You pose several questions and I tried to answer some of them inside your text... To find the marriage of Robert Roberts and Margaret Evans (both common names) you must find the parish in which they at least had their first child, and start there. Once you have found the birth place you can order microfilm of the parish church(es) and scroll through them to find the birth(s) and then prior to the births a possible marriage...yes I would generally look abt 2 years beofre birth of fist child, it's a good rule of thumb...but could be anything from 5 years before to the year of the birth. The marriage occurs after 1837 which is post Civil Registration so it will be recorded. Have you checked the IGI ? If you are unfamiliar, pls go to _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) and start there, it's a free site. I have access to census 1851- 1901 if you would like any look ups. Can't find Robert & Mgt in 1851 yet...I'll keep looking... 1861: Tanrallt, Bryncroes, Caernarvonshire Robert, 34, Blacksmith b. Llanistyn, Caer Mgt, 36, b. Llanengan Catherine 10 (?) b. Llanistyn Evan 8 b. Llanistyn Samuel 6, b. Bryncroes Mgt 4 b. Bryncroes John 2 b. Bryncroes Robert 3 months b. Bryncroes __________________________________________________________________ Starting with Robert Roberts b. 1827, Bryncroes, Caernarvonshire, d. 1915 Dians,(maybe DINAS?) Lleyn (?) (YES..COREECT SPELLING), son of Samuel Roberts Married Margaret Evans, b. about 1825, died 23 May 1906 in Caernavonshire. Their first child (as far as I know) was Catherine, b. abt. 1851. I am assuming the marriage took place a year or two before that. (I WOULD ALSO ASSUJME THAT...RULE OF THUMB) Other children - Sam (b. abt. 1855), Margaret- 1857, John -1859, Robert - 1861, William - 1863, Hugh (my grandfather) -12 Nov 1864, Hannah - 1867, David - 1869, Evan Catherine married J. Williams. John came to the US in 1907, died here in 1917. Hugh married Jannet Griffiths, had 7 children and came to the US in 1905/06. Hannah was alive in 1950 I would like to find the marriage record of Robert Roberts and Margaret Evans. If Margaret followed the naming system with her children, her father was John and her mother Catherine. (CAN"T ASSUME THAT BUT CAN CHECK FOR SURE) SUSAN DAVIES Connecticut, USA