Hi Barbara, You ladies seem to have a great interest in the hardships suffered by quarrymen. How about this? There was a time when a quarryman could only expect to live to the age of 39 and this was not due to accidents, but the lung disease called Silicosis. The average age an agricultural worker could expect to live in the same period was 67. The Dinorwic Quarry closed almost 40 years ago, and yet ex quarrymen are still dying from the disease. An ex union official died a couple of months ago aged 78, and he was a sufferer. Not only that but do you know that all persons who had worked in the quarry and receiving invalidity benefit from this industrial disease are given post mortems? Oh! yes. The Quarry was the biggest killer in this area and I had 5 brothers-in-law who died of Silicosis, each one suffering and for many years before finally succumbing to it, after months/years on oxygen. Regards, Meirion ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] bradwyr > > Hi again Thomas and Ian > > Thank you so much for your input into this thread I started. It is amazing > to think that in the days before social welfare you could be considered a > traitor to go to work to put food on the table for your family. I didn't > realise that local people still bore such bitterness against the descendants > of the "bradwyr's". > > I have learnt so much just recently, it has been a wonderful lesson in > social history. > > I have been "doing the family tree" on and off now for about 10 years, but > really only recently got into my father's side. Because of the name > WILLIAMS being so common in Wales I thought I would start with my mother's > more unusual name of POVALL when I first began this "hobby" of ours. > > The other day I found a wonderful site > > http://www.worldwidewales.tv/index2.php > > You can sit at your computer and watch narrated films (in English or Welsh) > of historic events or tours around places all over Wales as well as > biographies of famous Welsh people. If you go to "Historic Events" in Step > 1 and then click on Step 2 "Penryhn Quarry & the Great Strike" you will see > a film clip of the events we have been talking about and also a view of "one > of the largest man made holes on the planet and the largest slate quarry in > the world" Penrhyn Quarry. > > Thanks and Regards > Barbara > > > > > > > Ian Thompson's assessment of the Penrhyn Strike situation is to be > > applauded. What we should remember is that it was not a Black and White > > issue. There were those who returned to the Quarry for good and bad > reasons. > > Some could not bear to see their half starved families, whilst others > > accepted the £1 bribe offered by the Squire (Punt y Gynffon) so they could > > enjoy a few drinks in the Pub. However, at the time both were tarred with > > the same brush and called BRADWYR. > > > > History has not been kind to the former because of the actions of the > > latter, but what should be stressed in no uncertain terms is that EVERYONE > > lost out by the Strike, > > The Squire, the Strikers who refused to return to work on a point of > > principal and those who swallowed their pride and did for whatever reason. > > It was a NO WIN Situation and that is the way the Strike should be > > remembered. Not with malice towards those who broke the strike and towards > > their children, their grandchildren and even great grandchildren. Why > should > > the innocents of today bear a cross for the actions of their ancestors? It > > is time that the people of the area forgot about the mistakes of a century > > ago. Possibly books like Y CHWALFA, T Rowland Hughes, and more recent ones > > written in English have a lot to answer for. > > > > No! Neither I nor my family were interested parties. > > > > T. Meirion Huighes. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "I Thompson" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:26 PM > > Subject: [CAE] bradwyr > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > I was interested to read about strike-breaking in Penrhyn. My > grandmother > > > used to talk about my gt grandfather going out in Birkenhead in the > > General > > > Strike of 1926 to work when many others weren't doing with a red armband > > on. > > > His explanation was that at a time of poor employment, and with 10 > > children, > > > he couldn't afford to miss one day's work. 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Hi Meirion I have to admit to not being too "good" with deaths in my family tree research. But this is something I will definitely take into account when I can't find one of my missing ones. 39 is such a young age to die.......unless of course you are 20, when this is considered to be an old timer..... Barb in Sydney.........WAY PAST 39........... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Hughes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] bradwyr > Hi Barbara, > > You ladies seem to have a great interest in the hardships suffered by > quarrymen. How about this? There was a time when a quarryman could only > expect to live to the age of > 39 and this was not due to accidents, but the lung disease called > Silicosis. The average age an agricultural worker could expect to live in > the same period was 67. The Dinorwic Quarry closed almost 40 years ago, and > yet ex quarrymen are still dying from the disease. An ex union official died > a couple of months ago aged 78, and he was a sufferer. Not only that but do > you know that all persons who had worked in the quarry and receiving > invalidity benefit from this industrial disease are given post mortems? > > Oh! yes. The Quarry was the biggest killer in this area and I had 5 > brothers-in-law who died of Silicosis, each one suffering and for many years > before finally succumbing to it, after months/years on oxygen. > > Regards, > > Meirion > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Williams" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:53 PM > Subject: Re: [CAE] bradwyr > > > > > > Hi again Thomas and Ian > > > > Thank you so much for your input into this thread I started. It is > amazing > > to think that in the days before social welfare you could be considered a > > traitor to go to work to put food on the table for your family. I didn't > > realise that local people still bore such bitterness against the > descendants > > of the "bradwyr's". > > > > I have learnt so much just recently, it has been a wonderful lesson in > > social history. > > > > I have been "doing the family tree" on and off now for about 10 years, but > > really only recently got into my father's side. Because of the name > > WILLIAMS being so common in Wales I thought I would start with my mother's > > more unusual name of POVALL when I first began this "hobby" of ours. > > > > The other day I found a wonderful site > > > > http://www.worldwidewales.tv/index2.php > > > > You can sit at your computer and watch narrated films (in English or > Welsh) > > of historic events or tours around places all over Wales as well as > > biographies of famous Welsh people. If you go to "Historic Events" in > Step > > 1 and then click on Step 2 "Penryhn Quarry & the Great Strike" you will > see > > a film clip of the events we have been talking about and also a view of > "one > > of the largest man made holes on the planet and the largest slate quarry > in > > the world" Penrhyn Quarry. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Barbara > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian Thompson's assessment of the Penrhyn Strike situation is to be > > > applauded. What we should remember is that it was not a Black and White > > > issue. There were those who returned to the Quarry for good and bad > > reasons. > > > Some could not bear to see their half starved families, whilst others > > > accepted the £1 bribe offered by the Squire (Punt y Gynffon) so they > could > > > enjoy a few drinks in the Pub. However, at the time both were tarred > with > > > the same brush and called BRADWYR. > > > > > > History has not been kind to the former because of the actions of the > > > latter, but what should be stressed in no uncertain terms is that > EVERYONE > > > lost out by the Strike, > > > The Squire, the Strikers who refused to return to work on a point of > > > principal and those who swallowed their pride and did for whatever > reason. > > > It was a NO WIN Situation and that is the way the Strike should be > > > remembered. Not with malice towards those who broke the strike and > towards > > > their children, their grandchildren and even great grandchildren. Why > > should > > > the innocents of today bear a cross for the actions of their ancestors? > It > > > is time that the people of the area forgot about the mistakes of a > century > > > ago. Possibly books like Y CHWALFA, T Rowland Hughes, and more recent > ones > > > written in English have a lot to answer for. > > > > > > No! Neither I nor my family were interested parties. > > > > > > T. Meirion Huighes. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "I Thompson" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:26 PM > > > Subject: [CAE] bradwyr > > > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > I was interested to read about strike-breaking in Penrhyn. My > > grandmother > > > > used to talk about my gt grandfather going out in Birkenhead in the > > > General > > > > Strike of 1926 to work when many others weren't doing with a red > armband > > > on. > > > > His explanation was that at a time of poor employment, and with 10 > > > children, > > > > he couldn't afford to miss one day's work. I know that his decision > > > > attracted the opprobrium of neighbours and workmates so it must have > > been > > > a > > > > difficult decision to make. Equally so in Penrhyn, I would have > > thought? > > > > Ian > > > > London SW9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > > > > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > > > English are welcome > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > > > > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > > > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > > English are welcome > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Barb, There were also times when an epidemic took many lives. In 1877, many, many lives were lost. When you walk the cemetery you see entire families of children who died days apart. It's very sad. No antibiotics. Arlene > Hi Meirion > > I have to admit to not being too "good" with deaths in my family tree > research. But this is something I will definitely take into account when > I > can't find one of my missing ones. > > 39 is such a young age to die.......unless of course you are 20, when this > is considered to be an old timer..... > > Barb in Sydney.........WAY PAST 39........... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Hughes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:21 AM > Subject: Re: [CAE] bradwyr > > >> Hi Barbara, >> >> You ladies seem to have a great interest in the hardships suffered by >> quarrymen. How about this? There was a time when a quarryman could only >> expect to live to the age of >> 39 and this was not due to accidents, but the lung disease called >> Silicosis. The average age an agricultural worker could expect to live >> in >> the same period was 67. The Dinorwic Quarry closed almost 40 years ago, > and >> yet ex quarrymen are still dying from the disease. An ex union official > died >> a couple of months ago aged 78, and he was a sufferer. Not only that but > do >> you know that all persons who had worked in the quarry and receiving >> invalidity benefit from this industrial disease are given post mortems? >> >> Oh! yes. The Quarry was the biggest killer in this area and I had 5 >> brothers-in-law who died of Silicosis, each one suffering and for many > years >> before finally succumbing to it, after months/years on oxygen. >> >> Regards, >> >> Meirion >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara Williams" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [CAE] bradwyr >> >> >> > >> > Hi again Thomas and Ian >> > >> > Thank you so much for your input into this thread I started. It is >> amazing >> > to think that in the days before social welfare you could be >> considered > a >> > traitor to go to work to put food on the table for your family. I > didn't >> > realise that local people still bore such bitterness against the >> descendants >> > of the "bradwyr's". >> > >> > I have learnt so much just recently, it has been a wonderful lesson in >> > social history. >> > >> > I have been "doing the family tree" on and off now for about 10 years, > but >> > really only recently got into my father's side. Because of the name >> > WILLIAMS being so common in Wales I thought I would start with my > mother's >> > more unusual name of POVALL when I first began this "hobby" of ours. >> > >> > The other day I found a wonderful site >> > >> > http://www.worldwidewales.tv/index2.php >> > >> > You can sit at your computer and watch narrated films (in English or >> Welsh) >> > of historic events or tours around places all over Wales as well as >> > biographies of famous Welsh people. If you go to "Historic Events" in >> Step >> > 1 and then click on Step 2 "Penryhn Quarry & the Great Strike" you >> will >> see >> > a film clip of the events we have been talking about and also a view >> of >> "one >> > of the largest man made holes on the planet and the largest slate >> quarry >> in >> > the world" Penrhyn Quarry. >> > >> > Thanks and Regards >> > Barbara >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Ian Thompson's assessment of the Penrhyn Strike situation is to be >> > > applauded. What we should remember is that it was not a Black and > White >> > > issue. There were those who returned to the Quarry for good and bad >> > reasons. >> > > Some could not bear to see their half starved families, whilst >> others >> > > accepted the £1 bribe offered by the Squire (Punt y Gynffon) so they >> could >> > > enjoy a few drinks in the Pub. However, at the time both were tarred >> with >> > > the same brush and called BRADWYR. >> > > >> > > History has not been kind to the former because of the actions of >> the >> > > latter, but what should be stressed in no uncertain terms is that >> EVERYONE >> > > lost out by the Strike, >> > > The Squire, the Strikers who refused to return to work on a point of >> > > principal and those who swallowed their pride and did for whatever >> reason. >> > > It was a NO WIN Situation and that is the way the Strike should be >> > > remembered. Not with malice towards those who broke the strike and >> towards >> > > their children, their grandchildren and even great grandchildren. >> Why >> > should >> > > the innocents of today bear a cross for the actions of their > ancestors? >> It >> > > is time that the people of the area forgot about the mistakes of a >> century >> > > ago. Possibly books like Y CHWALFA, T Rowland Hughes, and more >> recent >> ones >> > > written in English have a lot to answer for. >> > > >> > > No! Neither I nor my family were interested parties. >> > > >> > > T. Meirion Huighes. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "I Thompson" <[email protected]> >> > > To: <[email protected]> >> > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:26 PM >> > > Subject: [CAE] bradwyr >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hi there, >> > > > I was interested to read about strike-breaking in Penrhyn. My >> > grandmother >> > > > used to talk about my gt grandfather going out in Birkenhead in >> the >> > > General >> > > > Strike of 1926 to work when many others weren't doing with a red >> armband >> > > on. >> > > > His explanation was that at a time of poor employment, and with 10 >> > > children, >> > > > he couldn't afford to miss one day's work. I know that his >> decision >> > > > attracted the opprobrium of neighbours and workmates so it must >> have >> > been >> > > a >> > > > difficult decision to make. 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