Hywyn Many thanks for your helpful reply. The Heroes' Memorial Archway, at University of Wales Bangor is opened to the public very occasionally. Bangor Civic Society try to open it about two days a year, including one day on or near Armistice Day. The Upper Room is panelled in wood, and inscribed with the names of the 8000 men from north Wales who were killed in the Great War. They are listed under their home parish. All north Wales counties are included (including Montgomeryshire). David -----Original Message----- From: Hywyn [mailto:nywyh@172rd.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: 20 March 2006 15:39 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAE] Cofeb y Dewrion David Alwyn has some of the details on his bilungual site. Welsh link = http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~alwyn/C/Cofeb/index.htm Whilst we're on the subject can I ask you if you know when the memorial in the College 'gatehouse' is open to the public. I'm given to understand that it's once a year but cannot find any details. I'm also told it gives details of villages/communities other than Bangor. Is this right? Hywyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Price" <davidprice21@tiscali.co.uk> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:25 PM Subject: [CAE] Cofeb y Dewrion > Some time ago I saw on the List that W.J. Owen's book 'Cofeb y Dewrion/ > Heroes' Memorial' [a book with details of Bangor men killed in WW1] is now > on a website. I need to send details to a GFHS member living in Canada. > Does > anyone remember the website? > > Thanks, > > David Price, Bangor > > >

David Alwyn has some of the details on his bilungual site. Welsh link = http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~alwyn/C/Cofeb/index.htm Whilst we're on the subject can I ask you if you know when the memorial in the College 'gatehouse' is open to the public. I'm given to understand that it's once a year but cannot find any details. I'm also told it gives details of villages/communities other than Bangor. Is this right? Hywyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Price" <davidprice21@tiscali.co.uk> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:25 PM Subject: [CAE] Cofeb y Dewrion > Some time ago I saw on the List that W.J. Owen's book 'Cofeb y Dewrion/ > Heroes' Memorial' [a book with details of Bangor men killed in WW1] is now > on a website. I need to send details to a GFHS member living in Canada. > Does > anyone remember the website? > > Thanks, > > David Price, Bangor > > >

Some time ago I saw on the List that W.J. Owen's book 'Cofeb y Dewrion/ Heroes' Memorial' [a book with details of Bangor men killed in WW1] is now on a website. I need to send details to a GFHS member living in Canada. Does anyone remember the website? Thanks, David Price, Bangor

Thank you, Rhian, much appreciated. I hope that we might find out on the list anyhow at the appointed time! Yours, Ian >From: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D Digest V06 #77 >Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:00:37 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from lists8.rootsweb.com ([66.43.27.27]) by >bay0-mc10-f5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, >18 Mar 2006 21:02:44 -0800 >Received: (from slist@localhost)by lists8.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) id >k2J50bHb022047;Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:00:37 -0700 >X-Message-Info: vAu4ZEtdRigboIP3jLRLd/H3MxzFOHNoj7yRtjcbAGM= >X-Loop: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume06/77 >Precedence: list >Return-Path: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2006 05:02:44.0298 (UTC) >FILETIME=[5B7BEAA0:01C64B12] > >Content-Type: text/plain > >WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 77 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Merioneth Historical and Records S ["I Thompson" ><joscyn@hotmail.com>] > #2 Re: [CAE] Merioneth Historical and ["Rhian Williams" ><rhian.williams3@] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D, send a message to > > WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >To contact the WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D list administrator, send mail to >WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:10:19 +0000 >From: "I Thompson" <joscyn@hotmail.com> >To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com, WLS-GWYNEDD-D@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <BAY111-F36A5D1F3E60987AB80E20ECDE50@phx.gbl> >Subject: Merioneth Historical and Records Society >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Dear lists, >Does anyone know if indexes to this journal exist online as they do for the >Transactions of the Caernarvonshire Historical Society? >Yours, >Ian >London SW9 > >______________________________ >X-Message: #2 >Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:20:18 -0000 >From: "Rhian Williams" <rhian.williams3@tinyworld.co.uk> >To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <00c701c64aa7$eadb43f0$2a1411ac@145LL414AH> >Subject: Re: [CAE] Merioneth Historical and Records Society >Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >The Society has commissioned an index which has been completed by the >indexer and the Society is in the process of publishing, most probably on >CDRom. Don't hold your breath, though, it may take a few more months >according to past history! > >Rhian > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "I Thompson" <joscyn@hotmail.com> >To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 4:10 PM >Subject: [CAE] Merioneth Historical and Records Society > > > > Dear lists, > > Does anyone know if indexes to this journal exist online as they do for > > the Transactions of the Caernarvonshire Historical Society? > > Yours, > > Ian > > London SW9 > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml > > Bangor University Archives > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > >

The Society has commissioned an index which has been completed by the indexer and the Society is in the process of publishing, most probably on CDRom. Don't hold your breath, though, it may take a few more months according to past history! Rhian ----- Original Message ----- From: "I Thompson" <joscyn@hotmail.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: [CAE] Merioneth Historical and Records Society > Dear lists, > Does anyone know if indexes to this journal exist online as they do for > the Transactions of the Caernarvonshire Historical Society? > Yours, > Ian > London SW9 > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml > Bangor University Archives > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Dear lists, Does anyone know if indexes to this journal exist online as they do for the Transactions of the Caernarvonshire Historical Society? Yours, Ian London SW9

Hello Jennifer You requested some help re; I recently looked up some Dolwyddelan parish records and need some help. the first was a baptism which read: "February 6, (1801), John, son of Rich'd Jones, Llan, and Jane his wife" Llan is short or Tyn Llan where John and Gwen Jones lived they were the parents of Richard Jones. Regards Bill Jones

Hello Paul Your message concerning "Nant Gwythern" I think my spelling is wrong.. My mother was from Llithfaen and the wife of a cousin taught at 'The Nant" and I have visited there many times . In listening to conversation with these people it is my understanding that for a period from the late eighteen hundreds to the early nineteen hundreds no one but the Irish lived there and these were people who came to Wales to work the harvests and lived there during that time. I do not know when they stopped the quarrying there I am sure people lived there then. The Welsh language school was started at a later date.I do not know if this is of any value to you , perhaps. Best Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul pinder" <thepinders@tds.net> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] Thomas Pennant > Carol , > Thanks for the response. > My interest in Thomas Pennant is mainly in the fact that his tour in wales > is supposed to mention the farm Ty Canol in Nant Gwrtheryn , Pistyll , > Caernarvonshire and my family lived there in the early 1800's.I am > interested to know if there are any details of the family in the book. > I would be very grateful to you for the contact details (email if > possible) for the Pennant Group to see if they can provide me with an > extract from the book that mentions Ty Canol. > Thanks again for your offer of help > Best Regards > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol Cross" <cacrosswales@hotmail.com> > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:40 AM > Subject: [CAE] Thomas Pennant > > >> Dear Paul, >> There is a Pennant Group based in the Holywell area and if you want I can >> give you the address.There is 5 walks in the Holywell area which are >> footpaths that Thomas Pennant walked over 200 years ago. >> I too Im very interested in Thomas Pennant having lived in the area all >> my life and marrying in Whitford Church.I have research him myself andmy >> goal is to have a reprint/s of Moses Griffths paintings, he was the >> artist who travellede with him and did the illustations in his books. >> If you can you should read the article written by Dr R Paul Evans----Ive >> been to his lectures----excellent.He writes Thomas Pennant 1726-1798 The >> Father of Cambrian Tourists-----or the great man that Wales forgot? The >> article dated 1991 a limited facimile edition of Thomas Pennants A tour >> in Wales. >> Im willing to photocopy things I have here if its a help,please let me >> know and hope my message is of some help to you. >> Carol---Berthengam,Nr Holywell >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon >> This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and >> English are welcome >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > English are welcome > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

This is the new URL for Gwynedd Family History Society's Website http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ All the best Alwyn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/283 - Release Date: 16/03/2006

Carol , Thanks for the response. My interest in Thomas Pennant is mainly in the fact that his tour in wales is supposed to mention the farm Ty Canol in Nant Gwrtheryn , Pistyll , Caernarvonshire and my family lived there in the early 1800's.I am interested to know if there are any details of the family in the book. I would be very grateful to you for the contact details (email if possible) for the Pennant Group to see if they can provide me with an extract from the book that mentions Ty Canol. Thanks again for your offer of help Best Regards Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Cross" <cacrosswales@hotmail.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:40 AM Subject: [CAE] Thomas Pennant > Dear Paul, > There is a Pennant Group based in the Holywell area and if you want I can > give you the address.There is 5 walks in the Holywell area which are > footpaths that Thomas Pennant walked over 200 years ago. > I too Im very interested in Thomas Pennant having lived in the area all my > life and marrying in Whitford Church.I have research him myself andmy goal > is to have a reprint/s of Moses Griffths paintings, he was the artist who > travellede with him and did the illustations in his books. > If you can you should read the article written by Dr R Paul Evans----Ive > been to his lectures----excellent.He writes Thomas Pennant 1726-1798 The > Father of Cambrian Tourists-----or the great man that Wales forgot? The > article dated 1991 a limited facimile edition of Thomas Pennants A tour in > Wales. > Im willing to photocopy things I have here if its a help,please let me > know and hope my message is of some help to you. > Carol---Berthengam,Nr Holywell > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > English are welcome > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Thanks very much for the info - I will certainly look into this further to see if they can assist me. Unfortunately didn't see the Commonwealth Games - Not much coverage here in the states - I bet it must have been fantastic to see though. Thanks again Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <barbs@happyhowden.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] Pennants "Tours of Wales" > Hi Paul, there is a Pennants group (or society) based in Holywell. You > will be able to get their contact details from the office at Greenfield > Abbey/Farm. The little shop at the Abbey sells copies of Pennant's > Tours - leaflets showing Pennants walks around the area. > Regards, Barbara, Melbourne, Australia. > > Did you all see the Commonwealth Games Ceremony last night? I was there > with my brood cheering on the Welsh & Aussie teams - it was an amazing > atmosphere; incredible experience to be a part of! > > On Saturday, March 11, 2006, at 11:17 AM, Paul pinder wrote: > >> Hi, >> Does anyone out there know of or even have access to Pennants "Tours of >> Wales".Apparently the book mentions Nant Gwythern and in particular >> three farms - Ty Hen , Ty Canol and Ty Uchaf. >> I am interested to know what it says about Ty Canol as my Griffiths and >> Rowlands relatives lived at Ty Canol.There is also aparently a story >> about ELIS BACH a dwarf who lived at Ty Canol.I don't know if this >> character is mentioned in Pennants book too but I found out about both >> at the following site :- >> http://www.acen.co.uk/nant/history.shtml >> Anyone with any further info would be most welcome >> Thanks >> Paul >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon >> This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and >> English are welcome >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/ >> tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > holi@llgc.org.uk > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Hi Paul, there is a Pennants group (or society) based in Holywell. You will be able to get their contact details from the office at Greenfield Abbey/Farm. The little shop at the Abbey sells copies of Pennant's Tours - leaflets showing Pennants walks around the area. Regards, Barbara, Melbourne, Australia. Did you all see the Commonwealth Games Ceremony last night? I was there with my brood cheering on the Welsh & Aussie teams - it was an amazing atmosphere; incredible experience to be a part of! On Saturday, March 11, 2006, at 11:17 AM, Paul pinder wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone out there know of or even have access to Pennants "Tours > of Wales".Apparently the book mentions Nant Gwythern and in particular > three farms - Ty Hen , Ty Canol and Ty Uchaf. > I am interested to know what it says about Ty Canol as my Griffiths > and Rowlands relatives lived at Ty Canol.There is also aparently a > story about ELIS BACH a dwarf who lived at Ty Canol.I don't know if > this character is mentioned in Pennants book too but I found out about > both at the following site :- > http://www.acen.co.uk/nant/history.shtml > Anyone with any further info would be most welcome > Thanks > Paul > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > English are welcome > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. > Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/ > tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Dear Paul, There is a Pennant Group based in the Holywell area and if you want I can give you the address.There is 5 walks in the Holywell area which are footpaths that Thomas Pennant walked over 200 years ago. I too Im very interested in Thomas Pennant having lived in the area all my life and marrying in Whitford Church.I have research him myself andmy goal is to have a reprint/s of Moses Griffths paintings, he was the artist who travellede with him and did the illustations in his books. If you can you should read the article written by Dr R Paul Evans----Ive been to his lectures----excellent.He writes Thomas Pennant 1726-1798 The Father of Cambrian Tourists-----or the great man that Wales forgot? The article dated 1991 a limited facimile edition of Thomas Pennants A tour in Wales. Im willing to photocopy things I have here if its a help,please let me know and hope my message is of some help to you. Carol---Berthengam,Nr Holywell

Alwyn Have look at http://www.prosiectmenai.co.uk/ Under Menai Bridge they have a Your Questions section. Maybe they can help you? Hywyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alwyn Jones" <longacre28@tiscali.co.uk> >A relative of mine fell to his death whilst painting the Menai Suspension > Bridge. It happened I believe in the early part of last century. I know no > more than that. Someone out there may have some knowledge of it.

A relative of mine fell to his death whilst painting the Menai Suspension Bridge. It happened I believe in the early part of last century. I know no more than that. Someone out there may have some knowledge of it.

does anybody have the 1841 census for st george parish caernarfvonshire.could they look up this family. father richard/ wife amelia edward may be on the census. or does anybody have access to st georges parish records to look up baptim of edward roberts born 1840-1842. any help greatly appreciated. sue in sunny liverpool.

Dear Ian and List The url I got my info from has long since been "URL not found" most unfortunately. However, a collection of info can be gleaned from the usual well informed sources:- _www.cyndislist.com/names.htm_ (http://www.cyndislist.com/names.htm) _http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal_ (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal) These well known general sites will give hot links to pages, some with more in-depth detail than others, onto the naming system we all love. Regards Jude

Ian, I have this from one site. There are lots of sites. Just type "Welsh naming pattern" into your web engine and you'll get plenty of information sites. Arlene General Naming Pattern ... First son was named after the father's father. Second son was named after the mother's father. Third son was named after the father. Fourth son was named after the father's oldest brother. Fifth son was named after the father's 2nd oldest brother or mother's oldest brother. First daughter was named after the mother's mother. Second daughter was named after the father's mother. Third daughter was named after the mother. Fourth daughter was named after the mother's oldest sister. Fifth daughter is named after the mother's 2nd oldest sister or father's oldest sister. English and Welsh Naming Pattern ... First daughter was named after the mother's mother. Second daughter was named after the mother's father's mother. Third daughter was named after the mother. Fourth daughter was named after the mother's oldest sister. First son was named after the father's father. Second son was named after the mother's father. Third son was named after the father. Fourth son was named after the father's oldest brother. Irish Naming Pattern ... First son after father's father Second son after mother's father Third son after father Fourth son after father's oldest brother Fifth son after mother's oldest brother First daughter after mother's mother (or father's mother) Second daughter after father's mother (or mother's mother) Third daughter after mother Fourth daughter after mother's oldest sister Fifth daughter after father's oldest sister Scottish Naming Pattern ... First son was named after his father's father Second son was named after his mother's father Third son was named after his father First daughter was named for her mother's mother Second daughter was named for her father's mother Third daughter was named after her mother Other daughters were named after other family members > > Dear list, > I seem to remember there being a URL to which we can point new members > regarding patronymics and the old list debate about "Welsh naming > patterns" > about which we seem to have decided that patterns can't be relied upon but > do exist. > Could someone point the new members to any site with more information? > Ian > London SW9 > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_archive.pl > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > --

Dear list, I seem to remember there being a URL to which we can point new members regarding patronymics and the old list debate about "Welsh naming patterns" about which we seem to have decided that patterns can't be relied upon but do exist. Could someone point the new members to any site with more information? Ian London SW9

In a message dated 14/03/2006 08:14:58 GMT Standard Time, joscyn@hotmail.com writes: Dear list, I seem to remember there being a URL to which we can point new members regarding patronymics and the old list debate about "Welsh naming patterns" about which we seem to have decided that patterns can't be relied upon but do exist. Could someone point the new members to any site with more information? Ian London SW9 Hi, I have found a few interesting sites on this subject by going to Google (UK area) and entering:- Welsh Patronymics. Judith