Elsbeth Many, many thanks for the info - i know that you have been seeking this line for a while. At present, I will be perfectly frank, in the fact that there is no apparent connection. I am clutching at straws. Patronymics played a major part in one line of family ancestry and I just thought - or that should be hoped - that there may be something. With these names I will go off and do some digging - but as always - I will not hold my breath. I did not mean to give false hope but sometimes you have to clutch at a straw and just sometimes you are lucky. Here's to clutching! Jude