Rhian of Blaenau Ffestiniog I am interested in the family of Owen Owen(s) (1759-1836) of Ty'n y Bryn Dolwyddelan, my great-great-great-great grandfather who married in 1793 Elizabeth Lloyd of Cefnfaes, parish of Maentwrog (1771-1848). They had 13 children - William (my ggg grandfather 1798-1879 and subsequently of Cae Iago, parish of Maentwrog), John, Edmund Lloyd, Elizabeth, Owen, David Lloyd (two of the same name), Gwen, Richard Lloyd, Margaret (two of the same name), Morris and Robert. Owen's parents were John Owens who died in 1800 and Gwen Williams (1737-1814) and I believe John's father to be Owen Jones. Owen Owens' siblings were Margaret (1763-?) and William (1766-69) and possibly Robert. In Elizabeth Lloyd's father's will it explains that he is not leaving anything to the eldest grandson, John, because he will inherit his father's estate (in Dolwyddelan) but I am not sure whether this happened or not. Gweithiau Gethin says that Owen Owens was the last heir to live at Ty'n y Bryn since his son sold the land after his death (Gethin describes this as one of only three farms independently owned in the period, the remainder being Gwydir estate). Gethin also says that Owen Owens gave /sold land to the Calvinistic Methodists and the Annibynwyr to build their early chapels. In 1841 Elizabeth, the widow of Owen Owens, and two of their younger children are living in Ty'n y Bryn, having in the years before divided their time between Dolwyddelan and Gellilydan (Maentwrog), I think (according to the baptism of the children anyway). By 1851 the family is no longer there, though another Owen(s) family is. I don't know what happened to John, though a recent message on the Meirionnydd list suggests (if the same person) that he may have died before 1835, ie before his father, though the Tithe Map of 1841 lists John Owen as landowner of Ty'n y Bryn and Mary Owen as occupier, so I'm not sure. It is described as 131 acres with a tithe value of 15 shillings (much less than the other farms). Neither do I know what happened to most of the other children. There is (or at least was) a letter written by Bob Owen Croesor earlier in the 20th century to a Miss Lloyd Williams of Trofarth, Nefyn, who I think was descended from one of the children of Owen Owens - it passed to the hands of someone more closely related to me but then seems to have disappeared after I transcribed it in the early 1980's. The letter is about the Lloyd line but mentions that Gwen Owen, one of the daughters of Owen Owens and Elizabeth, married William Hughes, Gartherys (or similar) Betws y Coed with their children being Gwen, David, Margaret, Catherine (who married Thomas Williams) and Josiah. Catherine and Thomas's children are Catherine and Elizabeth - I wonder if this is the line of the Miss Lloyd Williams? I'd like to know more about this line in Betws y Coed, about any of the other children and also anything about Ty'n y Bryn itself, which later had a quarry on the land. Also of course if anyone knows anything of the earlier history of the family. Unfortunately only some of my information is easily available in a database - the remainder could be searched for in my copious written notes if anyone responds to this. Rhian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhian Williams" <[email protected]> Subject: [CAE] Owen(s) of Ty'n Bryn, Dolwyddelan ...........The letter is about the Lloyd line but mentions that Gwen Owen, one of the daughters of Owen Owens and Elizabeth, married William Hughes, Gartherys (or similar) Betws y Coed. I think this should be 'Gartheryr'. Go to www.old-maps.co.uk and search for Betws-y-Coed; Gartheryr is south west of St Mary's Church and west of the Waterloo Hotel. Access (by foot) from behind the church The surrounding area was acquired by the Forestry Commission in the mid 1920s and Gartheryr was converted to a smallholding. The last tenant I remember, c. 1928/30 was an Idwal Hughes - a real character ! .........and also anything about Ty'n y Bryn itself, which later had a quarry on the land. For Ty'n Bryn search 'Old maps' for Dolwyddelan. The quarry was called 'Penllyn'; I don't know where this comes from as, so far as I know, there is no 'llyn' anywhere near the area. I expect Bill Jones can tell us ! All the best, Allen (Criccieth).

Thanks very much indeed. It's amazing how many things you realise have been left unsearched for when you bring details together like this, isn't it? I'll have to talk to Bill again about Ty'n y Bryn. Rhian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Powell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] Owen(s) of Ty'n Bryn, Dolwyddelan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rhian Williams" <[email protected]> > Subject: [CAE] Owen(s) of Ty'n Bryn, Dolwyddelan > > ...........The letter is about the Lloyd line but mentions that Gwen Owen, one of the daughters of Owen Owens and Elizabeth, married William Hughes, Gartherys (or similar) Betws y Coed. > I think this should be 'Gartheryr'. Go to www.old-maps.co.uk and search for Betws-y-Coed; Gartheryr is south west of St Mary's Church and west of the Waterloo Hotel. Access (by foot) from behind the church > The surrounding area was acquired by the Forestry Commission in the mid 1920s and Gartheryr was converted to a smallholding. The last tenant I remember, c. 1928/30 was an Idwal Hughes - a real character ! > > .........and also anything about Ty'n y Bryn itself, which later had a quarry on the land. > For Ty'n Bryn search 'Old maps' for Dolwyddelan. The quarry was called 'Penllyn'; I don't know where this comes from as, so far as I know, there is no 'llyn' anywhere near the area. I expect Bill Jones can tell us ! > All the best, > Allen (Criccieth). > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > [email protected] > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >