The practice of sending list queries to the sender *only* is one that occurs on all lists that I am on, including those covering Dyfed. For the sake of saying so, if we do this then several things may happen; <other listers are deprived of the opportunity to read/digest it, and ask supplementaries perhaps, so a thread doesn't develop. <if a response off list is incomplete or even incorrect then someone gets mislead. We are all capable of gettting it wrong on occasion, I personally take comfort that someone will pick up on any of my blunders ! <the list appears to be unresponsive, and suffers for it when new listers leave having got the wrong impression of how helpful a list really is. Or are inhibited from asking at all if other people apparently don't get a reply. I could go on and on but I think the point is made :-) Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html

Gareth, I completely agree with you and make it a practice to use the "Reply All" method so it always goes to the list and to the individual I'm replying to. I think there are people who subscribe to the list in 'mail' mode and wonder why they receive the message twice. This only happens if they're the individual the reply is addressed to, plus they receive it via the list. There are so many people who benefit from watching the exchanges between others, even though it won't specifically deal with their particular area/surname of interest. Best regards, Julie Preston [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <W/[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 9:58 AM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] Off list responses > The practice of sending list queries to the sender *only* is one that occurs > on all lists that I am on, including those covering Dyfed. > For the sake of saying so, if we do this then several things may happen; > > <other listers are deprived of the opportunity to read/digest it, and ask > supplementaries perhaps, so a thread doesn't develop. > > <if a response off list is incomplete or even incorrect then someone gets > mislead. We are all capable of gettting it wrong on occasion, I personally > take comfort that someone will pick up on any of my blunders ! > > <the list appears to be unresponsive, and suffers for it when new listers > leave having got the wrong impression of how helpful a list really is. Or > are inhibited from asking at all if other people apparently don't get a > reply. > > I could go on and on but I think the point is made :-) > > Gareth > List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. > Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html > Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html > >

Thanks to Gareth's advice I have received some valuable information from the Ceredigion Archive Service. Can anyone please tell me where to write for certificates for births and marriages from Llanbadarn Parish Church for the year 1814? Also, have you any idea how much it will cost? Thanks for all your help, Julie

Julie, Civil Registration didn't begin until July 1837, so events prior to that are only recorded in the parish registers and/or Bishop's Transcripts. No "certificates" for those events are issued. The best you can do is to obtain a photocopy of the entries. Regards, Julie Preston [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Seddon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 4:55 PM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] address please > Thanks to Gareth's advice I have received some valuable information from the Ceredigion Archive Service. Can anyone please tell me where to write for certificates for births and marriages from Llanbadarn Parish Church for the year 1814? Also, have you any idea how much it will cost? > Thanks for all your help, > > Julie > >

Greetings, I am seeking birth/christening information about my gr gr grandfather John HUGHES, . The dates I have are 28 Feb, 1793 for birth. I would like to find out just where he was born, and the names of his parents, and any other information anyone can give me. He emigrated to the U.S. before 1830 and resided in Pennsylvania, before going to Ohio. Thanks, Ann Atherton , from Ohio, U.S.

I have just received a marriage certificate, but can't read the spouse's family name; is there anyone on the List who could decipher it? Her first names are Beatrice Evelyn Mary. Her father's first name is Robert (photographer, deceased) Her family name _looks like_ SLINGOLY; I'm fairly sure the SLIN- - -Y is right, but can't be 100% confident. The marriage took place in Goshen(sp?) Chapel, Aberystwyth in 1902. I have searched the 1881 census (using v3), to no avail. Even searching on the residence (Piercefield Penparke) doesn't solve my query ;-( Any assistance warmly welcomed, Regards, Julian Berry Sussex PS She married a Henry Edward William CULLIFORD

Gareth, Just received the latest CGN FHS Journal and was reading with interest the article on the GENUKI pages. As I read, I wondered what prompted someone (Eddie Heaton?) to do such an in-depth article now on the GENUKI pages....a few paragraphs into it I began "recognizing" the author --- of course! None other than our very own Gareth Hicks! It's a very good thing they decided to use your article for this Journal --- apart from the excellent content of the article itself, it helped fill up a couple of pages in an already sparse issue! :-) I confess to being one of those people who has a lot of material to contribute in the way of articles relating to the parishes/families in N. Cardiganshire --- just hope I can compose something in time for the next Journal. Well done, Gareth! Julie Preston [email protected]

Julian, Using v3 of the 1881 Census, I did a search for photographers --- could this be the family (you didn't mention how old Beatrice was -- perhaps not born by 1881)? Dwelling: Dimond Street 2 Census Place: Pembroke St Mary, Pembroke, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342303 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5412 Folio 6 Page 6 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Sarah A. MIDDLETON M 38 F Sussex, England Rel: Head Occ: Photographer Laura TRINDALL U 17 F Pem Dock, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Daughter Occ: Photographers Daughter Edith TRINDALL U 15 F Pem Dock, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Daughter Occ: Photographers Daughter Arthur J. TRINDALL 13 M Pem Dock, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Gustavious TRINDALL 11 M Pem Dock, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Hugh F. TRINDALL 6 M Pem Dock, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar and another possibility, based on the sound of the surname -- this Beatrice's father was obviously deceased and her mother remarried: Dwelling: Main St Census Place: Pembroke St Mary, Pembroke, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342303 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5411 Folio 8 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William JONES M 40 M Pembroke, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Merchant Elizabeth JONES M 44 F Pembroke, Wales Rel: Wife Edward B. SANDWELL OR SAUDWELL U 16 M Liverpool Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Frances A. SANDWELL OR SAUDWELL U 14 F Preston Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Beatrice E. SANDWELL OR SAUDWELL U 13 F Preston Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar William P. JONES U 3 M Pembroke, Wales Rel: Son Emma JOHN U 19 F Pembroke, Wales Rel: Serv Occ: Servant Julie Preston [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian J Berry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:52 AM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] Unusual name ... > I have just received a marriage certificate, but can't read the spouse's > family name; is there anyone on the List who could decipher it? > > Her first names are Beatrice Evelyn Mary. Her father's first name is Robert > (photographer, deceased) > Her family name _looks like_ SLINGOLY; I'm fairly sure the SLIN- - -Y is > right, but can't be 100% confident. The marriage took place in Goshen(sp?) > Chapel, Aberystwyth in 1902. > > I have searched the 1881 census (using v3), to no avail. Even searching on > the residence (Piercefield Penparke) doesn't solve my query ;-( > > Any assistance warmly welcomed, > > Regards, > > Julian Berry > Sussex > > PS She married a Henry Edward William CULLIFORD >

Melanie, Suggest you check out the GENUKI pages for Cardiganshire at: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/index.html This will give you a thorough idea of what types of records are available. Please note also that the LDS (Mormons) have microfilmed all of the UK Census returns (1841 - 1891) and the Bishop's Transcripts of the parish registers (those that have survived). You can order these and a lot of other materials from the nearest LDS Family History Center. Gareth's Help Pages are chock-full of information: http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html also the South/West Wales Lookup Exchange Pages (check CGN & All Wales): http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html The 1841 census was the earliest census that named individuals. Regards, Julie Preston [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Burden" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] Llandygwydd > Hi List > I am new to the list,I have traced my gggrandparents back to Troedyrhiwfergam, Llandygwydd, Cardigan. > They are in the 1881 census, Evan & Frances Davies, They had 4 children,1.James 2. Margaret or Marged 3. Owen ,I think he emmigrated? 4.Samuel , not sure if he emmigrated also? > Can anyone do a look up for me for the marriage of Evan Davies born 18332/3 Llandygwydd, & Frances ? born 1832/3 Llanddygwydd.And is it possible to find who lived at the above address from 1831 onwards. > > Pob hwyl i Dydd Gwyl Dewi > Diolch yn fawr > Melanie > >

Thanks to everyone for their helpful suggestions and comments. It does tend to gee you up when you get depressed that you are getting nowhere! I have sent out some emails and am now hopeful there will be new leads. Thanks again everyone, julie seddon

Fwd for Hugh who is not a subscriber. Thanks for the thought Hugh. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Wallis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: The wrong John VAUGHAN > Dear List Admin > > I am not a subscriber to this list but this might be of interest to your > listers. Please would you forward it to the list. Thanks > > Failing miserably to find the first marriage of my John VAUGHAN, Railway > Worker, Brecon and Monmouthshire, I ended up obtaining the marriage > certificate of John VAUGHAN to Mary JOHN at Newport Bethlehem Baptist > Chapel, Cardiganshire, 12th October 1865. > > Does anyone have a use for this certificate? > > Thanks > > Hugh > >

Hugh, Your unwanted certificate would probably be welcome on a couple of websites: http://www.recyclegen.com/ Recyclegen and http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Free Births/Marriages/Deaths Having said that reminds me that I have a number of irrelevant certificates and wills I should also contribute! :-) Regards, Julie Preston [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <W/[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] Fw: The wrong John VAUGHAN > Fwd for Hugh who is not a subscriber. > Thanks for the thought Hugh. > > Gareth > List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. > Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html > Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hugh Wallis" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 1:47 PM > Subject: The wrong John VAUGHAN > > > > Dear List Admin > > > > I am not a subscriber to this list but this might be of interest to your > > listers. Please would you forward it to the list. Thanks > > > > Failing miserably to find the first marriage of my John VAUGHAN, Railway > > Worker, Brecon and Monmouthshire, I ended up obtaining the marriage > > certificate of John VAUGHAN to Mary JOHN at Newport Bethlehem Baptist > > Chapel, Cardiganshire, 12th October 1865. > > > > Does anyone have a use for this certificate? > > > > Thanks > > > > Hugh > > > > >

Hi List I am new to the list,I have traced my gggrandparents back to Troedyrhiwfergam, Llandygwydd, Cardigan. They are in the 1881 census, Evan & Frances Davies, They had 4 children,1.James 2. Margaret or Marged 3. Owen ,I think he emmigrated? 4.Samuel , not sure if he emmigrated also? Can anyone do a look up for me for the marriage of Evan Davies born 18332/3 Llandygwydd, & Frances ? born 1832/3 Llanddygwydd.And is it possible to find who lived at the above address from 1831 onwards. Pob hwyl i Dydd Gwyl Dewi Diolch yn fawr Melanie

I overlooked sending the message below to this list yesterday . Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <W/[email protected]> To: "Dyfed" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 3:19 PM Subject: Rootsweb planned downtime imminent > A message from Rootsweb; > > "Starting at 8 a.m. PST Friday, February 23, RootsWeb will begin a planned > temporary downtime for maintenance of its servers and hosting process. It > will limit this downtime as much as possible, and will return with increased > performance and reliability for future growth." > > Someone on the Listowner's E&W list has added ; > > "The news from the Staff is that the downtime may be of the order of 24 > hours ! In other words 4pm GMT until 4pm GMT on Saturday" > > Gareth > List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. > Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html > Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html > >

Have just subscribed to the list and seen the recent messages about Culliford. There is a reference to Frank Culliford in the brief piece about Aberystwyth photographers by Mrs Shirley Williams in Jun 2000 issue of the Journal of CHT Ceredigion, page 113. Mr and Mrs Culliford were neighbours of my Nain and Taid (Mr and Mrs D J Williams) who lived in Henblas, Llanbadarn Fawr. The Cullifords lived in one of two bungalows that had been built in the grounds of Henblas. Although the old house of Henblas, was demolished circa 1966 the bungalows were still there the last time I looked, a couple of years ago - but empty and derelict. I remember Mr Culliford well. He had a jolly round face and distinctive style of dress - always in tweeds and plus-fours, as well as a particular way of speaking. His 'English' accent sounded very posh to us urchins. He was a gentleman in every way and would always greet us children whenever we saw him. He had a very 'rich' voice (which reminds me rather of Donald Sinden) - I can hear him speaking in my mind now - such was the impression he made on me. There is an excellent likeness of Mr Culliford in a group photograph of village worthies taken in 1939 and this is just how I remember him around 1950. This photo is Plate XXVII in E G Bowen's History of Llanbadarn Fawr. I would expect that details of the Cullifords could be verified by a search of the electoral registers of Llanbadarn held at NLW. Peter G Williams Bedfordshire, UK _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Hello, I am looking for anyone who may be able to help me find further information on the following people. Charles Everett Jenkins b. abt.1857 Cardiganshire, Wales. G.B., son of William and Mary Jenkins. Charles was a miner from Cardiganshire, Wales. His son Herbert Byron Jenkins born in Nova Scotia was my grandfather. The names William and Mary Jenkins were listed as parents on Charles' marriage certificate. I wish I had more to go on but unfortunately I do not. Thank you, Paul Harmon Box 9 Petite Riviere Lunenburg County, Nova Scotia Canada B0J 2P0 [email protected]

Paul, I checked the 1881 Census Index (previous census years have *not* been indexed) and failed to find your Charles (Everett) JENKINS b.ca. 1857 Cardiganshire, so presume he had already emigrated by that time. The only suggestion (and the most direct route for you) I can make with no parish/village to go on would be for you to order his birth certificate directly from the Superintendant Registrar's offices covering Cardiganshire. There are 3, so you could write to them one by one requesting they search using the parameters you've mentioned (ask for a couple of years either side of 1857). Details and addresses can be found on the GENUKI pages for Cardiganshire: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/ I wouldn't limit the request to a person with the middle name of Everett --- he might've added that after he emigrated as so many Welsh did in those days. Ask for *any* Charles JENKINS b.ca. 1857 in Cardiganshire with parents William & Mary. This will give you his native parish and the place his parents were living, as well as his mother's maiden name and you'll be able to proceed with your research from there. Regards, Julie Preston [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Harmon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:32 PM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] JENKINS > Hello, > I am looking for anyone who may be able to help me find further information > on the following people. > Charles Everett Jenkins b. abt.1857 Cardiganshire, Wales. G.B., son of > William and Mary Jenkins. > Charles was a miner from Cardiganshire, Wales. His son Herbert Byron Jenkins > born in Nova Scotia was my grandfather. > The names William and Mary Jenkins were listed as parents on Charles' > marriage certificate. > I wish I had more to go on but unfortunately I do not. > > Thank you, > Paul Harmon > Box 9 Petite Riviere > Lunenburg County, > Nova Scotia > Canada > B0J 2P0 > [email protected] > > >

Julie Ty yr helyg translates as "House of the willows", so I think it is a house/farm. Check out the CGN page of the Lookup Exchange, Ceredigion Archives have the Benjamin census indexes and will look something up for you. Gareth List Administrator for Dyfed, CGN & PEM. Lookup Exchange http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/lookup.html Help Page http://www.johngareth.freeserve.co.uk/hicks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Seddon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] help with placename > Please can anyone help with a placename? On the 1843 marriage certificate of my 3xggrandfather his residence is very difficult to read. There are four words: Ty y?? yn (or yr) helyg. They were married at the parish church of Llanbadarn Fawr and the address of his wife was Great Dark Gate St, Abderystwyth. I have had no luck with the 1841 census or any maps. Is it possible it was the name of a farm or house as his occupation was labourer? > Thank for any suggestions, > > Julie > >

Please can anyone help with a placename? On the 1843 marriage certificate of my 3xggrandfather his residence is very difficult to read. There are four words: Ty y?? yn (or yr) helyg. They were married at the parish church of Llanbadarn Fawr and the address of his wife was Great Dark Gate St, Abderystwyth. I have had no luck with the 1841 census or any maps. Is it possible it was the name of a farm or house as his occupation was labourer? Thank for any suggestions, Julie

Hi Julie, Do I take it that both bride and groom were "of this parish", so that "Tyy??yn (or yr) helyg" is, presumably, somewhere in the parish of Llanbadarn Fawr? Julie Preston [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Seddon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: [WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE] help with placename > Please can anyone help with a placename? On the 1843 marriage certificate of my 3xggrandfather his residence is very difficult to read. There are four words: Ty y?? yn (or yr) helyg. They were married at the parish church of Llanbadarn Fawr and the address of his wife was Great Dark Gate St, Abderystwyth. I have had no luck with the 1841 census or any maps. Is it possible it was the name of a farm or house as his occupation was labourer? > Thank for any suggestions, > > Julie > >