-----Original Message----- From: Carolyn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2004 3:55 p.m. To: [email protected] Subject: LIST CENSUS-WILLIAMS- LLANDUDNO Good morning Listers, As a new member of this list may I post my interest and say what a great idea a 'list census' is! I am Carolyn, married to Glyn Evan Williams, living in Auckland New Zealand. We have traced the Williams family back through London to Llandudno to Glyn's gt grandfather JOHN WILLIAMS born abt 1853. Fathers name from the marriage cert is given as DAVID WILLIAMS - occupation carpenter. But here we are stuck ! We have purchased two birth certs for John Williams both born in 1853 in Llandudno. One to Roger (occupation Joiner) and Jane (nee Jones) Williams. The other to William (occupation Farmer) and Mary (nee Williams!) Williams. We have also tracked John son of Roger thru the census and he is not our man! As there are so many births for John Williams in other years we are loath to order any more certificates and would welcome any help or local knowledge that may be available. We have looked at the films of the 1871 and 1861 census for Llandudno but no sign of a John with father David Williams. These are the known details of 'our' John Williams: JOHN WILLIAMS married HANNAH ISAACS at Marylebone London on the 18 May 1879 - his occupation given as Joiner. HANNAH ISAACS was born 10 Sept. 1854, Ilston. Her parents - HENRY and MARIA ISAACS occ. Master Cordwainer. From the 1881 census JOHN WILLIAMS gave his age as 27, occupation - House Carpenter, living in Marylebone. On the 1891 census he is age 37, occupation - Architect's Clerk, still living in Marylebone. 1901 census - age 48 occupation - Architects Clerk of Works, living in Hampstead. His date of death is unknown. John and Hannah had the following children all born in Marylebone: 1880 John Edgar 1882 Mary Olive 1885 William Henry 1888 PERCY ( EVAN?) Glyn's grandfather married FLORENCE EUNICE BOOME in 1910, London. 1891 Harold Howell 1892 Leonard David 1896 Stewart William 1900 Nellie Hannah We know nothing about the siblings of Percy born 1888, and again would welcome any help or information, both in Llandudno and London. Thank you for taking the time to read this. Carolyn in NZ.