I have been trying to contact one of the list's subscribers but keep getting it bounced back! I apologise for using the list in this way but it's the only way I can think of getting him the error message! John Hughes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail Delivery System" <Mailer-Daemon@btinternet.com> To: <jevanshughes@btopenworld.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:54 PM Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim). > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > pduerfel@nmu.edu > SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM:<jevanshughes@btopenworld.com> SIZE=2940: > host TRAVELLER.nmu.edu [198.110.192.45]: 550 5.7.1 <jevanshughes@btopenworld.com>... Access denied > ------ This is a copy of the headers. ------ > > Return-path: <jevanshughes@btopenworld.com> > Received: from [81.135.128.142] (helo=ibm52m6t3uhm1q) > by uranium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) > id 1Alya3-0002i3-00 > for pduerfel@nmu.edu; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:54:43 +0000 > Message-ID: <000b01c3e5f1$7eb53630$8e808751@ibm52m6t3uhm1q> > From: "John Hughes" <jevanshughes@btopenworld.com> > To: "Pryse Duerfeldt" <pduerfel@nmu.edu> > References: <4.2.0.58.20040127085543.00a72b60@pop.mail.nmu.edu> > Subject: Re: E-mail Problems

Update from Rw: ############# AOL is still blocking RootsWeb mail. We have contacted AOL to try to resolve the issues. In the meantime, AOL users should let AOL know they want RootsWeb list mail. AOL users can use the archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ to read list mail. No ETA on when this bouncing problem will be resolved. ############### Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

Thanks Ann This is an ongoing 'battle' between Rootsweb HQ and aol/freeserve. Although subscribers are encouraged to question their isp as to why THEY are rejecting Rw's mail without good reason. Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: <Anndriscoll@aol.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: [WLS-CGN] AOLl blocked e-mail > > I have asked AOL why they have blocked e-mail from Roots Web today, they > say they have reported it to their e-mail dept and for list admin's to contact : > > ttp://postmaster.info.aol.com/ > > to report the problem. > > Hope this helps > > > Ann > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ > >

Dewi, No MOLINE(A)UX marriages in this area of Cardiganshire 1813-37. Perhaps someone with access to the rest of the Dyfed Marriages might check the other counties (such as Carmarthen, for instance). From the birth year of 1766 you provided for Mary, I highly doubt she would've had a son in 1827 (Mary age 61), let alone a daughter in 1839 (Mary age 73). Strange, also, that Mary was 30 years older than her husband. Can there be some mistake in the dates you provided? If the couple died in Aberystwyth in 1866 & 1877, they may be buried at St. Michael's, Aberystwyth, or at Llanbadarn Fawr Parish Church. I would expect they'll be buried at the same place their children were baptised. You should locate the family in the 1841, 1851 & 1861 Census returns to find their birthplaces. I would also suggest you look for a will for either/both of them. The IGI also shows additional children for this couple: Another Mary, christened 8 Nov. 1829. Phoebe, chr. 5 Feb. 1832 Ann, chr. 16 Feb. 1834 Amelia Martha, chr. 10 Jan. 1836 Eliza Shelby, chr. 7 Dec. 1841 James Caldwell, chr. 22 Mar. 1843 (perhaps a clue to Mary's maiden name?) Thomas, chr. 8 Jan. 1846 Using the IGI as a tool, only, there seems to have been some concentration of the surname in Llanedi, Carmarthenshire, as well as in Flintshire, in the early 1700's. I believe the census returns are your best route. The LDS have microfilmed these and you can order them from the nearest LDS FHC. Regards, Julie Preston juliefpreston@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dewi Evans" <dewi.evans@web.de> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Molineux / Aberystwyth > Could anyone help me with the following: > > Robert Molineux, b: abt 1798, died March qtr 1866 in Aberystwyth > Mary Molineux, b: abt 1766, died Sept qtr 1877 in Aberystwyth (his wife) > > Their first child John was born in Aberystwyth in 1827, so they would have been married before then. Molineux is not a typical Cardy name, I assume they originated somewhere from the midlands. > I'm hoping for any info with regard to where and when they married, > where they originated from, > where they are buried > what occupation Robert had. > > Their daughter, Maria was christenened 13th May 1839 (Batch C090071) > > Do thes names strike a bell with anyone, or can anyone help me further? > > Thanks > -- > Dewi Evans > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dewievans/index.html > ____________________________________________________________________________ __ > Erdbeben im Iran: Zehntausende Kinder brauchen Hilfe. UNICEF hilft den > Kindern - helfen Sie mit! https://www.unicef.de/spe/spe_03.php > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Genuki Wales > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ >

Could anyone help me with the following: Robert Molineux, b: abt 1798, died March qtr 1866 in Aberystwyth Mary Molineux, b: abt 1766, died Sept qtr 1877 in Aberystwyth (his wife) Their first child John was born in Aberystwyth in 1827, so they would have been married before then. Molineux is not a typical Cardy name, I assume they originated somewhere from the midlands. I'm hoping for any info with regard to where and when they married, where they originated from, where they are buried what occupation Robert had. Their daughter, Maria was christenened 13th May 1839 (Batch C090071) Do thes names strike a bell with anyone, or can anyone help me further? Thanks --  Dewi Evans http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dewievans/index.html ______________________________________________________________________________ Erdbeben im Iran: Zehntausende Kinder brauchen Hilfe. UNICEF hilft den Kindern - helfen Sie mit! https://www.unicef.de/spe/spe_03.php

Seems timely to remind listers of some basic survival suggestions and list requirements; Aol and freeserve are bouncing Rootsweb mail again today, auto unsubs may follow. If you feel that list mail isn't getting to you please check to see which lists you are still subbed to on http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com Please don't send (re)subscribe messages before doing that, they end up in my mail box if you are still subbed, and please don't send test messages to the lists just to see if the list is still here, they are really boring. Don't open attachments you aren't expecting, even if the subject/apparent sender is familiar, the current virus attack is widespread. Check back with the sender first if in doubt. Keep your anti-virus definitions right up to date, manually today if not done automatically. Don't have the bounce spam facility switched on in Mailwasher or similar, it's a waste of time and potentially counter productive, just delete. Thanks Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html .

I have asked AOL why they have blocked e-mail from Roots Web today, they say they have reported it to their e-mail dept and for list admin's to contact : ttp://postmaster.info.aol.com/ to report the problem. Hope this helps Ann

Just testing, no mail from the list today. Ann

I would like to thank all those listers who answered my recent queries, I have found Llanbadarn Fawr on mapquest and photo's of the Parish Church Thanks Ann Ontario, Canada,

Thanks to all for replying so quickly. The reason I asked about Baptism Fiches is because in Suffolk the FHS does a marriage index but the Suffolk Record Office sells copies of BMD fiches from the Suffolk area and I was hoping that may be Cardiganshire Record Office did the same. Which would mean that I could search from home. I have been to the Llanbadarn Fawr website and thought maybe John and Margaret ROBERTS were David's mum & dad but the write up in the 'more about' section doesnt mention David as one of his children. Thank for all the links I have put them in my favourites. I have visited the Look up Exchange but because I have not got much info and not too sure where or how big Ll/Fawr is I wont ask because it seems I might be asking for a miracle. Another clue I might have is my great uncle Bills second name was Killin and if they are like my hubbys ancestors some of them used a maiden name of a mum or nan for their kids. Regards from a very icy cold (with snow tomorrow) Haverhill, Suffolk Regards Ann Visit my Website at http://snowdropsgarden.co.uk

Ann Llanbadarn Fawr is just outside Aberystwyth, to the west. There is a wealth of info. on GENUKI about the place here: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/LlanbadarnFawr/ Note also the Llanbadarn Parish and Church information here (including some census data and memorial inscriptions): http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ceredigwynd/ David Canberra > Please could sks help me. > > I have a marriage certificate for my 2 x great grand parents, they were > married in 1854 at the Parish Church, Llanbadarn Fawr, their names were Isaac > GRIFFITHS and Elizabeth THOMAS. > > I would like to know if there is a name for this Church. > > Thanks > Ann > Ontario Canada. > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gareth's Help Page > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >

Ann Rhydyfelin is just on the southern edge of Aberystwyth, just beyond Penparcau, going south. If you go to http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ and search for Rhydyfelin (and select the one in Ceredigion, because there are others!) you can see it on the map. It is very small and gets only one mention on the Aberystwyth page on GENUKI where a non-conformist chapel is referred to: Goshen [CM c1760 at Rhydyfelin]. See http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Aberystwyth/ David Canberra but once of Aberystwyth! > Please could sks tell me if there is/was a place named Rhydyfelin in CGN, I > have a marriage certificate which says my great great grand mother was living > there before she got married. > Thanks > Ann > Ontario, Canada. > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >

Ann My response to your previous email may answer some of these questions (about Llanbadarn, at least)! Hwyl David Canberra > Hello List > > Could someone tell me whether baptisms, marriage and death fiches of areas of > Cardiganshire are available for sale? > > If they are where do I order them from and how much are they? > > If they are not how do I find out about the parish of Llanbadarn fawr? > How big is it or was it between 1850 - 1880 and how I would find out where > and when my ancestors were born and who their parents were? > > Lots of questions, if you were to ask me about places in Suffolk I could give > you the answers. > > Thank you for reading this and hope you will answer. > > Ann > Suffolk > > Cardigan FHS No 495 > > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >

Ann Do you know why they moved to London or when? Could they have gone somewhere else first? Have you any idea where and when they were married? By the way, I wonder whether John Roberts, carpenter, Llanbadarn Fawr (1851 census) could be David's dad (and your great great grandfather)? There is an older Roberts next door, too. Could be HIS dad! See: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ceredigwynd/llanbfc1851.html There are Roberts memorial inscriptions and much else on this site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ceredigwynd/roberts-memorial.html> David Canberra > Hello > > I am a newcomer to this list but not to family history. > I am looking for my great great grandparents and they are proving to be very > elusive. > > On the 1901 Census my great grandparents state they were born in Aberyswyth, > Cardiganshire. > > They are David Roberts aged 46, Carpenter > Mary Roberts aged 40 > My Granddad Albert Edward Roberts aged 8, born Islington, London. > > So I send for his birth certificate. > Mary Roberts was a JONES. > > Last year I finally found them on the 1891 London Census and it says > > David Roberts aged 34, Carpenter born Llanbadarnfawr, Cardiganshire > Mary Roberts aged 30, born Llanbadarnfawr, Cardiganshire. > > I cannot find either of them on the 1881 Census, I can find lots of David > Roberts and quite a few Marys but none who I can definitely point to and say > they > are mine. > > So if someone out there has access to the 1861 or 1871 Census and can look > these ancestors up and tell me who their parents are I would be a very happy > bunny. > > Its no fun when you have got further with your husbands tree than your own. > > > Thank you > > Ann Taylor nee Roberts > Suffolk > Cardigan FHS No 495 > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ >

Hi Anne! The village and the Curch take their name from St. Padarn, the saint to whom the Church is dedicated. This magnificent old building once enjoyed almost cathedral status and the parish included the nearby town of Aberystwyth which for many years had only a small chapel (St Michael's) annexed to the parish church of Llanbadarn Fawr. My son and his wife were married there and, last year, on their 10th anniversary, they brough their younger son to St Padarn's for his baptism. Cheers Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Bishop" <mamgu@ebtech.net> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:04 AM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Llanbadarn Fawr > Please could sks help me. > > I have a marriage certificate for my 2 x great grand parents, they were married in 1854 at the Parish Church, Llanbadarn Fawr, their names were Isaac GRIFFITHS and Elizabeth THOMAS. > > I would like to know if there is a name for this Church. > > Thanks > Ann > Ontario Canada. > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gareth's Help Page > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > >

Hi Ann I suggest you check out the two FHs sites And the parish pages for Genuki. http://www.cgnfhs.org.uk/ (also your journal) http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/LlanbadarnFawr/ And of course the Ll/Fawr site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ceredigwynd/ Gareth List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html . ----- Original Message ----- From: <AnnSnowdrop@aol.com> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: [WLS-CGN] Baptism Fiches > Hello List > > Could someone tell me whether baptisms, marriage and death fiches of areas of > Cardiganshire are available for sale? > > If they are where do I order them from and how much are they? > > If they are not how do I find out about the parish of Llanbadarn fawr? > How big is it or was it between 1850 - 1880 and how I would find out where > and when my ancestors were born and who their parents were? > > Lots of questions, if you were to ask me about places in Suffolk I could give > you the answers. > > Thank you for reading this and hope you will answer. > > Ann > Suffolk > > Cardigan FHS No 495 > > > > > ==== WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Dyfed FHS > http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/ > >

Please could sks tell me if there is/was a place named Rhydyfelin in CGN, I have a marriage certificate which says my great great grand mother was living there before she got married. Thanks Ann Ontario, Canada.

Please could sks help me. I have a marriage certificate for my 2 x great grand parents, they were married in 1854 at the Parish Church, Llanbadarn Fawr, their names were Isaac GRIFFITHS and Elizabeth THOMAS. I would like to know if there is a name for this Church. Thanks Ann Ontario Canada.

Hello List Could someone tell me whether baptisms, marriage and death fiches of areas of Cardiganshire are available for sale? If they are where do I order them from and how much are they? If they are not how do I find out about the parish of Llanbadarn fawr? How big is it or was it between 1850 - 1880 and how I would find out where and when my ancestors were born and who their parents were? Lots of questions, if you were to ask me about places in Suffolk I could give you the answers. Thank you for reading this and hope you will answer. Ann Suffolk Cardigan FHS No 495

Hello I am a newcomer to this list but not to family history. I am looking for my great great grandparents and they are proving to be very elusive. On the 1901 Census my great grandparents state they were born in Aberyswyth, Cardiganshire. They are David Roberts aged 46, Carpenter Mary Roberts aged 40 My Granddad Albert Edward Roberts aged 8, born Islington, London. So I send for his birth certificate. Mary Roberts was a JONES. Last year I finally found them on the 1891 London Census and it says David Roberts aged 34, Carpenter born Llanbadarnfawr, Cardiganshire Mary Roberts aged 30, born Llanbadarnfawr, Cardiganshire. I cannot find either of them on the 1881 Census, I can find lots of David Roberts and quite a few Marys but none who I can definitely point to and say they are mine. So if someone out there has access to the 1861 or 1871 Census and can look these ancestors up and tell me who their parents are I would be a very happy bunny. Its no fun when you have got further with your husbands tree than your own. Thank you Ann Taylor nee Roberts Suffolk Cardigan FHS No 495