I'm trying to find where and when my gggrandparents got married. Groom: John James EVANS, b: 04.07.1876 in Aberystwyth Bride: Agnes Ann Clara JONES (known as Annie), b: 29.08.1878 in Sion Row, Llanelly, Carms. His parents: John Evans, Maria (born Molineaux) Her parents: John Jones, Agnes Mary Rose (born Turner) Family stories say he was a journalist with the Cambrian Post, he was however a witness to his mothers death. his occupation then was given as Clerk in Borough Council Office Evidence is good enough to assume they got married in Aberystwyth. I would like to find out where. Their first child (twins) was born 1906. I'm also looking for the date when John James died. He and Annie are buried in Llanbadarn Fawr cemetery. Can anyone help? --  Dewi Evans http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dewievans/index.html ______________________________________________________________________________ Nachrichten, Musik und Spiele schnell und einfach per Quickstart im WEB.DE Screensaver - Gratis downloaden: http://screensaver.web.de/?mc=021110

Thanks Billy I'm posting this to various genealogy mailing lists as well as amending my site details Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fallows, Billy" <Billy.Fallows@liverpoolmuseums.org.uk> To: <tirbach@clara.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: Merseyside Maritime Museum > Hi, > > I was reading your Help Page for information on Emigration from Wales and > noticed numerous references to Merseyside Maritime Museum. Can I provide you > with a selection of up-to-date links for the museum. > > Merseyside Maritime Museum > http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime > > Merseyside Maritime Museum Archives > http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/archives.asp > > Email (museum in general) > maritime@liverpoolmuseums.org.uk > > Email (Maritime archives and library) > maritime.archives@liverpoolmuseums.org.uk > > On a different note we have also recently produced an educational micro-site > about emigration from the port of Liverpool. It may not be much help to > anyone researching their ancestry but it may be of interest. The site is > called Leaving from Liverpool and the URL is > http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/nof/emigrants/. > > Thanks for your time, > Billy > > William Fallows, > National Museums Liverpool > **************************************************************************** > > Congratulations Liverpool - European Capital of Culture 2008 > Spirit of the Blitz - Liverpool during the Second World War at the > Merseyside Maritime Museum until 6 June 2004. > National Museums Liverpool Legal Disclaimer: > This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential and > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this > email in error please take no action based upon any information contained > within it and delete it immediately without retaining a copy. > This email has been checked by National Museums Liverpool for the presence > of computer viruses. However, National Museums Liverpool will not accept > any liability and all recipients are advised to carry out their own virus > checks upon receipt. > **************************************************************************** > > >

>From News Wales today http://www.newswales.co.uk/ ############################### Welsh rail station recycled 22/1/2004 European funding is set to transform Aberystwyth's derelict old railway station into a sustainable business. The voluntary organisation Ceredigion Recycling And Furniture Team - CRAFT - has been awarded an Objective 1 grant of nearly £1.5million towards the £2.6 million project of turning the railway building and site into an innovative furniture recycling centre. The project, aptly known as 'Dim Pen Y Daith' (Not The End Of The Line), will create a number of full and part time jobs. Once it is up-and-running it will provide an information centre and other facilities open to visitors. The new furniture workshop will be built of recycled and recyclable materials, and sport a turfed roof. Andy Rendell, Co-ordinator of CRAFT, stated: "We are tremendously excited about what will be a wonderful resource for this area. Local residents will be able to bring their unwanted furniture and other reusable household goods to the centre, which will then be restored and sold at affordable prices to people in particular need and to the general public. " In the process, the work will provide much needed employment, training and volunteering opportunities for disadvantaged local people. We aim to create an impressive, environmentally-friendly centre which will bring long-term benefits to our community, and we can't wait to see all our hard work and planning come to fruition. ############### Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Could I ask someone with access to the 1861 or 1871 census of Caron / Ysbyty Ystwyth to have a look for a John Jones for me? A big task I know, but I can narrow it down quite a bit. His parents were Thomas and Anne. Their address in the 1881 census is Pensettings, Ysbyty Ystwyth. I assume, due to their ages, they are unlikely to have moved in their latter years. I have narrowed down John year of birth to between 1839 and 1850. He had three children, born 1875, 1876 and 1878, but his wife was widowed by the time of the 1881 census, so I am assuing that he married about 1872-1874. Hence he would have been single in the 1871 census. Failing this, I would appreciate confirmation of the household of Pensettings in 1861 / 1871. thanks in advance --  Dewi Evans http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dewievans/index.html ______________________________________________________________________________ Erdbeben im Iran: Zehntausende Kinder brauchen Hilfe. UNICEF hilft den Kindern - helfen Sie mit! https://www.unicef.de/spe/spe_03.php

Now Freeserve's turn to play silly b.....s by bouncing Rootsweb messages. This notice on Rw's help desk today. ################# Mail Lists: 2004-01-20 freeserve.co.uk / fsnet.co.uk rejecting RootsWeb mail Mailing list mail to subscribers at Freeserve is being rejected for unknown reasons. RootsWeb is attempting to resolve the issue with this ISP. Users of the Freeserve services should address their concerns to their ISP if they are unhappy that their mail from RootsWeb is being blocked. Subscribers can continue to follow the mail from the lists at <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/>ARCHIVER threaded archives. Following resolution of the problem, users should check their list subscriptions at <http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/>PasswordCentral. Est. downtime: 1 week(s) ################# Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Dear Listers, I have just uploaded the six 'Retrospective Images of Wales' features scheduled for the next three weeks. The details are as follows: 1. The former coalmining village of Nantyglo, Monmouthshire. This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in February 1999 (six photos). 2. The town of Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire. This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in June 1999 (twelve photos). 3. The village of Alltwen, near Pontardawe, Glamorgan. This two-page feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in July 1998 (seventeen photos). 4. The parish church at Manordeifi, Pembrokeshire (photography by Gerwyn Williams). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in October 2000 (nine photos). 5. The parish church of St Bilo, Llanfilo, Breconshire. This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in August 1998 (six photos). 6. A selection of Public Houses in various locations in South and West Wales. This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in February 1998 (nine photos). To view my Retrospective webpages, go to http://home.clara.net/wfha/walespic/retro/retro.htm Enjoy!! The next upload of Retrospectives will take place on 14th February. Best wishes, John ---------------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive (WFHA): http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 13/01/2004

The Cambrian And General Weekly Advertiser For the Principality of Wales 1804 - 1930 Celebrating the 200th anniversary of the first English Language newspaper published in Wales and launched in Swansea in 1804. Edited by Glynden Trollope. Published 2003. ISBN 0-9545074-0-1 I have finished this index, now on Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Swansea/Cambrian.html Having now fully digested it, I should say the book has a strong Swansea flavour, but a mix of content otherwise. Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Mandy I do not know but I would try the Ceredigion Archives. http://archifdy-ceredigion.org.uk/index.html Even if they do not possess such a thing they might know the answer to your question. David Canberra > > Thanks for all the discussion in relation to this hotel . . . now all I have > to do is chase down Thomas Edwards . . .does anybody have any suggestions as > to where I might find this information? Would their be a register of > owners? > > Thanks again and best wishes, > > Mandy > Melbourne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:04 PM > Subject: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D Digest V04 #4 > > > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Welsh Family History Archive http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm >

Hi just me again, I have recently managed to pick up a copy of the book "Holidays by LMS [London Midland and Scottish Railways] 1931" Sure enough the hotel was mentioned in there: "Aberystwyth "Glengower" - Victoria Marine Terrace. Best position on the front. Convenient for golf links, tennis courts, bowls etc. Electric light throughout. Separate tables. Tariff on application. Mr and Mrs Edwards, Proprietors." So I can now assume that Thomas was most likely married, unless it was previously owned by his parents and that they did did own the hotel in the early 1930s. At least this is a little more information. Regards, Mandy Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:00 PM Subject: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D Digest V04 #2

Thanks for all the discussion in relation to this hotel . . . now all I have to do is chase down Thomas Edwards . . .does anybody have any suggestions as to where I might find this information? Would their be a register of owners? Thanks again and best wishes, Mandy Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D Digest V04 #4

Paul Vivash <mountpleasant@goginan.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote: Despite John's reference to Owain Glyndwr's associations with this area, I am sure that David is correct, especially as you are talking as recently as WW2. Glen Gower Hotel is at 3, Victoria Terrace, Aberystwyth. =============== Dear Paul, Thanks for the info about the Glen Gower Hotel. I've no doubt you're right, and my theory was wrong. The name Glen Gower seems to be a strange mixture of Scottish (glen) and English (Gower) --- rather unusual for this very Welsh part of Wales ! :o) All the best, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.559 / Virus Database: 351 - Release Date: 07/01/2004

> Does anybody know anything about this hotel. Trying to find information on > a Thomas EDWARDS who ran/owned the hotel during WW II. Should anybody have > a copy of a directory of that time, I would be very interested of the entry > for the hotel. > > Any information much appreciated . . .trying to ascertain his connection to > a LEWIS family. > > Thanks and best wishes, > > Mandy > Melbourne > Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- Mandy A Google search yielded (at http://www.ginasoft.co.uk/ginajane/eventinfo.htm): Aberystwyth - West Wales BDSM Group Munch - http://www.ukbdsm.com/wales/munches.html The Glendower Hotel - Sea Front Aberystwyth, SY23 2DH , Wednesday April 9, 2003 7:00 pm - 1:00 am This event repeats on the second Wednesday of every month. Event Location: The Glengower Hotel-Aberystwyth Street: Victoria Terrace Aberystwyth SY23 2DH Phone: 01970 626191 hotel manager Mr Chin Notes: Seafront Hotel, 500 yards from the Constitution Hill dress code vanilla - attitude free - pan-sexual meet & greet phone : 07951 966220 [Contact meetgreet@uk-fetish.co.uk] [Contributed by Bugei]> From: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com> Trouble is, I suspect this is a typo for 'GlenGower'. David Canberra > To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:00 AM > Subject: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D Digest V03 #187 > > > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >

Does anybody know anything about this hotel. Trying to find information on a Thomas EDWARDS who ran/owned the hotel during WW II. Should anybody have a copy of a directory of that time, I would be very interested of the entry for the hotel. Any information much appreciated . . .trying to ascertain his connection to a LEWIS family. Thanks and best wishes, Mandy Melbourne Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:00 AM Subject: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D Digest V03 #187

Can anyone tell me where a laundress would have worked in the 1800s? I assume she would do the washing for other people. Would she have worked from home, at the place of her customer or did such things as laundrys exist then? I am particularly interested in Ysbyty Ystwyth and Aberystwyth. It seems to have been a popular job in my family at that time. --  Dewi Evans ______________________________________________________________________________ Erdbeben im Iran: Zehntausende Kinder brauchen Hilfe. UNICEF hilft den Kindern - helfen Sie mit! https://www.unicef.de/spe/spe_03.php

Hi Mandy! Despite John's reference to Owain Glyndwr's associations with this area, I am sure that David is correct, especially as you are talking as recently as WW2. Glen Gower Hotel is at 3, Victoria Terrace, Aberystwyth. However, we do have a controversy at the moment over the local council's plans to re-name the rather bland "Bank Square" in the town "Owain Glyndwr Square". The objections came mainly from local traders wo would be faced with having to change the name on letterheads and merchandise. However, Aberystwyth magistrates backed the Council and Owain Glyndwr Square will come into being on 1 March 2005. Cheers Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rowlands" <drowlan1@bigpond.net.au> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [WLS-CGN] Glendower Hotel in Aberystwyth > > Does anybody know anything about this hotel. Trying to find information on > > a Thomas EDWARDS who ran/owned the hotel during WW II. Should anybody have > > a copy of a directory of that time, I would be very interested of the entry > > for the hotel. > > > > Any information much appreciated . . .trying to ascertain his connection to > > a LEWIS family. > > > > Thanks and best wishes, > > > > Mandy > > Melbourne > > Australia > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Mandy > > A Google search yielded (at > http://www.ginasoft.co.uk/ginajane/eventinfo.htm): > > Aberystwyth - West Wales BDSM Group Munch - > http://www.ukbdsm.com/wales/munches.html > The Glendower Hotel - Sea Front Aberystwyth, SY23 2DH , > Wednesday April 9, 2003 7:00 pm - 1:00 am This event repeats on the second > Wednesday of every month. Event Location: The Glengower Hotel-Aberystwyth > Street: Victoria Terrace Aberystwyth SY23 2DH Phone: 01970 626191 hotel > manager Mr Chin Notes: Seafront Hotel, 500 yards from the Constitution Hill > dress code vanilla - attitude free - pan-sexual meet & greet phone : 07951 > 966220 [Contact meetgreet@uk-fetish.co.uk] [Contributed by Bugei]> From: > <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com> > > Trouble is, I suspect this is a typo for 'GlenGower'. > > David > Canberra > > > > > To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:00 AM > > Subject: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D Digest V03 #187 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Dyfed FHS > > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ > > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > >

Dear Dewi, Thank you for your speedy reply (copied below). The reason my search failed to find the entry to which you were referring is because it appears as 'N K' (not 'NK') i.e. with a space between the letters. The dwellings enumerated each side of Margaret Wood's residence were: Graigwen Gistfaen Tyfry --- N K --- Penglog Isaf Waunlloi Isaf Waunlloi Uchaf Nearly all of these properties are shown on the 1891 Ordnance Survey 1:10,560-scale map clustered around the coordinates 274845,271584. Go to the Old-Maps website at http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ On the main page, select the "Co-ordinates" option in the search facility (near top left of the page). In the search field enter the co-ordinates 274845,271584 (without any spaces) and click the Search button. When the small map appears, click on the "Enlarged view" button below the map. A highly detailed large map of the area will open in a new window, centred roughly on the cluster of properties neighbouring Margaret Wood's residence. You can save the enlarged view map to your hard disc by clicking on the map with your right mouse button and selecting the "Save Picture As..." option in the menu which appears. In the centre of the cluster there is a property identified on the 1891 map as 'Ty Newydd' (New House). This property does not seem to be identified by name in the 1881 census. One could speculate that this could be the property which in 1881 was un-named and therefore described as 'N K'? Considering your other CGN List message about Margaret Wood's occupation as a laundress -- Margaret's next door neighbour was a charwoman, but most of the neighbours were lead miners. Presumably there would be plenty of work for a laundress! :o) Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dewi Evans" <dewi.evans@web.de> To: "John Ball" <wfha@clara.co.uk> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-CGN] 1881 census terminology John, here it is: I got it from the LDS on-line census. Margaret WOOD Household Female ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Other Information: Birth Year <1837> Birthplace U Caron, Cardigan, Wales Age 44 Occupation Laundress Marital Status W <Widowed> Head of Household Margaret WOOD Relation Head Disability ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Source Information: Dwelling N K Census Place Yspytty Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales Family History Library Film 1342311 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5450 / 92 Page Number 7 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.559 / Virus Database: 351 - Release Date: 07/01/2004

Dewi Evans" dewi.evans@web.de wrote: In the 1881 census for Ysbyty Ystwyth I have a family with Dwelling given as NK. What does this mean? Could it mean "Not known"? Julie Preston <juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net> answered: Short answer: Yes Long answer: I've usually seen "NK" in the birthplace column but, in this case, the dwelling name must've been unknown or didn't have a name when the enumerator visited. ===================== Dear Dewi (and Julie), As Julie says, NK means 'not known', but to describe a dwelling as not known is rather puzzling. I don't recall ever seeing it used in such a context. I've just performed an advanced search of the LDS transcription of the 1881 census on CD using the key words 'NK' and 'Cardigan'. It found 43 instances, but none of them shows the dwelling as "NK". The NK appears under 'birthplace', or 'occupation', or an individual's name. Dewi, to help us solve this mystery, can you: 1. Quote the full details of the Ysbyty Ystwyth household in which 'Dwelling: NK' appears? 2. Confirm whether you obtained your info from a microfilm of the census enumerator's logbook, or from the LDS CD, or from the LDS on-line census. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.559 / Virus Database: 351 - Release Date: 07/01/2004

In the 1881 census for Ysbyty Ystwyth I have a family with Dwelling given as NK. What does this mean? Could it mean "Not known"? --  Dewi Evans ______________________________________________________________________________ Nachrichten, Musik und Spiele schnell und einfach per Quickstart im WEB.DE Screensaver - Gratis downloaden: http://screensaver.web.de/?mc=021110

Dewi, Short answer: Yes Long answer: I've usually seen "NK" in the birthplace column but, in this case, the dwelling name must've been unknown or didn't have a name when the enumerator visited. Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dewi Evans" <dewi.evans@web.de> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: [WLS-CGN] 1881 census terminology > In the 1881 census for Ysbyty Ystwyth I have a family with Dwelling given as NK. What does this mean? Could it mean "Not known"? > > -- > Dewi Evans > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __ > Nachrichten, Musik und Spiele schnell und einfach per Quickstart im > WEB.DE Screensaver - Gratis downloaden: http://screensaver.web.de/?mc=021110 > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >

David Rowlands <drowlan1@bigpond.net.au> wrote: "The Glendower Hotel - Sea Front Aberystwyth, SY23 2DH".... Trouble is, I suspect this is a typo for 'GlenGower'. =================== Dear David, I think it's far more likely that Glendower is an anglicised spelling of Glyndwr, from Owain Glyndwr (Owain ap Gruffudd, ca. 1354-1417) Prince of Wales. Glyndwr held court at Harlech Castle, held parliaments at Machynlleth and Dolgellau, and was recognised by several foreign governments. Source: "Who's Who in Welsh History" by Deborah C. Fisher, published 1997 by Christopher Davies (Publishers) Ltd., Swansea. ISBN 0-7154-0731-7 Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK E-mail: wfha@clara.co.uk Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.559 / Virus Database: 351 - Release Date: 07/01/2004