Hi Wendy Well I have to admit I am finding the whole Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid (sp?) a little confusing here. I know this is due to the parishes and boundaries of the times but still.........can anybody point me in the right direction of where I can buy a map or find some indication of how I can pinpoint places? Mostly my previous research has been in Liverpool and Cheshire. Liverpool being of course a large city with specific streets, roads, boundaries. Cheshire has been a little more difficult but I think I have the hang of it.........but the Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid is a little more puzzling. I hear what you are saying about the factories and such like in Lancashire, but find it strange that no women were employed in the quarries. I have read many books on the social conditions of the "good old days" and find women and children being employed in various factories, mills - even coal mines and yet there appear to be no women employed in the slate quarries. I wonder why that was? Regards Barbara > Dear Barbara, I think Cilgeraint is a street, Llandegai is a pretty, small > village. Women usually worked in service, there wasn't a lot of > opportunities for women in an otherwise rural area..not like Lancashire with > the mills. I think it's held the women's movement back in Wales. I've got a > couple of books about the slate quarry's. I think you could get them on > inter library loan. All the best from the outskirts of Caernarfon, Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 09 September 2004 20:28 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries > > > > When you hear the lives they lived, how hard they work, and what they > > received in return, it makes you angry. My grandfather and several > > uncles, started working at Penrhyn Quarry as 8 year olds. They > > pulled the carts that took the slate up to the rail cars. The rail > > line is still in Llandegai. > > Hi Arlene, Wendy and all, > > This whole thread has been SO interesting. It kind of adds a bit of "meat > to the bones." Every one of my ancestors from the Llandegai area has so far > been a slate quarryman and I have learnt so much just recently. My g.g. > grandfather was a Slate Waggon (sic) Driver in 1864, do you know what this > kind of job would have entailed? Well obviously driving a Slate Wagon (!!), > but how was it powered etc? Was it just some kind of cart or more like a > rail train? > > On the birth certificate of his son, they are shown as living at Cilgeraint > Incline, Llandegai, is this a "village" or just the name of a street? > > Arlene, I have been on eBay and looked for the book you recommend, but it > doesn't seem to be available in Australia, I will have to do a wider search, > can you tell us a little about it? Is it just concerned with the Great > Strike or does it give an overall picture of life for these men? Which has > just made me think of something else..............were girls ever employed > in the quarry as I see you mention 8 year old boys working there and I know > that both boys and girls were employed in say the cotton mills and factories > back in the "good old days." > > Thanks and Regards > Barbara > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History Society > www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml > Bangor University Archives > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Barbara, Bethesda is the town. It has a main street, called a high street in Wales, actually named Ogwen Terrace at the present time. Anyway, heading east on the high street, the parish of Llandegai is on your right, Llanllechid is on the left. They are all Bethesda. And, I will not further confuse you by giving you names of other parishes within Bethesda. Within these parishes there are areas of houses, or neighborhoods if you like, that have names. I hope I have explained this correctly. I go to Bethesda once a year to visit my family, and I think once you have been there, you get a better understanding. It did take me 2 visits to get it all straight in my head. On the woman working in the quarry. First, the quarry is not a hole in the ground. They shave the slate from the sides and bring it up and load it on carts, which then are take to the train, which took it to Anglesey where it was loaded onto ships or taken my horse and cart to London or wherever. You have to remember there was no woman's liberation in those days. Men had certain jobs, as did woman. Most woman worked as seamstresses or servants. They also had many children once they married. They spent much time, cooking, raising vegetables, a small animal for food, eggs or goats milk. Each cottage had a little piece of land for a garden to grow food. I really need to get a web page going with the photos of the area, quarry, cottages, cemetery, chapels and the churches. Can anyone else add to this. Arlene > Hi Wendy > > Well I have to admit I am finding the whole Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid > (sp?) a little confusing here. I know this is due to the parishes and > boundaries of the times but still.........can anybody point me in the > right > direction of where I can buy a map or find some indication of how I can > pinpoint places? > > Mostly my previous research has been in Liverpool and Cheshire. Liverpool > being of course a large city with specific streets, roads, boundaries. > Cheshire has been a little more difficult but I think I have the hang of > it.........but the Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid is a little more puzzling. > > I hear what you are saying about the factories and such like in > Lancashire, > but find it strange that no women were employed in the quarries. I have > read many books on the social conditions of the "good old days" and find > women and children being employed in various factories, mills - even coal > mines and yet there appear to be no women employed in the slate quarries. > I > wonder why that was? > > Regards > Barbara > > > > > > >> Dear Barbara, I think Cilgeraint is a street, Llandegai is a pretty, >> small >> village. Women usually worked in service, there wasn't a lot of >> opportunities for women in an otherwise rural area..not like Lancashire > with >> the mills. I think it's held the women's movement back in Wales. I've >> got > a >> couple of books about the slate quarry's. I think you could get them on >> inter library loan. All the best from the outskirts of Caernarfon, Wendy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 09 September 2004 20:28 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries >> >> >> > When you hear the lives they lived, how hard they work, and what they >> > received in return, it makes you angry. My grandfather and several >> > uncles, started working at Penrhyn Quarry as 8 year olds. They >> > pulled the carts that took the slate up to the rail cars. The rail >> > line is still in Llandegai. >> >> Hi Arlene, Wendy and all, >> >> This whole thread has been SO interesting. It kind of adds a bit of >> "meat >> to the bones." Every one of my ancestors from the Llandegai area has so > far >> been a slate quarryman and I have learnt so much just recently. My g.g. >> grandfather was a Slate Waggon (sic) Driver in 1864, do you know what >> this >> kind of job would have entailed? Well obviously driving a Slate Wagon > (!!), >> but how was it powered etc? Was it just some kind of cart or more like >> a >> rail train? >> >> On the birth certificate of his son, they are shown as living at > Cilgeraint >> Incline, Llandegai, is this a "village" or just the name of a street? >> >> Arlene, I have been on eBay and looked for the book you recommend, but >> it >> doesn't seem to be available in Australia, I will have to do a wider > search, >> can you tell us a little about it? Is it just concerned with the Great >> Strike or does it give an overall picture of life for these men? Which > has >> just made me think of something else..............were girls ever >> employed >> in the quarry as I see you mention 8 year old boys working there and I > know >> that both boys and girls were employed in say the cotton mills and > factories >> back in the "good old days." >> >> Thanks and Regards >> Barbara >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History >> Society >> www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml >> Bangor University Archives >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries > Hi Wendy > > Well I have to admit I am finding the whole Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid > (sp?) a little confusing here. I know this is due to the parishes and > boundaries of the times but still.........can anybody point me in the right > direction of where I can buy a map or find some indication of how I can > pinpoint places? > Barbara, The simple way would be to follow the A5 London-Holyhead Road up past Bettws-y-Coed along the shore of Lake Ogwen dropping into the river valley[the Ogwen]in the direction of Bangor.As Bethesda approaches the vast slate quarries can be seen to your left[or at least the towering heaps of slate leavings tipped there over decades !] The A5 continues through Bethesda proper and at the next crossroad out of town,still heading to Bangor,the crossroads are to Tregarth on you left and Llanllechid is strung along the hill ridge to your right[together with Rachub,another historical slate village]. Continue to the junction with the A 55 coast road and you are in Llandegai facing one of the gates to Penrhyn Castle. Press on for Bangor and,just past the Crematorium down the only straight piece of road for miles,look for a slip road to your right to Penrhyn Quay. You, the Ogwen River and the mineral railway and its cargo of slate have arrived at where the slate was once shipped to all quarters of the globe. Pleasant journey John in sunny Hampshire.

Try http://www.multimap.com/ or http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ for modern day maps at various scales down to street level. Often a search on a smaller location (such as a street) may show up on one but not the other. (Note that you can search by 'street' on 'advanced search' on Multimap and they also have aerials photographs of the area covered by the map. For older maps circa late 1800's try http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ Ian Jolly from a wet North Wales (particularly on Bardsey Island this morning, which we - BBC Radio Wales family history programme staff and I - had to flee this morning as the weather deteriorated!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries > Hi Wendy > > Well I have to admit I am finding the whole Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid > (sp?) a little confusing here. I know this is due to the parishes and > boundaries of the times but still.........can anybody point me in the > right > direction of where I can buy a map or find some indication of how I can > pinpoint places? > > Mostly my previous research has been in Liverpool and Cheshire. Liverpool > being of course a large city with specific streets, roads, boundaries. > Cheshire has been a little more difficult but I think I have the hang of > it.........but the Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid is a little more puzzling. > > I hear what you are saying about the factories and such like in > Lancashire, > but find it strange that no women were employed in the quarries. I have > read many books on the social conditions of the "good old days" and find > women and children being employed in various factories, mills - even coal > mines and yet there appear to be no women employed in the slate quarries. > I > wonder why that was? > > Regards > Barbara > > > > > > >> Dear Barbara, I think Cilgeraint is a street, Llandegai is a pretty, >> small >> village. Women usually worked in service, there wasn't a lot of >> opportunities for women in an otherwise rural area..not like Lancashire > with >> the mills. I think it's held the women's movement back in Wales. I've got > a >> couple of books about the slate quarry's. I think you could get them on >> inter library loan. All the best from the outskirts of Caernarfon, Wendy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 09 September 2004 20:28 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries >> >> >> > When you hear the lives they lived, how hard they work, and what they >> > received in return, it makes you angry. My grandfather and several >> > uncles, started working at Penrhyn Quarry as 8 year olds. They >> > pulled the carts that took the slate up to the rail cars. The rail >> > line is still in Llandegai. >> >> Hi Arlene, Wendy and all, >> >> This whole thread has been SO interesting. It kind of adds a bit of >> "meat >> to the bones." Every one of my ancestors from the Llandegai area has so > far >> been a slate quarryman and I have learnt so much just recently. My g.g. >> grandfather was a Slate Waggon (sic) Driver in 1864, do you know what >> this >> kind of job would have entailed? Well obviously driving a Slate Wagon > (!!), >> but how was it powered etc? Was it just some kind of cart or more like a >> rail train? >> >> On the birth certificate of his son, they are shown as living at > Cilgeraint >> Incline, Llandegai, is this a "village" or just the name of a street? >> >> Arlene, I have been on eBay and looked for the book you recommend, but it >> doesn't seem to be available in Australia, I will have to do a wider > search, >> can you tell us a little about it? Is it just concerned with the Great >> Strike or does it give an overall picture of life for these men? Which > has >> just made me think of something else..............were girls ever >> employed >> in the quarry as I see you mention 8 year old boys working there and I > know >> that both boys and girls were employed in say the cotton mills and > factories >> back in the "good old days." >> >> Thanks and Regards >> Barbara >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History Society >> www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml >> Bangor University Archives >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Dear Barbara, Llandegai is on the outskirts of Bangor and I think you'll see it on any ordinance map of the area fairly easily. Bethesda is a separate village approximately 6 or thereabouts miles away. I'm never sure where Llanllechid is, I think it's part of Bethesda but I'm not sure. If you contacted the Planning Department at Gwynedd Council or the archives in Caernarfon they would be able to tell you, or perhaps send you map, or someone else online local to the area. There may be an online map from a recent census showing enumeration districts in the area. Re: employment of women in the quarries, I'm not sure if women did any jobs in the quarry. I'll ask my father! With the exception of quarrying, shipping and fishing, this part of Wales was and still is extremely rural, women primarily managed small holdings, kept a pig, chickens, grew vegetables, susbsistence economy. People kept small holdings and quarried. It is a sparsely populated area. Were it not for the slate quarries perhaps like the agricultural economy in Ireland and the Llyn peninsula, the industrial revolution may almost have passed us by! -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 10 September 2004 09:52 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries Hi Wendy Well I have to admit I am finding the whole Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid (sp?) a little confusing here. I know this is due to the parishes and boundaries of the times but still.........can anybody point me in the right direction of where I can buy a map or find some indication of how I can pinpoint places? Mostly my previous research has been in Liverpool and Cheshire. Liverpool being of course a large city with specific streets, roads, boundaries. Cheshire has been a little more difficult but I think I have the hang of it.........but the Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid is a little more puzzling. I hear what you are saying about the factories and such like in Lancashire, but find it strange that no women were employed in the quarries. I have read many books on the social conditions of the "good old days" and find women and children being employed in various factories, mills - even coal mines and yet there appear to be no women employed in the slate quarries. I wonder why that was? Regards Barbara > Dear Barbara, I think Cilgeraint is a street, Llandegai is a pretty, > small village. Women usually worked in service, there wasn't a lot of > opportunities for women in an otherwise rural area..not like > Lancashire with > the mills. I think it's held the women's movement back in Wales. I've > got a > couple of books about the slate quarry's. I think you could get them > on inter library loan. All the best from the outskirts of Caernarfon, > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 09 September 2004 20:28 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries > > > > When you hear the lives they lived, how hard they work, and what > > they received in return, it makes you angry. My grandfather and > > several uncles, started working at Penrhyn Quarry as 8 year olds. > > They pulled the carts that took the slate up to the rail cars. The > > rail line is still in Llandegai. > > Hi Arlene, Wendy and all, > > This whole thread has been SO interesting. It kind of adds a bit of > "meat to the bones." Every one of my ancestors from the Llandegai > area has so far > been a slate quarryman and I have learnt so much just recently. My g.g. > grandfather was a Slate Waggon (sic) Driver in 1864, do you know what > this kind of job would have entailed? Well obviously driving a Slate > Wagon (!!), > but how was it powered etc? Was it just some kind of cart or more > like a rail train? > > On the birth certificate of his son, they are shown as living at Cilgeraint > Incline, Llandegai, is this a "village" or just the name of a street? > > Arlene, I have been on eBay and looked for the book you recommend, but > it doesn't seem to be available in Australia, I will have to do a > wider search, > can you tell us a little about it? Is it just concerned with the > Great Strike or does it give an overall picture of life for these men? > Which has > just made me think of something else..............were girls ever > employed in the quarry as I see you mention 8 year old boys working > there and I know > that both boys and girls were employed in say the cotton mills and factories > back in the "good old days." > > Thanks and Regards > Barbara > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History > Society www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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I don't know about the quarries in the Bethesda area but in the earlier years in Ffestiniog, some women (farmers I think) worked as carters for the quarries. In a Gwynedd Archives exhibition I saw recently there was an entry in a ledger in 1828 for a payment of £28-5-12 [sic] to Jane Evans of Cwmbowydd for carting/carrying slate. Rhian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: RE: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries > Re: employment of women in the quarries, I'm not sure if women did any jobs > in the quarry. I'll ask my father! With the exception of quarrying, shipping > and fishing, this part of Wales was and still is extremely rural, women > primarily managed small holdings, kept a pig, chickens, grew vegetables, > susbsistence economy. People kept small holdings and quarried. It is a > sparsely populated area. Were it not for the slate quarries perhaps like the > agricultural economy in Ireland and the Llyn peninsula, the industrial > revolution may almost have passed us by! > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 10 September 2004 09:52 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries > > > I hear what you are saying about the factories and such like in Lancashire, > but find it strange that no women were employed in the quarries. I have > read many books on the social conditions of the "good old days" and find > women and children being employed in various factories, mills - even coal > mines and yet there appear to be no women employed in the slate quarries. I > wonder why that was? > > Regards > Barbara > > > Women usually worked in service, there wasn't a lot of > > opportunities for women in an otherwise rural area..not like > > Lancashire > with > > the mills. I think it's held the women's movement back in Wales. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 09 September 2004 20:28 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries > > > > Hi Arlene, Wendy and all, > > > > My g.g. > > grandfather was a Slate Waggon (sic) Driver in 1864, do you know what > > this kind of job would have entailed? Well obviously driving a Slate > > Wagon > (!!), > > but how was it powered etc? Was it just some kind of cart or more > > like a rail train? > > >>> > > > Thanks and Regards > > Barbara > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History > > Society www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml > > Bangor University Archives > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History Society > www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_archive.pl > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >