Jude, here as requested are the ancestors of David Owen Roberts His father John Roberts was born 1832 (or 1833) in Capel Curig (Cae Coedyn farm) His grandfather was Morris Roberts born 1793 Capel Curig, (lived Cae Coedyn) His grandmother was Margaret Issacs born 1804 Dolwyddelan His mother Elizabeth Roberts born 1835, Cwm Dyli, Beddgelert His grandfather was Rhys Roberts born 1799 Cwm Dyli His grandmother Catherine roberts born 1802 I'd be interested to hear if this makes any connection to what you know. Elsbeth