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    1. Roberts/Owen Llandudno
    2. Dorothea Lutz
    3. WILLIAM ROBERTS/MARIANA OWEN LINE Not sure of William Roberts’ origins yet. May be Thomas and Dorothy Roberts of Eglwys Rhos. If so he was bapt. at Llan Rhos July 26, 1795. Mariana OWEN and William ROBERTS (as of now of unprovable origin) had an illegitimate son in 1819 - William ROBERTS b/s/o Mariana Owen and William Roberts bapt. Feb. 5 . William and Mariana are shown as servants at Gloddaeth. l don’t know if young William went by the name of Owen or Roberts. 1820 Mariana OWEN, d/o Robert Owen and William ROBERTS married Dec. 9, 1820, Llandudno Besides William above they had the following children at Pant y Ffynnon, Nant y Gamar: 1821 Mary Roberts 1823 Jane Roberts 1825 Elizabeth (who, with Owen Lloyd in 1847 had an illegitimate daughter, Dorothy - no marriage between Elizabeth and Owen Lloyd found; in 1851 and 1861 Dorothy was living at Pant-y-Ffynnon with William and Mariana but Elizabeth was not. Dorothy does not appear after 1861 but she’d have been in her early 20s so would be gone. 1827 Robert no information 1829 Thomas no information 1832 Catherine (who married David Edwards in 1857, had son William. Both David and William died 2 years later of scarlet fever. Daughter Catherine Edwards was born around this time. Big Catherine went on to marry Robert Salisbury, this line is on a separate page) I have certs. 1834 John, who later married Elizabeth Griffith Edwards (my ggrandfather and ggrandmother). 1836 Margaret, who married William Hughes -family listed on separate page 1839 Dorothy, who died at age 6 on May 22, 1845 of influenza, at Pant-y-Ffynnon Have cert. 1841 Census: Pant y Ffynnon William Roberts, 40 Mariana Roberts, 40 Elizabeth Roberts,20 Thomas Roberts, 12 Catherine Roberts, 9 John Roberts, 5 Margaret Roberts, 3 Dorothy Roberts, 2 (died of scarlet fever at age 6, 1845) 1842 Richard baptized- no information. 1851 Census: Pant y Ffynnon William Roberts, Head, 54, AFL, CAE 32 Maried (sp) Roberts, Wife, 54, CAE 32 John Roberts, son, 16, AGL, CAE 32 Richard Roberts, son, 8, scr, CAE 32 Dorothy Roberts, NI, 04, SCR, CAE 32, (b/d/o Elizabeth Roberts & Owen Lloyd, b. 1847) 1861 Census: Pant y Ffynnon William Roberts, Head, 66, AGL, CAE 32 Mariana Roberts, Wife, 68, CAE 32 John Roberts, son, 25, PLA, CAE 32 Richard Roberts, son, 18, PLA, CAE 32 Dorothy Roberts, GD, 12, CAE 32 Cathrine Roberts, GD, 02, CAE 32 (Catherine Edwards, Catherine Roberts Edwards’ dtr.) 1862, Dec. 19. Mariana Roberts died at Pant-y-Ffynnon of Bronchitis, certified. Age 67. John Roberts present at death. Her name is spelled Miriana on death cert. 1872, Dec. 15. William Roberts died, 78, at Pant y Ffynnon. Occ: copper miner. died of old age and debility. Not certified. Elizabeth Roberts present at death. Have. cert. Living with John & Elizabeth Roberts at PYF Dottie Lutz,Philadelphia, PA USA

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