelling of either Llanfechan or Llanfechain. Llanfechan is an area in the parish of Tregynon (grid reference SO0797). Llanfechain is a village and parish (grid reference SJ1820). Both places are in the county of Montgomeryshire. Llangothen is possibly a corrupted spelling of Llangollen, a town and parish in the county of Denbighshire (grid reference SJ2142). Sources: 1. "A Gazetteer of Welsh Place-Names" by Elwyn Davies, published 1967 by University of Wales Press, Cardiff. ISBN 0-7083-1038-9 2. "Historic Parishes of England & Wales" by Roger J. P. Kain and Richard R. Oliver, published 2001 by History Data Service, University of Essex, Colchester. ISBN 0-9540032-0-9 Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/2003

Hello Listers: I believe I have located my GGG Grandparents, but not absolutely sure. If anyone out there has the interests of Isaac EVANS and Jane LLoyd, or Jane's parents: John LLOYD and Anne BRYNLLEVRITH, I would love to hear from you. Also, can anyone tell me where Llanvechan is, and where Llangothen is? Elsie L Isaac Bethlehem, PA USA Proud to be working on the FreeCen Project!!!! Let's get the UK Census online to view for Free! _________________________________________________________________ Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

You are probably related to me in some way but I cannot help you because your ancestry is too late for my records. I can tell you this that the Morgan(s) clan is huge. Whenever there is a funeral in that family and my cousin attends it, she finds Morgans from many, many parishes, all related. And by the way, the name was probably Morgan to begin with and somewhere along the line, your ancestor put a "s" at the end of the name and made it Morgans so that he could stand out from all the other Morgans. I know, my 2nd great-grandfather did that because there were so many Morgans in the area. He's buried in a graveyard where 70% of the names are Morgan. When you have Morgans, you look for Morgan as well. Good luck, Annie > From: BuddugH@aol.com > Subject: [WLS-CGN] morgans Lledrod. > > > > > I have started researching a Morgans family from Lledrod for a family > member . All I have at the moment is > MORGAN J MORGANS born 1896 . > On the 1901 census ,his father was recorded as > MORGAN MORGANS aged 40 ,farmer (born Lledrod ) > mother > MARY J MORGANS aged 25 (born in London ). > siblings , > JANE > MARGARET > MARY > As I have posted the info on to him ,I can't quite remember the name of the > farm .I think it was TREFLIN. > I checked the igi's to see if there were any Morgan Morgans's in Lledrod and > it threw up quite a lot going back into the 1700's. Obviously it will take > quite a bit of time to research this family . I was wondering if there is > anyone > who would know anything on this branch of the Morgan's . > Diolch yn fawr unwaith eto , > pob hwyl, > Buddug > > > > > > > > > > >

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Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda .(Merry Christmas and a happy new year ) I have started researching a Morgans family from Lledrod for a family member . All I have at the moment is MORGAN J MORGANS born 1896 . On the 1901 census ,his father was recorded as MORGAN MORGANS aged 40 ,farmer (born Lledrod ) mother MARY J MORGANS aged 25 (born in London ). siblings , JANE MARGARET MARY As I have posted the info on to him ,I can't quite remember the name of the farm .I think it was TREFLIN. I checked the igi's to see if there were any Morgan Morgans's in Lledrod and it threw up quite a lot going back into the 1700's. Obviously it will take quite a bit of time to research this family . I was wondering if there is anyone who would know anything on this branch of the Morgan's . Diolch yn fawr unwaith eto , pob hwyl, Buddug

Hello I didn't see the original message on this subject, but anyone interested in the history of the Italian cafes etc. in Wales may like to read 'Lime, Lemon and Sarsaparilla' by Colin Hughes, subtitled The Italian Community in South Wales 1881-1945. Details available from www.seren-books.com I have no personal connection with this publication. I hope this will be useful. Best wishes, and a Merry Christmas, Marjorie Maiden

Ann has since cleared this up, she told me off list; "I spoke to the Supt. Registrar today, he didn't write the certificate that I have received and he got the original out of the safe. He now says that if it had been him writing it, he would have put either Josiah or Isiah Williams as the witness. Also, the grooms father's name has been written clearly as Joshuah, whereas the supt Reg says he would have put Josiah! Also he says that he cannot send a photocopy....." Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Vivash" <mountpleasant@goginan.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-CGN] Italians in Wales > If you take out the second "i" ie FISCH you have the common German name > meaning 'fish'. However, if it relates to a forename, it could be that > 'Fisich' resulted from a mis-hearing of 'Isaac', bearing in mind that the > 'ch' in Welsh would be pronounced as in the Scottish 'loch'. > > Paul >

If you take out the second "i" ie FISCH you have the common German name meaning 'fish'. However, if it relates to a forename, it could be that 'Fisich' resulted from a mis-hearing of 'Isaac', bearing in mind that the 'ch' in Welsh would be pronounced as in the Scottish 'loch'. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cardi2@aol.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 6:21 AM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Italians in Wales > In a message dated 12/18/03 6:58:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, > WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > I don't know if this helps or not. My cousin who lives in South Wales, told > me that there were Italians that came into South Wales (Glamorgan) in the late > 19th century. It might help someone. > > Annie > > > > Unusual name Fisich > > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cardiganshire FHS > http://www.cgnfhs.org.uk > >

In a message dated 12/18/03 6:58:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: I don't know if this helps or not. My cousin who lives in South Wales, told me that there were Italians that came into South Wales (Glamorgan) in the late 19th century. It might help someone. Annie > Unusual name Fisich