JOHN ROBERTS & ELIZABETH GRIFFITH EDWARDS FAMILY (my ggrandparents) In 1861 my soon-to-become ggrandmother, Elizabeth Edwards was working at the St. George Hotel as a servant. She was born Elizabeth Griffith in Llanfyllin and her family was chapel. Have PR entryJohn Roberts was living at Pant y Ffynnon. 1861 Census: Pant y Ffynnon William Roberts, Head, 66, AGL, CAE 32 Mariana Roberts, Wife, 68, CAE 32 John Roberts, son, 25, PLA, CAE 32 Richard Roberts, son, 18, PLA, CAE 32 Dorothy Roberts, GD, 12, CAE 32 Cathrine Roberts, GD, 02, CAE 32 (Catherine Edwards, Catherine Roberts Edwards’ dtr.) 1862, Dec. 19. Mariana Roberts died at Pant-y-Ffynnon of Bronchitis, certified. Age 67. John Roberts present at death. Her name is spelled Miriana on death cert. 1863, March 6. John Roberts 28, plasterer of Llandudno, s/o William Roberts, Laborer, m. Elizabeth Edwards, 28, widow, Llandudno, d/o Owen Griffith, shoemaker at the parish church in Llandudno by banns. Witnesses Richard Roberts and Elizabeth Davies. Have cert. 1871 Census: Pant y ffynnon John Roberts, Head, 36, Plasterer, Llandudno Elizabeth Roberts, Wife, 36, Llandudno (not true) George H. Edwards, stepson, 17, Labourer, Llandudno (not true) John Roberts, son, 7, scholar Richard Roberts, son, 5, scholar William Roberts, son, 2, Llandudno William Roberts, father, 76, pauper, blind George H. Edwards subsequent family is on another page. 1872, Dec. 15. William Roberts died, 78, at Pant y Ffynnon. Occ: copper miner. died of old age and debility. Not certified. Elizabeth Roberts present at death. Have. cert. Children of John Roberts and Elizabeth Edwards (nee Griffith): 1864 John (m. Martha Brierly? If so, in 1901 he was 37, a plasterer, living in Altrincham with his wife, Martha, 27 or 29, born in Altrincham and with Martha’s father, George Brierley, in Altrincham) 1866 Richard 1892, July 4. Richard Roberts, 26, Bachelor, plasterer, Llandudno, s/o John Roberts, plasterer m. Jane Powell, 26, Llandudno, d/o Hugh Powell, miner in the parish church of Llandudno by banns. (Witnesses: Richard P. Hughes, Annie Powell.) 1901 Census: The Mount, Llandudno Hugh Powell, 72, Head, Widower, General Labourer, Anglesey, Amlwch Richard Roberts, 35, son-in-law, Plasterer, Llandudno Jennie Roberts, 35, daughter, seamstress, at home,, Llandudno Daisy Roberts, granddaughter, 8 Hugh Roberts, grandson, 6, Llandudno 1870 William 1890, Oct. 18. William Roberts, 22, Bachelor, Plasterer, Llandudno, c/o John Roberts,, Plasterer m. Anne Davies, 23, Spinster, Llandudno, d/o Thomas Davies, Labourer at the parish church of Llandudno. Witnesses: Thomas Davies, Cecilia Owen.. Banns. 1891 census: William and Anne lodging with Grace Evans at Maes y Faewell??.. He is 22 and she is 23. He is a plasterer. Both born Llandudno. Grace Evans had a brother William Roberts living there also, so it seems that she was a Roberts who married an Evans. Check for family earlier on with siblings Grace and William Roberts. 1901 census: 7 Cyll Terrace, Llandudno William Roberts, plasterer, 32, Llandudno Ann, Wife, 33, Charwoman, Llandudno John, son, 9 Elizabeth, dtr., 2 Ann, dtr., 1 Grace Davies, 12, general domestic servant, Llandudno. June 14, 1890 All children born Llandudno Annie Roberts, 20, 2 Bryn Eisteddford, Great Orme, Llandudno, d/o William Roberts, plasterer, married Thomas Atherton, 22, 33 North Road, Preston s/o Thomas Atherton , Iron Turner,on July 21, 1920. He was a Railway Goods Porter, abode 338 North Road, Preston. Witnesses, John Roberts, possibly Annie’s brother, and Elizabeth Nicholson. i have cert. Elizabeth Roberts, 20 (off a bit), 2 Bryn Eisteddfod, Llandudno, d/o William Roberts, plasterer, married Joseph Nicholson, s/o Joseph Jones Nicholson, Joiner, Private West Riding Regiment,Camp Gateshead on Tyne, on May 13, 1917. Witnesses, John Roberts and Sarah Davies. I have cert. 1872 Robert 1894, April 7. Robert Roberts, 22, Bach., labourer, Pant y ffynnon, s/o John Roberts, Plasterer, m. Annie Thomas, 21, Spinster, Pant y ffynnon, d/o Thomas Thomas, Shoemaker at the parish church of Llandudno. Witnesses: Richard Edwards, Marriana Roberts. 1894, June 27. John Roberts, Pant y Ffynnon, 3 mo., s/o Robert Roberts, general labourer, died of Choleraic diarrhea, 36 hour convulsions, certified by J.L.K. Davies, M.B.C.M.Ed, E. Roberts, grandmother, present at the death.. In 1901 Robert and family were living in Ormskirk as follows: 21 Glyn St., Civil Parish: Orrell & Ford, Village-Klondyke, Ecclesiastical Parish, St. Philips, Litherland, Admin., County, Lancs. Robert Roberts, 28, plasterer, b. Llandudno Annie Roberts, wife, 27 b. Caernarfon Elizabeth A., dtr, 6, b. Llandudno Jenny, 4, b. Llandudno (b. April 8, 1897 at Bron Rhaul, Penrhyn, Conway) Have cert. Robert, 3, b. Llandudno Robert may have been drowned in a work-related accident in 1906 at Rhos-on-Sea, Llandrillo yn Rhos, Colwyn Bay. I cannot tell from the death certificate if this is my Robert. 1875 Mariana/Marriana (who had a child Margaret Elizabeth Roberts on July 11, 1895, father shown as William Roberts, labourer, but no marriage has been found.) In 1901, Margaret Elizabeth, 5, was with her grandmother (my gggrandmother, Elizabeth Roberts) I FOUND MARIANA IN 1901 BELOW. She married John Wynne. 1879 Jane Elizabeth (my grandmother). Jane, my grandmother, married Arthur Newhall in Manchester in 1897, had my mother Olivia Dorothy in November of 1897 in Preston. They lived in Manchester and Llandudno both for a time, emigrated to Toronto, Canada, then to Baltimore and Wilmington, then to Philadelphia, where they settled for the rest of their lives and where I was born. In 1901 they were living in Harpurhey??, parish of St. Stephens, Borough of Manchester. Can’t read the name of the street on the census Xerox. Make separate page for this family. 1881 Census shows the following at Pant y Ffynnon John Roberts, H. Plasterer, 47, Llandudno Elizabeth Roberts, Wife, 48, Oswestry, Montgomery, Wales John Roberts, son, Plasterer, 17, Llandudno Richard Roberts, son, Labourer (Plasterer’s son), Llandudno William, son, 9, scholar, Llandudno Robert, son, schoolar, 6, Llandudno Marriana, dtr., scholar, 6, Llandudno Jane Elizabeth, dtr, infant, 2, Llandudno 1885, Jan. 25. John Roberts (ggrandfather) died at Pant y Ffynnon at age 54 of Pyamia (??) certified. John Roberts, son, present at the death. He was a plasterer. Buried Llanrhos. Have cert. 1891 Census shows the following living at Pant-y-Ffynnon, 1 Bodafon, Craig y Don: Elizabeth Roberts Widow 61, Mariana daughter 17, Jane E. daughter 13 1895, July 11. Pant y Ffynnon, Margaret Elizabeth, d/o William Roberts, general labourer, and Mariana Roberts formerly Roberts, baptised. I have cert. from Register Office, Conway. 1900 Mariana Roberts, 24, Tan-Rallt Garden Cottage, Eglwysrhos, d/o John Roberts (Deceased), Plasterer, married John Wynne, 23, Bricklayer, Brickfield Cottage, s/o David Wynne, Stonemason on July 14. At Register’s Office, Conway. Witnesses: William Davies, Elizabeth Wynne. I have cert. 1901 Census Shows John Wynne, H, 23, Bricklayer, born Denbigh, Llansantffraid and Marianne Wynne, Wife, 24, born Llandudno, living at 2 Pant-y-Wennol. I don’t think they stayed here long because in Ken Dibble’s book on Pant-y-Wennol there was someone of another name living there in 1903. BUT WHY WAS HER DAUGHTER LIVING WITH HER MOTHER? 1901 Census shows Elizabeth Roberts, Widow, 70, Laundress, living in Tanrallt Cottage with granddaughter, Margaret Elizabeth Roberts, age 5 and Thomas Roberts, Lodger, single 30, Gardener born Denbigh, Abergele. I don’t know who Thomas is. 1917 Possible marriage of Margaret Elizabeth Roberts: (But maybe not) Margaret Roberts, 22, Lucerne, St. Margaret’s Drive, Llandudno, d/o William Roberts, Slate Quarryman married William Jones, 23, Private No. 3135 Welsh Guards/Farmer, Gollt yr Rug, Capel Garmon, Bettws-y-Coed, s/o Griffith Jones, Farmer on March 17. At the Welsh Congregational Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Congregationalists by License. Witnesses: Robert Jones, Kate Ann Roberts, N. Roberts.