Hi Listers, Two of my ancestors THOMAS ROBERTS and his wife ELLIN are recorded in the 1841 Census for CAE as living in Penmachno, Registration sub-district 3 Yspytty of Llanrwst CRD. They were ' 35' years of age and their address appeared to be Tainewyddion. I am having difficulty tracing them in this difficult area between Caernarfonshire, Denbighshire and Merionethshire. I think that i have managed to trace three of the children. Robert '10' in the Census together with Catherine and Jane (bracketed with a comment I can't decifer but no age given) appear to have been christened on the Wesleyan Llanrwst Circuit, Denbigh in October 1830 and June 1833. The girls were probably twins. My father was a Wesleyan Methodist so I go along with this so far. I can find no trace of the birth details of my gg grandfather EVAN ROBERTS. In 1841 he was five. In the 1881 Census he was living in 'Festiniog' where my father comes from. He was 45. He was born in 1836 at Penmachno. I am uncertain that I have found the right THOMAS ROBERTS and ELLIN. A THOMAS ROBERTS married an ELLINOR WILLIAMS in Penmachno on 7th April, 1827. They were given the arbitrary age of ' 35' in 1841. Could he have been christened on 15th February, 1807 in Capel Garmon, Denbighshire (parents William and Catherine)? Could she have been christened at Llanrwst on 2nd August, 1807 (parents William and Jane)? It would be very convenient because then ' the twins' would be named after their respective grandmothers. Help please. Am I right or is this an IGI mist that I see rising before my eyes. Thought for today: there are no brickwalls in genealogy only log-jams. Once those logs roll ....! Trouble is they rarely do. Regards,Phil.