Hi Glyn, I hope this is what you're looking for :-) 1851. HO107/2519 Folio 27. Page 9 38. Tyddyn Du. Richard Jones, Head, Married, age 55, Farmer of 22 acres employing 4 men, born Dwygyfylchi. Gwen Jones, Wife, Married, age 54, born Capel Garmon, Denbigh. John Jones, Son, Unmarried, age 30, Farmer's son, born Dwygyfylchi. William Jones, Son, Unmarried, age 21, Farmer's son, born Dwygyfylchi. Elinor Jones, Daughter, Unmarried, age 19, Farmer's Daughter, born Dwygyfylchi. Richard Jones, Son, Unmarried, age 17, Farmer's son, born Dwygyfylchi. Robert Jones, Son, Unmarried, age 13, Scholar, born Dwygyfylchi. Just a thought, but could Jane's husband Thomas be Richard & Gwen's son? That could account for Jane's address at marriage being Tyddyn Du. I did check the 1841 Census as well, but a large part of it was unreadable, and I couldn't find Tyddyn Du on the bits that I could read. Sorry! Regards, Keith. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: [CAE] Wrong Jane Williams, Help! > I wonder if any kind listers could help me out with an error in my tree which > came to light on Saturday. > > Jane Williams married Thomas Jones on Nov 17 1837 in Dwygyfylchi. The > daughter of Robert Williams, a labourer, she is given as being resident of Tyddyn Du. > (Her first and second children with Thomas, Richard and Jane are also > recorded as being born at Tyddyn Du in 1838 and 1839 respectively. The third child, > Thomas was born at Treforis as were all subsequent children. > > Census returns for the family indicate Jane Williams to be born in Caerhun > approximately 1817. I therefore naturally searched the Caerhun Bapstism Register > and duly found a Jane, daughter of Robert and Ellin of Tyddyn Du baptised on > 23 August 1816. Bingo I thought! I then searched through the burial register > and found Robert and Ellins' burials. I also found the family on the 1841 and > 1851 census. Armed with this information I paid a visit to the churchyard of > Caerhun on saturday and found their gravestone and here comes my problem. The > stone also records the death of a child, Elen, aged 4 to parents Jane and John > Roberts, also of Tyddyn Du. I have a very strong feeling that this is the Jane > I found in the Register of Baptisms..........drat! > I quickly pulled out my notes and re-read them.......the 1851 census records > a Jane, daughter, living with the family, aged 30 and married.....at the same > time as "my" Jane had already had 6 children by Thomas, with no. 7 on the way > and had been firmly ensconssed at Treforis for some years! Definately not the > right family then! > I was wrestling this in my head all last night until, whilst looking on the > old maps site, i noticed their to be a Tyddyn Du in between Dwygyfylchi and > Penmaenmawr - Salvation? but also a problem.....I can't near Llandudno library or > any other repository of the 1841 or 1851 census for the area for at least 4 > weeks - (I will go gaga!) - and therefore, after much long winded preamble, > would anyone who has access to either of these census', be so good as to have a > look for afore said Tyddyn Du in Dwygyfylchi Parish and let me know who lives > their....you may just stop me going bald with worry! > > many, many thanks in anticipation..... > Glyn > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and English are welcome > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >