Hi My great grandfather, Ellis Lloyd Williams, was born Aug 7, 1828 in Penmachno. He died Dec 18, 1914 & was buried in St. Tudclud Church Cemetery. His abode for most of his life was "Four Crosses" in Penmachno. His occupation was draper & master tailor. New information received from a cousin, has prompted me to order in the BTs of the Penmachno parish church (St. Tudclud) from Salt Lake. About 10 years ago, I visited The National Library of Wales & looked at original Penmachno parish records. Much of the info that I found on the records at The Library is not included on the Mormon film. I will be visiting Wales next year. Can someone tell me what Penmachno records (particularly PRs or BTs) are currently held by The Library. I've also been told that Owen Gethin Jones wrote a history of Penmachno in the late 1860's and it appeared in a book of his work published after his death. In one part he lists notable events in the parish and includes the following: "1833 The first person to die in the slate quarries was John Jones, brother of Bleddyn Jones and Ellis Williams, Tailor and Draper. By today 17 have suffered the same fate." On July 25 1813, John son of William and Gwen Richard was baptised at St. Tudclud. Some of the children used the mother's surname of Jones; while others switched to Williams after their father - William Richard/Prichard. I believe that I found John Jones' in The Memorial Inscriptions of The Tabor Chapel booklet published by the Gwynedd FHS. Er cof am / JOHN mab Wm a GWEN JONES / a gladdwyd Chwefror 10 1834 / oed 21 I'm interested in learning more about the accident that killed John. What records would be available about slate quarries & deaths? Where would I find these records? If anyone comes across a book entitled something like "Some Old Characters of Penmachno", I'm interested in buying a copy. I would prefer the English version; but I would settle for the Welsh version. Any help will be greatly appreciated Pat Williams :-) Toronto, Canada

Hello Pat Most of your query re Parish Register and possibly the full title of book you seek may be found on the GENUKI for Caernarfonshire under Penmachno parish.Re the quarry accident it may that the quarry records from that early stage do not exist but, you never know. Possibly the best place for that is Gwynedd Archives at Caernarfon whose site you will find via Google. Hope it helps Hywyn Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Williams" <[email protected]> > Hi > > My great grandfather, Ellis Lloyd Williams, was born Aug 7, 1828 in Penmachno. He died Dec 18, 1914 & was buried in St. Tudclud Church Cemetery. His abode for most of his life was "Four Crosses" in Penmachno. His occupation was draper & master tailor. New information received from a cousin, has prompted me to order in the BTs of the Penmachno parish church (St. Tudclud) from Salt Lake. > > About 10 years ago, I visited The National Library of Wales & looked at original Penmachno parish records. Much of the info that I found on the records at The Library is not included on the Mormon film. I will be visiting Wales next year. Can someone tell me what Penmachno records (particularly PRs or BTs) are currently held by The Library. > > I've also been told that Owen Gethin Jones wrote a history of Penmachno in the late 1860's and it appeared in a book of his work published after his death. In one part he lists notable events in the parish and includes the following: > > "1833 The first person to die in the slate quarries was John Jones, brother of Bleddyn Jones and Ellis Williams, Tailor and Draper. By today 17 have suffered the same fate." > > On July 25 1813, John son of William and Gwen Richard was baptised at St. Tudclud. Some of the children used the mother's surname of Jones; while others switched to Williams after their father - William Richard/Prichard. I believe that I found John Jones' in The Memorial Inscriptions of The Tabor Chapel booklet published by the Gwynedd FHS. > > Er cof am / JOHN mab Wm a GWEN JONES / a gladdwyd Chwefror 10 1834 / oed 21 > > I'm interested in learning more about the accident that killed John. What records would be available about slate quarries & deaths? Where would I find these records? > > If anyone comes across a book entitled something like "Some Old Characters of Penmachno", I'm interested in buying a copy. I would prefer the English version; but I would settle for the Welsh version. > > Any help will be greatly appreciated > > Pat Williams :-) > Toronto, Canada > > >

Hi, There are few records for quarrymen. I've seen some records of pay and meetings, and have spent hours searching for my great grandfather's quarry death, to no avail. He worked the Penrhyn Quarry in Bethesda, as did my grandfather and uncles. In fact, I still have a cousin working the quarry as a driver. Let me know if you find any records. I'd love to know where you found them. Oh, the National Library has every record. It's a great place as everything is there. So many records, so little time! :o) Good luck, Arlene Berta > Hello Pat > Most of your query re Parish Register and possibly the full title of book > you seek may be found on the GENUKI for Caernarfonshire under Penmachno > parish.Re the quarry accident it may that the quarry records from that > early > stage do not exist but, you never know. Possibly the best place for that > is > Gwynedd Archives at Caernarfon whose site you will find via Google. > Hope it helps > Hywyn Williams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Williams" <[email protected]> > >> Hi >> >> My great grandfather, Ellis Lloyd Williams, was born Aug 7, 1828 in > Penmachno. He died Dec 18, 1914 & was buried in St. Tudclud Church > Cemetery. > His abode for most of his life was "Four Crosses" in Penmachno. His > occupation was draper & master tailor. New information received from a > cousin, has prompted me to order in the BTs of the Penmachno parish church > (St. Tudclud) from Salt Lake. >> >> About 10 years ago, I visited The National Library of Wales & looked at > original Penmachno parish records. Much of the info that I found on the > records at The Library is not included on the Mormon film. I will be > visiting Wales next year. Can someone tell me what Penmachno records > (particularly PRs or BTs) are currently held by The Library. >> >> I've also been told that Owen Gethin Jones wrote a history of Penmachno >> in > the late 1860's and it appeared in a book of his work published after his > death. In one part he lists notable events in the parish and includes the > following: >> >> "1833 The first person to die in the slate quarries was John Jones, > brother of Bleddyn Jones and Ellis Williams, Tailor and Draper. By today > 17 have suffered the same fate." >> >> On July 25 1813, John son of William and Gwen Richard was baptised at >> St. > Tudclud. Some of the children used the mother's surname of Jones; while > others switched to Williams after their father - William Richard/Prichard. > I > believe that I found John Jones' in The Memorial Inscriptions of The Tabor > Chapel booklet published by the Gwynedd FHS. >> >> Er cof am / JOHN mab Wm a GWEN JONES / a gladdwyd Chwefror 10 1834 / oed > 21 >> >> I'm interested in learning more about the accident that killed John. >> What > records would be available about slate quarries & deaths? Where would I > find > these records? >> >> If anyone comes across a book entitled something like "Some Old >> Characters > of Penmachno", I'm interested in buying a copy. I would prefer the English > version; but I would settle for the Welsh version. >> >> Any help will be greatly appreciated >> >> Pat Williams :-) >> Toronto, Canada >> >> >> > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > English are welcome > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

The book by Owen Gethin Jones is called 'Gweithiau Gethin: sef casgliad o holl weithiau barddonol a llenyddol y diweddar O Gethin Jones, Ysw, Tyddyn Cethin, Penmachno, 1884. The book is over 400 pages long though about half is poetry. The most valuable part is an essay within it entitled 'Hanes Penmachno' together with two others called 'Hanes Plwyf Dolwyddelan' and 'Ysbytty Ifan a'i hynafiaethau' plus some other interesting essays and letters. I've never heard of an English version of it. Vivian Parry Williams in 2000 published a book on Gethin Jones entitled 'Owen Gethin Jones: ei fywyd a'i feiau' Gwasg Carreg Gwalch, Llanrwst , ISBN: 0863816657 £6.00 (in print) and Vivian also has a book on the history of Penmachno, also in Welsh, entitled 'Plwyf Penmachno' 1996 0863814271 (it was privately published and is not listed on gwales www.gwales.com the website of titles of relevance to Wales but can be found in the web catalogue of the public libraries of Conwy, Gwynedd and Isle of Anglesey http://talisweb.talnet.gov.uk ). I'm not sure the latter is still in print but could find out from the author if required. He is extremely knowledgeable about the parish. Rhian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: [CAE] Penmachno > Hi > > My great grandfather, Ellis Lloyd Williams, was born Aug 7, 1828 in Penmachno. He died Dec 18, 1914 & was buried in St. Tudclud Church Cemetery. His abode for most of his life was "Four Crosses" in Penmachno. His occupation was draper & master tailor. New information received from a cousin, has prompted me to order in the BTs of the Penmachno parish church (St. Tudclud) from Salt Lake. > > About 10 years ago, I visited The National Library of Wales & looked at original Penmachno parish records. Much of the info that I found on the records at The Library is not included on the Mormon film. I will be visiting Wales next year. Can someone tell me what Penmachno records (particularly PRs or BTs) are currently held by The Library. > > I've also been told that Owen Gethin Jones wrote a history of Penmachno in the late 1860's and it appeared in a book of his work published after his death. In one part he lists notable events in the parish and includes the following: > > "1833 The first person to die in the slate quarries was John Jones, brother of Bleddyn Jones and Ellis Williams, Tailor and Draper. By today 17 have suffered the same fate." > > On July 25 1813, John son of William and Gwen Richard was baptised at St. Tudclud. Some of the children used the mother's surname of Jones; while others switched to Williams after their father - William Richard/Prichard. I believe that I found John Jones' in The Memorial Inscriptions of The Tabor Chapel booklet published by the Gwynedd FHS. > > Er cof am / JOHN mab Wm a GWEN JONES / a gladdwyd Chwefror 10 1834 / oed 21 > > I'm interested in learning more about the accident that killed John. What records would be available about slate quarries & deaths? Where would I find these records? > > If anyone comes across a book entitled something like "Some Old Characters of Penmachno", I'm interested in buying a copy. I would prefer the English version; but I would settle for the Welsh version. > > Any help will be greatly appreciated > > Pat Williams :-) > Toronto, Canada > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwynedd Family History Society > www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I did a search on the Gwynedd Council Site and found a book on the deaths of quarrymen. I can't remember who was questioning how to find out about them, but thought I'd send this. Arlene Berta "The North Wales Quarry Hospitals and the Health and Welfare of the Quarrymen" Dr Edward Davies