Richard Parsons <[email protected]> wrote: Sam (DAVIES) born March 1/4 1838.Again,hopefully,cert.on way.d.19th April 1927 Penlanogle,Aberaeron. ============ Richard, The 1881 census entry that Julie found for you showed "Penlanogle" (in the census spelt "Penlawer Ogley") to be at "Moiddyn, Llanerch Ayron, Cardigan". Davies (1967) defines "Llannerch Aeron" as being a locality in the parish of Henfynyw, at grid reference SN 4760. Studying this area on the relevant Ordnance Survey Explorer map, shows a farm named "Pen-lan-ogle" at grid reference SN 484594, about 2¾ miles south-east of Aberaeron. The properties recorded in the 1881 census adjacent to the entry for "Penlawer Ogley" correspond with those neighbouring Pen-lan-ogle on the map so I think there is no doubt that this is where your Samuel Davies died, and where he was living in 1881. Sources: Ordnance Survey Explorer (Sheet 198) published 1998, ISBN 0-319-21829-5 DAVIES, Elwyn, 1967. "A Gazetteer of Welsh Place-Names". University of Wales Press. Cardiff. ISBN 0-7083-1038-9 Regards, John ---------------------------------- John Ball, South Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm --- This message is certified virus-free by AVG Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.193 / Virus Database: 93 - Release Date: 19/09/00

Hi everyone, I'm re-posting my family interest: MORRIS family who lived in Portland Lane/Road Aberystwyth from 1860s onwards but also need your help. I'm planning a trip to Aberystwyth to visit my ggg-grandfather's grave at Llanbadarn Fawr parish church. I've spoke to the Ceredigon Archive Office but would value your opinion on whether a visit to the National Library of Wales would be useful - I can only do so much in a few days! If the NLW is worth visiting, do I need a reader's ticket or do I have to book an appointment with anyone? If so, who should I contact? Also, can anyone suggest a hotel/area that would be convenient for the archive office and Llanbadarn Fawr - I don't want to end up in the red light district or among riotous students! Grateful for any help or suggestions, Julie

Richard, I apologize for misreading your motives. I've been at this for awhile and have encountered that situation many times, so perhaps I've become a bit jaded. Please do consider what I've suggested. Perhaps some of the record offices would be willing to provide some lookups on your behalf. I live in the U.S. (almost the other side of the globe) and have conducted the bulk of my research using the LDS microfilms and have managed to take some of my Welsh lines back to people born in the late 1500's, in some cases, while other lines I'm 'stuck' at about 1800. I am pleased that you've sent for some of the certificates. It would be nice for you to have Samuel DAVIES' death certificate, as well, if you don't already have it. John Ball has shown you that the place Samuel died is the same place I've given you the 1881 Census entry for. I believe you should follow the clues in that census entry to locate everyone in previous (and 1891) returns. I don't know if you've subscribed yet to the Dyfed list, which has been in place for almost 3 years covering the counties of Cardiganshire, Carmarthenshire and Pembrokeshire, and has a greater number of people subscribed at the present time than this new Cardiganshire list. There may be someone who has easy access to a repository or LDS FHC who can help you with some of your lookups. If they use the LDS FHC on a regular basis, they could order the films you need and you could reimburse them for the fee. It's not the same as being able to peruse an entire register for yourself but it might help nail down the actual entries you need. Please let us know when you receive the certificates you've sent for and perhaps we can help you make some progress. Again, my apologies. Regards, Julie Preston [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "cker74u2c1" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 1:12 PM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] Re-Sam Davies(yet again) > Hello John and the list,including Julie, > 1) I am not basing my family history on Hearsay! but sometimes that's all we have to start with. > 2)I understand why Julie would think what she does.It did sound like I was dismissive. > 3) 1851 records are not always available to people from a different area. > 4) I know where the FHLs are,in Cardiff and Merthyr,but I may as well be living the other side of the Globe in regards to a visit to one.For various reasons. > 5) I am always prepared to do the legwork myself where and whenever possible.I however have very little spare time. > I have not written this in anger,only to try and explain. > I do thank you John and Julie and the rest of the list. > Richard >

Wife 1 unknown but possibly a Jenkins ( speculation from myself after 1891 census from Clydach with a Mother in law Ann Jenkins living with Sam and Elizabeth) Wife 2 Elizabeth Jones - they were married March 1/4 1866.Hopefully cert.on way. Wife 3 unknown - thought to be a Postmistress in Cardiganshire,possibly Aberaeron,but unsure. Sam born March 1/4 1838.Again,hopefully,cert.on way.d.19th April 1927 Penlanogle,Aberaeron. This is no longer in the hope that someone may help but in the hope of Clarifying what I originally said.I have given the impression that I hope that I can obtain my information on the backs of others,which is not the case,please believe me,and I humbly beg Julie's forgiveness. I will have to obtain my info. when and where I can at long range. Sorry again Julie Richard

Julie, I've stayed in Aberystwyth before and there are cabs available everywhere to take you to/from the NLW and/or the Ceredigion Archives, although the Archives are probably within easy walking distance from the small hotel my daughter and I stayed at once, and I would recommend them to anyone. Ever since '93, I've stayed with relatives in Montgomeryshire so haven't had another reason to stay in Aberystwyth. You'll have to contact them for current prices/availability. This was listed in Fodor's guide ('92) for Great Britain and priced as 'moderate' at the time. It's convenient to businesses and the train station, not far from the Archives (as I recall), but I would recommend taking a cab up to the NLW. (There is a small cafeteria downstairs at the NLW, but you'll want to check their opening times.) The Groves Hotel Family-owned and in the heart of town, the hotel has comfortable bedrooms with tea- and coffee-making facilities [electric kettle & instant coffee]; a paneled lounge bar; and Welsh, English, and French dishes on the menu in the Tapestry Restaurant. 44-46 North Parade Aberystwyth SY 23 2NF Telephone: 01970-617623 12 rooms with bath. I'll warn you it's an old hotel, and we laughed about the floors sloping! :-) Still, it was very nice and so was their lounge and restaurant. I think a Continental breakfast came with the room, but I don't recall for sure. (Don't try to use a hair-dryer in the bathroom electrical outlet -- I tried that already!) Try to allow *at least* one entire day for the National Library. You don't book appointments, but bring your passport for identification to obtain a reader's ticket. The form asks for your purpose -- "Genealogy" is sufficient. You'll probably want to go to the Dept. of Manuscripts and Records, where you will sign in (again) and use their outer area to peruse the card index, will indexes, etc. If you wish to read original wills or other documents, you fill out a request form there and the material will be brought to you to read in the next room. There materials on the open shelves in the reading room, as well. Beyond that room is the area that contains the GRO Indexes on microfiche (self-serve) and all of the microfilmed Bishop's Transcripts, Parish Registers, and Census Returns. I'm jealous! :-) Be sure to confirm the opening hours for the Ceredigion Archives -- I recall some odd times. There is also the Superintendent Registrar's office if you want to obtain certificates (birth/marriage/death) for events in that area --- another place with strange hours. Llanbadarn Fawr Parish Church is a wonderful place -- so much history there, and quite a graveyard to explore. (You might check with Ceredigion Archives and/or NLW to see if they have a transcript of the graves there that was done some years ago by a local school -- I think the manuscript is deposited with one of them.) I wish you a great trip! Regards, Julie Preston [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Seddon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] help please > Hi everyone, > I'm re-posting my family interest: MORRIS family who lived in Portland Lane/Road Aberystwyth from 1860s onwards but also need your help. > > I'm planning a trip to Aberystwyth to visit my ggg-grandfather's grave at Llanbadarn Fawr parish church. I've spoke to the Ceredigon Archive Office but would value your opinion on whether a visit to the National Library of Wales would be useful - I can only do so much in a few days! If the NLW is worth visiting, do I need a reader's ticket or do I have to book an appointment with anyone? If so, who should I contact? > Also, can anyone suggest a hotel/area that would be convenient for the archive office and Llanbadarn Fawr - I don't want to end up in the red light district or among riotous students! > Grateful for any help or suggestions, > > Julie >

Laura This is what I have on my Help Page CEREDIGION ,CENTRAL 21 High St, Lampeter,CGN, SA48 7BH Tel:- 01570 42255 Let me know if it isn't right in any way. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Davies" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 1:38 PM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] Telephone number - Lampeter Reg Office > Dear all,, > > Does anyone have the telephone number of the Superintendent Registrar, Mrs. > E. Roderick, at the Registrar's Office in Lampeter? I saw the address on > the site a few weeks ago but didn't make a note of it. > > Many thanks. I'd need the full number as I'd be calling from outside the > UK. > > Laura Davies. [email protected] > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > >

Hello John and the list,including Julie, 1) I am not basing my family history on Hearsay! but sometimes that's all we have to start with. 2)I understand why Julie would think what she does.It did sound like I was dismissive. 3) 1851 records are not always available to people from a different area. 4) I know where the FHLs are,in Cardiff and Merthyr,but I may as well be living the other side of the Globe in regards to a visit to one.For various reasons. 5) I am always prepared to do the legwork myself where and whenever possible.I however have very little spare time. I have not written this in anger,only to try and explain. I do thank you John and Julie and the rest of the list. Richard

Dear all,, Does anyone have the telephone number of the Superintendent Registrar, Mrs. E. Roderick, at the Registrar's Office in Lampeter? I saw the address on the site a few weeks ago but didn't make a note of it. Many thanks. I'd need the full number as I'd be calling from outside the UK. Laura Davies. [email protected] _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

This is what I know as fact(ish) :-)) 1) Samuel b.Cilcennin abt.1838:mar. X3:d.in Penlanogle,Aberaeron.1927 mar 1) ???? but possibly a Jenkins(mother in law Ann in Clydach with the fam. 1891 census at Marian st. mar.2) Elizabeth Jones b.19 April 1838.:m1866.d.?her father Richard & mother Mary(n.Edwards) were mar.in Aberystwyth 20 June 1838. mar.3)???? a postmistress? back in Aberaeron? Sam's Parents were in Farming. Sam's wife Elizabeth a Lead miner.I think I have her with children in Brynamlwg,Trefeirig,Card. Sam then pos.lodger at 103 Cardiff rd. Aberdare 1881? bearing all this in mind could I tremulously ask plllease for an 1851 census look out for Samuel in Cilcennin. Thank you Richard Parsons

Richard, I've sent you everything I have ready access to. The 1851 Census has *not* been produced (transcribed and index) in the same format as has the 1881 Census. Unless someone on this list (or the Dyfed list) just happens to have the microfilm for 1851 Cilcennin (and again, I would check the adjoining parish of Henfynyw), you'll have to order the film through the LDS and look through the parish page-by-page. My 'take', if you like, on your Samuel's scenario is this: Married to wife #1 (unknown) ca. 1860+/-. She died. Married #2 ca.1866, Aberystwyth (your date & place) to Elizabeth JONES. If she was a leadminer, there were a lot of mines in that area in the parishes of Llanbadarn Fawr and daughter chapelry of Ysbyty Cynfyn -- Cwmrheidol (Ystumteun), Llanfihangel-y-Creuddyn Uchaf, etc. Aberystwyth would've been the nearest Supt. Registrar's Office, so that is why I suggested you write to them for a marriage certificate, and also have them search for Margaret's birth certificate. (You haven't said when/where Margaret was born.) Elizabeth died before 1881. Married #3 before 1881 census to Anne ? (former postmistress) who is shown with him in 1881 at *Llannerch* Aeron (I believe your family stories have confused this parish with Aberaeron), at a farm called Penlawr Ogley Moiddyn (or something similar, as it matches the place you said he died in 1927). The children living with them in 1881 are possibly from the 2nd wife. Obtaining the birth certificates for these children from the Supt. Registrar or finding their entries in the Llannerch Aeron BT's (they go up to 1878) should tell you quite a lot. The Llannerch Aeron BT's might show the burial of Elizabeth, as well. (An alternative scenario is the Wife #1 was Elizabeth JONES, Wife #2 possibly this Anne, followed by the Postmistress, Wife #3.) You didn't mention originally that Margaret and her mother were 'lead miners'. Does this mean Margaret was a child of Elizabeth's before she married Samuel, or that her mother was a lead miner before she married and that Margaret was a lead miner when she grew up. It makes no sense for the mother and daughter to be lead miners if they had Samuel to take care of them. There's nothing to indicate the Samuel DAVIES (b.ca.1836) shown as a lodger in Aberdare is 'your' Samuel, as there's no place of birth given, while the Samuel DAVIES (b.ca.1838) shown in Llanerch Aeron was at least born in the next parish to the one you've been told and is living at the farm 'your' Samuel DAVIES later died at. I suggest you also subscribe to the Dyfed list and post your queries there, as there are many more people with resources to offer -- who knows, someone may have the 1851 census you need. Regards, Julie Preston [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "cker74u2c1" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 3:53 AM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] Re-Samuel Davies.(yes again) > This is what I know as fact(ish) :-)) > 1) Samuel b.Cilcennin abt.1838:mar. X3:d.in Penlanogle,Aberaeron.1927 > mar 1) ???? but possibly a Jenkins(mother in law Ann in Clydach with the fam. 1891 census at Marian st. > mar.2) Elizabeth Jones b.19 April 1838.:m1866.d.?her father Richard & mother Mary(n.Edwards) were mar.in Aberystwyth 20 June 1838. > mar.3)???? a postmistress? back in Aberaeron? > > Sam's Parents were in Farming. > Sam's wife Elizabeth a Lead miner.I think I have her with children in Brynamlwg,Trefeirig,Card. > Sam then pos.lodger at 103 Cardiff rd. Aberdare 1881? > bearing all this in mind could I tremulously ask plllease for an 1851 census look out for Samuel in Cilcennin. > Thank you > Richard Parsons >

----- Original Message ----- From: cker74u2c1 To: Julie Preston Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:58 AM Subject: Re-Samuel Davies Julie, I seem to have upset you with what was an unintentionally dismissive E-mail?This was not my intention.I have your info.on file and will check,if I can,that what you sent is correct for MY Samuel. There are a number of Samuels on the 1881,as you know,so I am not sure which is the correct one. As for no Documentation I am in the process of getting some.Wedding cert. first.Then if there are any available PRs for that time period,those also. What you put down on paper is not always what you mean to convey to the reader,and I did not mean to be dismissive believe me . I AM VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR INPUT. Richard Parsons

Roni Making some assumptions , with any luck you should be able to find the parents' likely marriage on the 1813-37 index of Dyfed marriages, check out the CGN page of the Lookup Exchange. It would have been useful to know the parish/hundred but I think you will find a way round that on the above. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roni" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:54 PM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] Griffith, Daniel > I'm looking for information on the families of Daniel Griffith and Sarah > Williams, found the following bio: > > OLD SOLDIERS WHO HAVE LIVED IN O'BRIEN COUNTY, IA > Compiled by Geo W. Schee and O.H. Montzheimer > 1909, Primghar, IA > > > Griffith, Daniel. Born June 21, 1829, at Cardiganshire, South Wales. Married > Sarah Williams, of his home town, November 17, 1849; children: Anna, Isaac, > David, George, Mathew and Mary. Enlisted January 28, 1865, at Lancaster, > Wis., Company K, Forty-seventh Infantry. Suffered from chronic bowel trouble > incurred while in service; discharged July 22, 1865, at Nashville, Tenn. > Settled in O'Brien County, northeast 1/4 section 8, Center Township, in > 1870. Died February 18, 1898, at Lancaster, Wis. Member Congregational > Church. > > >From their death certificates it lists Daniel's parents as Isaac & Elinor > Griffith and Sarah's parents as John & Anne Williams. Any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Roni > >

There may be newish listers who are not aware of the South/West Wales Lookup Exchange, or what it is. Old hands please bear with me. The concept is simple, volunteers [listers like you] own /have access to resource material and are prepared to do free lookups on that material. Not really an exchange at all, it's all one way ! Each LE entry has the volunteer's email address noted next to it, you send your query to that address as per the onsite instructions. There are separate county pages for CMN, CGN, PEM & GLA. Each county page has sections for Parish records, censuses, Memorial Inscriptions, Other Sources, and Books. And links to the relevant FHS and Genuki sites. There is also the All Wales page which covers items not easily allocated to a single county page. Not to forget the One Name Database which as it implies contains material relating to particular surnames. You should check this one out. Underpinning all this is my Help Page which contains general information, advice and links to more of the same as well as details of the ongoing book Indexing Project and links to the "Not everyone knows this.." sites. I would ask you all to consider what material you have and check to see whether it is on the relevant page already, and if not, to offer it for lookups. Volunteering in this way is a most enjoyable aspect of net genealogy, give it a try if you don't already. If you do, then my sincere thanks. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

Elizabeth was a Jones.I think I forgot that? Richard

All ifno.at present is hand-me-down,word of mouth. I have no documentation as yet and no confirmation of detail. I believe Elizabeth was Sam's second wife,who with him in1891 in Ystradyfodwg. His first wife could possibly have been a Jenkins,via moth in law Ann Jenkins living with them in Clydach. Apparently he moved back to Aberaeron,where he married his third wife,a postmistress,hopefully after the death of Elizabeth. Elizabeth's Parents were Richard and Mary(nee Edwards)Aberystwyth. She was a lead miner as was her daughter Margaret. Unfortunately I am unable to get to either Cardiff or Merthyr for a long time so will not be able to follow through your suggestion of BT's. Thanks anyway. Richard

Since I have just spent some time "tidying up" the separate index online pages it seems as good a time as any to summarise for you the state of play with the book Indexing Project which has been going for nearly 2 years now. There are 68 completed indexes and 14 still being done. The breakdown is [ C=complete, U=unfinished] GLA ; C 36, U 6 CGN; C10, U 5 CMN; C 13, U 1 PEM ; C 3, U 0 Wales: C 6, U 2 The detailed list is on my Help Page. I would ask anyone who is now *unlikely * to complete any index they have agreed to do to inspect the list today and tell me so I can remove the entry if that is what they would like, with absolutely no grief from me :-). I am personally now an indexing addict and expect to carry on until I run out of books, unlikely to happen, or my eye sight fails completely, much more likely ! I naturally hope that some of you will feel the same way and perhaps agree to produce an index from a book you own or can borrow. Local history type books with lots of personal names are favourite, it is even possible to do un-translated Welsh books with a minimum of familiarity with the language. It isn't totally essential for a book to go on the Lookup Exchange if that is a problem area, there are some there now which aren't. Contact me off line if you are interested and have a possible book in mind, we can then discuss and deal with any copyright concerns you may have. If a book relates to CGN or CMN then I transfer the index itself into the Genuki system [where it will live on for ever presumably], I dare say Pem will do likewise when a new co-ordinator takes it over from Brian Randell, and GLA might if I can persuade Phil Mustoe to spend his limited available time making the required switches. I would like to take the opportunity to thank everyone who has taken part in this most successful project run between the Dyfed and Glamorgan lists. And any who are still beavering quietly away out there ! Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

Richard, Since all of your information is undocumented, I assume you've not sent away for any of the birth/marriage/death certificates for the people you've mentioned. I spent considerable time and effort in putting together the information in my previous reply, based on the information you provided. You seem to want to stick to the 'word of mouth' stories and have barely acknowledged (seemingly dismissed) what I've sent you with a "Thanks anyway". In my experience, family stories often turn out to be erroneous when one is faced with the facts. (Do you really believe that's a *different* Samuel DAVIES living at the same farm, born at the same time, where your Samuel DAVIES died?) I thought you posted your query in order to be able to begin your research but, since you now you say you're unable to go to Cardiff or Merthyr T, it's apparent that I was mistaken and can only suppose you're looking for others to supply you with your pedigree. If that's the case, I suggest you contact a professional researcher to conduct your research for a fee. Good luck. Julie Preston [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "cker74u2c1" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 2:31 PM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] Re-Samuel Davis > All ifno.at present is hand-me-down,word of mouth. > I have no documentation as yet and no confirmation of detail. > I believe Elizabeth was Sam's second wife,who with him in1891 in Ystradyfodwg. > His first wife could possibly have been a Jenkins,via moth in law Ann Jenkins living with them in Clydach. > Apparently he moved back to Aberaeron,where he married his third wife,a postmistress,hopefully after the death of Elizabeth. > Elizabeth's Parents were Richard and Mary(nee Edwards)Aberystwyth. > She was a lead miner as was her daughter Margaret. > Unfortunately I am unable to get to either Cardiff or Merthyr for a long time so will not be able to follow through your suggestion of BT's. > Thanks anyway. > Richard >

I'm looking for information on the families of Daniel Griffith and Sarah Williams, found the following bio: OLD SOLDIERS WHO HAVE LIVED IN O'BRIEN COUNTY, IA Compiled by Geo W. Schee and O.H. Montzheimer 1909, Primghar, IA Griffith, Daniel. Born June 21, 1829, at Cardiganshire, South Wales. Married Sarah Williams, of his home town, November 17, 1849; children: Anna, Isaac, David, George, Mathew and Mary. Enlisted January 28, 1865, at Lancaster, Wis., Company K, Forty-seventh Infantry. Suffered from chronic bowel trouble incurred while in service; discharged July 22, 1865, at Nashville, Tenn. Settled in O'Brien County, northeast 1/4 section 8, Center Township, in 1870. Died February 18, 1898, at Lancaster, Wis. Member Congregational Church. >From their death certificates it lists Daniel's parents as Isaac & Elinor Griffith and Sarah's parents as John & Anne Williams. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Roni

Richard, What is your source for the details of Elizabeth JONES? (i.e., birth & marriage certificates, census returns? Parish registers?) If Elizabeth was born (and living in Aberystwyth at the time of the marriage), it was common to marry in the bride's home parish. By 1866, it was also not uncommon for people to marry at the Supt. Registrar's Office, Aberystwyth. Have you obtained this marriage certificate? Have you obtained Margaret's birth certificate? I searched the 1881 Census Index for all Samuel DAVIES who were born in Cardiganshire ca. 1838. This appears to be your Samuel DAVIES in the 1881 Census, even though the farm name differs a bit from the one you stated, "Penlanogle,Aberaeron" (either you've got it wrong or the 1881 transcription here is wrong.). Note that Samuel's birthplace is stated as Henfenyw (actually, it's Henfynyw). All 3 parishes (Llannerch Aeron, Henfynyw and Cilcennin) are all situated quite closely geographically. Also, Anne's birthplace is probably Llanarth, another nearby parish (and probably where he married her). 1881 Dwelling: Penlawer Ogley Moiddyn Census Place: Llanerch Ayron, Cardigan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342310 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5443 Folio 19 Page 2 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Samuel DAVIES M 42 M Henfenyw, Cardigan, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Of 59 Acres Anne DAVIES M 43 F Cenarth, Cardigan, Wales Rel: Wife Occ: Farmer Wife Eliza A. DAVIES U 10 F Llanerchayron, Cardigan, Wales Rel: Daugh Occ: Scholar Mary DAVIES 8 F Llanerchayron, Cardigan, Wales Rel: Daugh Occ: Scholar David DUDLEY U 54 M (British Subject), Cardigan, Wales Rel: Labourer Occ: Agr Labourer David ENOCH U 13 M Llanerchayron, Cardigan, Wales Rel: Servant Occ: Domestic Servant Ag Lab I would suggest you order the microfilm of the BT's for all 3 parishes in order to find all of the relative entries for Samuel and his family, as well as the earlier census returns (they were obviously at the same place in 1871 as the 10-year-old was born there). It remains to be seen whether the 2nd wife was still alive in 1871 and these are her children or the children of the 3rd wife. Where your Margaret was in 1881, I don't know. You haven't said when and where she was born. There are a number of Margaret DAVIES who were servants in the area in 1881 and born ca. 1866+/-. If you can give me more information about her, I should be able to find her. Here's one possibility in Glamorganshire, although it would mean the marriage of her parents might've been 1865 or 1866, but she was b. Aberystwyth and living in Ystradyfadog, 2 places in common with your information: 1881 Census Dwelling: Pontrhondda Farm Census Place: Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342277 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5305 Folio 4 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Richard EVANS M 70 M Rhondda Valley Rel: Head Occ: Farmer 79 Acres Gwen L. EVANS M 35 F Cwm Dalis Ystradgynlais, Brecknock, Wales Rel: Wife Lolwick EVANS U 12 M Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Christmas EVANS U 10 M Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Margret EVANS U 8 F Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Oliver EVANS U 1 M Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Elizabeth COSLETT U 23 F Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Servant Occ: Dairy Maid (Ag Lab) Margret DAVIES U 16 F Aberystwyth Rel: Servant Occ: Nurse (Dom) I would also obtain the microfiche (also from the LDS) for the 1891 census for the parish of Llannerch Aeron and see who was living at this farm, since he lived here and died here. It makes no sense for Samuel to have left this place and live in the Rhondda in 1891. I suspect that entry you've been told about is incorrect. If you haven't done so already, I suggest you explore the GENUKI pages for Cardiganshire and also check the specific parishes in these pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/ This will give you a better idea of what may be available to you. Hope this helps. Regards, Julie Preston [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "cker74u2c1" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:40 AM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] Samuel Davies > Samuel Davies was born in Cilcennin?abt.1838 and married 3 times. > 1). ???? > 2). Elizabeth Jones b.19-4-1838 (Aberystwyth ?)m.??. Father Richard b.1805?d.1856?.mo.Mary Edwards b.1817? d.???mar.20-6-1838. > 3). ???? but a postmistress in Penlanogle,Aberaeron??Sam died here in 1927 on 14th July. > 1891 census has Sam in 81 Marian st.Clydach,Rhondda.(so I've been told).and M-i-L Ann Jenkins age 78 is living with him.(1st wife's mo.?) > 1881 there is a good fit at 373 Cardiff rd.Aberdare.Another at Penlawer Ogley Moiddyn but unsure of any on census at present. > Sam's family were in Farming I have been told. > If you can help with anything Julie,or anyone else ,I would be eternally grateful. > Richard >

Samuel Davies was born in Cilcennin?abt.1838 and married 3 times. 1). ???? 2). Elizabeth Jones b.19-4-1838 (Aberystwyth ?)m.??. Father Richard b.1805?d.1856?.mo.Mary Edwards b.1817? d.???mar.20-6-1838. 3). ???? but a postmistress in Penlanogle,Aberaeron??Sam died here in 1927 on 14th July. 1891 census has Sam in 81 Marian st.Clydach,Rhondda.(so I've been told).and M-i-L Ann Jenkins age 78 is living with him.(1st wife's mo.?) 1881 there is a good fit at 373 Cardiff rd.Aberdare.Another at Penlawer Ogley Moiddyn but unsure of any on census at present. Sam's family were in Farming I have been told. If you can help with anything Julie,or anyone else ,I would be eternally grateful. Richard