Hi Alison, I am not sure of my connection with your family yet... it depends on whether me and Jan are related - I am still waiting for a marriage certificate to help determine that. Jan has the following as her furthest back Griffith connections... Griffith Griffith b. about 1812/3 Jane, his wife, nee Williams b. about 1812/3 in AGY Llandrygarn children were: John Griffith b. about 1839 Llanbeblig (in later life went to live in Saron) Rowland Griffith b. about1841 Llanbeblig Margaret Griffith b. about 1842 Llanbeblig Griffith Griffith b.1845 Llanrug (Jan's G-g-grandfather) Elizabeth Griffith b. about 1850 Llanrug Evan Griffith b. about 1852 Llanrug (possibly my G-grandfather?) I contacted you because I saw that your Great Grandfather - Thomas Cooper Griffith - had siblings John Griffith and Margaret Griffith, with connections to Llanrug, and so maybe there is a connection with yourself and Jan. Could it be that somewhere along the lines your Margaret and John's birthplaces have been mixed up? It's happened with my Great Grandmother Jane Griffith (nee Jones) as mentioned below. Maybe Thomas Cooper wasn't born when the details above were taken - the most probable time for that would be the 1861 census being as he was born in 1867 - I know this puts the mother in the list above at 55 yrs old for Thomas Cooper Griffith's birth, maybe she wasn't his mother and Margaret and John were step siblings... Just thinking, but it's all just possibilities at this stage... admittadly looking at the ages its a long shot. My Griffith connection is that my G G Grandfather was Evan Griffith (b. 1852 Llanrug / d. 8 May 1921 Bronfedw, Bethel, Llanddeinolen). He married Jane Jones (b. 1857 Llanfihengel [not sure which one yet] / d. Aug 1930). They had six children... Sarah Jane Griffith (b. 1881 Llanddeinolen) Elizabeth Griffith (b. 1884 Llanddeinolen) Owen Roland Griffith (b. 18 Feb 1885 probably Llanddeinolen - Kathy's Grandfather) Griffith John Griffith (b. 1887 Llanddeinolen) Harry Griffith (b. 1889 Llanddeinolen) Evan Hugh Griffith (b. 18 May 1891 Saron Village, Bethel, Llanddeinolen / d. 14 July 1957 C&A Hospital, Bangor) my Great Grandfather As you can see I have to wait for the marriage certificate to tell me the name of the father of Evan Griffith (b. 1852 Llanrug). If that matches with Jan's Griffith Griffith (b. 1812/13) then I should be ok in saying that me and Jan are related. If you can connect your Thomas Cooper Griffith with the list of relatives of Jan's above, then we all could be related. If not then we probably are related further down the line. You may find searching the Caernarfonshire list useful. Just go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE.html and either click on "Search the WLS..." or browse it. Being as your Griffith family seem to stem from that area, as mine do, it may be more fruitful than Clwyd. Also http://genforum.genealogy.com/ and looking under the Griffith forum may prove useful. Hope all this helps! Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Aitken" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Thanks Jonathan- Griffith connection > Hello Jonathan > This is a definite link- I have newspaper cutting kept by Granny of the house she reckoned John lived in when the quarry manager at Llandudulas which is near LLysfaen. I have a photograph of this John (my grandmothers uncle and could send if you are interested). Also I notice that there is a son Owen which I didn't know about. He wasn't on the 1901 census as living at home. He would have been 19 so will see what else I can find. On Charlottes age - I think there has maybe been some guess work or maybe a lady who didn't want to reveal her real age! John Griffith senior is not included on the 1901 census with Charlotte stating she was a widow. > Where are your connections? > Alison > > ______________________________