Hi Cherie, I hope I can help from a geographical and historical point of view. You would be advised to check an atlas for the whereabouts of LLANIESTYN and LLANYMSTUMDWY. The former is approx. 1 1/2 miles from Sarnmellteyrn in Lleyn and the other is in Eifionydd, 2 miles from Criccieth, and they are many miles apart. The latter is renowned for having been the village where David Lloyd George was brought up at the home of his uncle, his father, a schoolmaster having died in Manchester, and leaving a widow and young children. There are other people far more knowledgable than I on the history of LLANNOR. The Rev. Harri Parri of Caernarfon for one and Mr J. Dilwyn Williams, lecturer in history at Bangor University, of Penygroes for another. I hope that you will eventually find what you are looking for. T Meirion Hughes Resident Historian, and Welsh Language Editor, Caernarfon Online, TMHughes@Cofis.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHERIE EVERETT" <cherie.everett@btopenworld.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR > Hi David, > Very many thanks. > On page 1 is Bodr(v)el Farm as you say, family is headed by Mary Anne > Evans, plus servants. Next door at Cefn - Mine is Susan Carnegy plus > family and servants. > On page 2 schedule 5 is a John Jones, aged 21 years, born Llanystumdwy, > he is a lodger on later census mine gives his place of birth as > Llaniestyn - do you think this is the same place? Schedule 10 also has > "Rhyllachuchaf" head of household John Pritchard, family and servants. My > John Jones gave his abode as "Rhyllachisaf" at the time of his marriage. > On page 6 I have found one of the witnesses to the marriage Lewis G > Lewis it is very exciting. > Thanks again. > Cherie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Railton" <david@railtond.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:10 PM > Subject: RE: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR > > >> Cherie, >> >> The only place name in Llannor in the 1861 census with any similarity is >> Bodrel Farm. This could be it. The occupants were Susan Carnegy, family >> and >> servants but no Syda (or Sydney or Sidney) Roberts. >> >> The reference is RG9/4330, folio 3, page 1 >> >> David >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CHERIE EVERETT [mailto:cherie.everett@btopenworld.com] >> Sent: 04 June 2006 12:27 >> To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR >> >> Hi Allen, >> Not yet, on ancestry you have to enter an individuals name it has no >> provision as far as I am aware to find a house. >> Regards >> Cherie >> >> >> >> >>> Have you tried Bodfel Hall ? >>> Allen (Criccieth). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. >> www.llgc.org.uk/ >> holi@llgc.org.uk >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors >> at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta >> rgetid=5429 >> >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Am drafod yr ach trwy'r Gymraeg? Ymunwch a GWREIDDIAU >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GWREIDDIAU.html >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwefan Cymdeithas Hanes Teuluoedd Gwynedd > Gwynedd Family History Society's Website > http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Meirion, You are quite correct of course I should find a relevant old map of the area. I have no idea of the welsh parishes and must admit that I become more confused as the spelling seems to change with each census. Now see that the John Jones I found cannot be mine. Thank you for your help. Cherie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meirion Hughes" <twmei@cofis.f9.co.uk> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR > Hi Cherie, > > I hope I can help from a geographical and historical point of view. > > You would be advised to check an atlas for the whereabouts of LLANIESTYN > and LLANYMSTUMDWY. The former is approx. 1 1/2 miles from Sarnmellteyrn in > Lleyn and the other is in Eifionydd, 2 miles from Criccieth, and they are > many miles apart. The latter is renowned for having been the village where > David Lloyd George was brought up at the home of his uncle, his father, a > schoolmaster having died in Manchester, and leaving a widow and young > children. > > There are other people far more knowledgable than I on the history of > LLANNOR. The Rev. Harri Parri of Caernarfon for one and Mr J. Dilwyn > Williams, lecturer in history at Bangor University, of Penygroes for > another. > > I hope that you will eventually find what you are looking for. > > T Meirion Hughes > Resident Historian, > and Welsh Language Editor, > Caernarfon Online, > TMHughes@Cofis.co.uk > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CHERIE EVERETT" <cherie.everett@btopenworld.com> > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR > > >> Hi David, >> Very many thanks. >> On page 1 is Bodr(v)el Farm as you say, family is headed by Mary Anne >> Evans, plus servants. Next door at Cefn - Mine is Susan Carnegy plus >> family and servants. >> On page 2 schedule 5 is a John Jones, aged 21 years, born >> Llanystumdwy, he is a lodger on later census mine gives his place of >> birth as Llaniestyn - do you think this is the same place? Schedule 10 >> also has "Rhyllachuchaf" head of household John Pritchard, family and >> servants. My John Jones gave his abode as "Rhyllachisaf" at the time of >> his marriage. >> On page 6 I have found one of the witnesses to the marriage Lewis G >> Lewis it is very exciting. >> Thanks again. >> Cherie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Railton" <david@railtond.freeserve.co.uk> >> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:10 PM >> Subject: RE: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR >> >> >>> Cherie, >>> >>> The only place name in Llannor in the 1861 census with any similarity is >>> Bodrel Farm. This could be it. The occupants were Susan Carnegy, family >>> and >>> servants but no Syda (or Sydney or Sidney) Roberts. >>> >>> The reference is RG9/4330, folio 3, page 1 >>> >>> David >>>